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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Today's FA

• The surviving Scottish infantry surrendered either at Winwick church (pictured) or in nearby Warrington
• This construction seems to imply uncertainty but it shouldn't. Both the body and source say part of the infantry was captured/surrendered at the church and part surrendered after getting to Warrington. Suggest changing to surrended at Winwick church (pictured) and in nearby Warrington. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 01:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Having read the article (both the lead and the body), I agree that the suggested change removes ambiguity. @TFA coordinators: what do you think? Schwede66 01:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Gog's article so I defer to him. Sounds reasonable though Hameltion wrote "surrended" above where they meant "surrendered".--Wehwalt (talk) 12:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Headless priest

• ... that a headless priest is said to have cursed León Viejo with earthquakes?

User:Andrew Davidson believes this type of hooks is not a "definite fact", contradicting the requirements of WP:DYKHOOK (see that ongoing discussion), and should be pulled. Opinions on whether this hook should run are requested. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't remember the exact hook, but a similar one was considered acceptable recently because the subject in question is a myth. SL93 (talk) 16:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

It's a weasel. Who exactly says this?

As an example of how to do this properly, consider the similar article beheading game, which I started. When this appeared at DYK, the hook was

• ... that Laura Ashe believes the Gawain Poet used the beheading game to criticize the emptiness of chivalry?

This provides clear attribution to a specific authority and doesn't just recount the fiction/myth/legend in a credulous way. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Attribution has since been added to the article, and weasel has never applied to such hooks if it the article itself has attribution. SL93 (talk) 22:35, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added according to a local myth to the hook. BorgQueen (talk) 22:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Great, but it wasn't needed. SL93 (talk) 22:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@SL93 Whenever we feature beliefs that are unscientific, fringe, or possibly superstitious on Main Page, I think it's a good practice to make it clear that it's only a myth. BorgQueen (talk) 23:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

It's obvious though. It's not helping our readers because they aren't that stupid. SL93 (talk) 23:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

This is now on the main page with the following hook:

• ... that, according to a local myth, a headless priest cursed León Viejo with earthquakes?

This doesn't tell the full story and elements seem to be quite historical. Here's how another source explains it

In 1550, a crime shook León Viejo and, according to beliefs at the time, made it the subject of a curse. This event was the murder of Antonio Valdivieso, a Franciscan monk thought to have played a central role in bringing Christianity to the country. From then on, Leon Viejo fell into decline and suffered high inflation. In 1578, the eruption of the nearby Momotombo volcano drove away many of its citizens (at its peak it had around 15,000 inhabitants), followed in 1610 by a major earthquake which destroyed much of the city’s infrastructure, and the remaining inhabitants decided to relocate the city in a referendum.

So, it wasn't just earthquakes but a variety of disasters which followed the killing of the priest. Note that we have an article about the him – Antonio de Valdivieso – which says that he was the bishop, has a picture of his head and tells the story differently. The Spanish Wikipedia has an article about him which contains a lot more detail. It indicates that he was assassinated by stabbing and doesn't say that he was beheaded. He was buried and his remains have been exhumed so perhaps his head has been accounted for. And there's now a campaign to have him beatified. And there's more details about the "punishment of heaven":

Since its founding, the city had been growing and becoming more opulent, and since the great sacrilege committed by Contreras in killing its prelate, it began to feel the punishment of heaven with great plagues and disastrous deaths: women did not give birth to their children, and those that were born were not conceived; the neighbouring volcano gave off great thunder and roars […] having the Holy Sacrament taken out into the middle of the square, asking God for mercy and to postpone his just wrath, and to appease it they would leave that cursed place, where such a great murder and sacrilege had been committed, violently killing their prelate and pastor.

Andrew🐉(talk) 07:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Nice research, Andrew. The article certainly could use some of those details. BorgQueen (talk) 07:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure they fit well. The headless priest seems to be a generic trope but the article is written as if it's a specific spirit. The story of Valdivieso, León Viejo and the Momotombo volcano seems quite distinct and the headless aspect seems rather weak in that case. Another famous person who was actually decapitated in Leon Viejo was Cordoba but he was a conquistador, not a priest. I suppose their stories have been confused and conflated. Such creep is common in the case of myths and legends and this makes it difficult to present them as definite facts. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Late Bronze Age shipwreck

... that a shipwreck in the eastern Mediterranean, dating from the Late Bronze Age, is the earliest deep-sea shipwreck to be discovered?

Not an error per se, but an ambiguity. Is this wreck the oldest one found so far, or was it the first time a diver ever found a ship wreck?

I am easily confused, but I bet there may be others, too. Thank you. [Landlubber that I am, I forgots me tildes!] Wordreader (talk) 18:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid that the main author of the article, User:Owenglyndur, has been indefinitely blocked, so they can't help with that. BorgQueen (talk) 18:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I looked at this topic. The claim is that it's the earliest wreck to be found in such deep water. Note that it's so deep -- over 1 km -- that you can't reach it by diving and so the work has been done using remote-piloted submersibles. I'm not exactly sure what's ambiguous but perhaps saying "oldest" rather than "earliest" would help. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Next DYK

Cocoa smuggling

• ... that those found guilty of cocoa smuggling in Ghana face a sentence of five to ten years in prison?

Some might argue that this hook is not an "unlikely to change" fact, referring to laws that are easily remade. Opinions on whether this hook should run are requested. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Yue BorgQueen (talk) 10:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I see no issue. I have only ever seen Andrew Davidson make such comments. SL93 (talk) 14:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Ghanaian cocoa laws have been pretty consistent over the past few decades, but if it's an issue then I think adding "as of 2024" would be a fine remedy. "... that, as of 2024, those found guilty of cocoa smuggling in Ghana face a sentence of five to ten years in prison?" If one wants to be really picky with the source, they can add "in 2023" instead, but the law hasn't changed since. Yue🌙 19:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

There seems to be wider variation in the punishments. From the article, this case indicates that, while one person got a sentence of five years, the other was just fined. In another report, it says "Over the last four weeks, five persons have been sentenced to a total of 19 years imprisonment with hard labour, for their various roles in attempted smuggling of dried cocoa beans to neighbouring Togo." That's an average of less than four years each which doesn't fit what the hook says. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Yue ping. BorgQueen (talk) 02:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Lesser penalties are for attempted cocoa smuggling, as in the case of the teacher who got fined, or assisting in it. Regardless, if further contention is with the minimum penalty, then perhaps the solution is to take the original hook and adjust it like so: "... that (, as of 2024 / in 2023,) cocoa smuggling in Ghana carries (carried) a maximum sentence of ten years in prison?" Yue🌙 03:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done BorgQueen (talk) 03:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Víctimas del Vaciamiento

• "... that the thrash metal band Hermética received the gold certification for Víctimas del Vaciamiento on-stage during a concert?": the article doesn't say they actually received it on stage, rather that As the album was certified gold, they arranged to receive the award on-stage, during the concert. Therapyisgood (talk) 14:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I see no reason to think that it didn't happen. Pinging Cambalachero. SL93 (talk) 14:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't see which is the conflict. "Arranged", as in "they organized everything for this event to take place". Which obviously is not completely up to the band, and requires the executives that take part in it to go and do it at a time and place of the band's choosing, rather than whatever is usually done in those cases. The way I read it, both say the same thing, just the DYK hook is more compact about it. Cambalachero (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Next-but-one DYK

Jan Kryst

• ... that the terminally ill soldier Jan Kryst made a fatal assassination attempt on Gestapo members during the German occupation of Poland?

The wording "made a fatal assassination attempt on" is rather clumsy and confusing, why not simply say "assassinated"? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the point is that he died, not that he killed them. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't the wording be "a suicidal assassination attempt" in that case? ENEvery (talk) 12:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

It was more than an attempt as he killed several of them. It sounds quite cinematic, like a similar shootout in Inglourious Basterds. How about:

• ALT ... In revenge for the torture of Polish prisoners, the terminally-ill Jan Kryst walked into a restaurant and started shooting members of the Gestapo?

This creates some suspense as the reader will then want to know what happened next. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done BorgQueen (talk) 12:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. What makes it even more cinematic is that the location was the Café Adria which was so glamorous that it was often used as a movie location. I've now started an article about the place so please could you link to it in the hook:

ALT ... In revenge for the torture of Polish prisoners, the terminally-ill Jan Kryst walked into the Café Adria and started shooting members of the Gestapo? Andrew🐉(talk) 14:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done BorgQueen (talk) 15:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

It would perhaps have been best, before proposing more drastic changes to hooks than a simple trim, to ping those involved with the nomination as a simple courtesy (@Marcelus, Piotrus, and CSJJ104:). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

The hook is not live yet so it's all good. The Café Adria is coming along nicely but could probably use some help from Poles with a good command of the language and access to more sources. For an evocative video of the scene, please see Pre-war Warsaw in Colour. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

The final @Andrew Davidson proposition sounds very good. Marcelus (talk) 19:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Nature-positive

• ... that more than 90 world leaders have committed to nature-positive policies?

Some concerns have been raised with this hook at WT:DYK; opinions would be helpful. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done Reworded. BorgQueen (talk) 13:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(August 23)

Monday's FL

(August 19, today)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

Notice to administrators: When fixing POTD errors, please update the corresponding regular version (i.e. without "protected" in the page title) in addition to the Main Page version linked below.

Today's POTD

• The last definite known individual died on Discovery Island in Walt Disney World in 1987, and the species was declared extinct in 1990. – Of course, it should say "subspecies", not "species". --Jens Lallensack (talk) 09:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Oops, my fault -- you're completely right. Hopefully an admin will come along and fix the protected version soon. :Jay8g [V•T•E] 18:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

   Done – Schwede66 18:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Stephen removed the query, possibly in error, along with a query from Sca "Explanation for fairly recent-looking photo?" TSventon (talk) 18:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)