Talk:Pallywood
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2021-07 deletion of french language Wikipedia article
editA few weeks ago, a very pro-Israel wikipedian asked the deletion of the french language Wikipedia article fr:Pallywood. I guess that the motive is obvious. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 10:18, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 November 2023
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Please change "say" to "said" in the second line of Other Uses. HerPOV (talk) 12:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Done Thank you. Liu1126 (talk) 12:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Recent references of Pallywood for article update
editIf anyone is able to make updates of this article it'd be appreciated. There has been a lot of misinformation spreading on Twitter/X (as well as elsewhere) related to "Pallywood", since the recent 2023 Israel-Hamas conflict, and overall this article seems very outdated. Even if only by about a month or so and lacking further sources.
Here are some references, not sure what can be considered reliable or relevant, but it's what is currently available for this fast developing topic.
Notably ADL & Rolling Stone have labelled this as a conspiracy, which I see is currently touched upon briefly under Controversies and criticism but should probably be based in intro too in my opinion.
Recent fact checks related to Pallwood:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-crisis-actor-israel-hamas-war-false-movie-set-975355588351
https://fullfact.org/news/gaza-egypt-bodies-protest/
https://fullfact.org/online/halloween-costume-not-gaza-bodybag/
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-israel-hamas-gaza-crisis-actors-131062994735
Articles referencing "Pallywood" a as conspiracy theory:
https://www.logicallyfacts.com/en/analysis/pallywood-how-denial-of-civilian-harm-has-proliferated
https://thewire.in/world/fact-check-unedited-footage-debunks-israeli-propaganda-on-shrouded-corpse
Related to Saleh Aljafarawi aka "Mr Fafo", sometimes referenced to as "Mr Pallywood":
Overall it seems like it will be more widely accepted that Pallywood is indeed a conspiracy theory based on it's current usage, even if it's origins are based on some events from past usage. Even if it's too soon for that change until there are more sources available to confirm.
Can return with more sources when they arrive if welcomed. Thanks in advance. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:39, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, regarding the "Articles referencing "Pallywood" a as conspiracy theory", it's also referenced that way in the fact checks of Associated Press https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-crisis-actor-israel-hamas-war-false-movie-set-975355588351 and Snopes https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/film-crew-footage-gaza/ . --Casra (talk) 22:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are specific guidelines for Wikipedia:Conspiracy theory and Wikipedia:Conspiracy Theory Accusations
- But yeah, in general, it seems like this is definitely more a conspiracy theory than not (Maybe more like misinformation? I don't think the people who do this accusation actually believe in it). This article definitely seems to give too much credence to the idea that much of media coverage in Palestine is faked. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 17:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 November 2023
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Change “Needless to say, such episodes don’t instil an abiding trust in subsequent Palestinian claims, at least until they’re verified."[16]” to “Needless to say, such episodes don’t instil an abiding trust in subsequent Palestinian claims, at least until they’re verified."[16] Philip Weiss has echoed the concerns of others that use of the term amounts to “denial of war crimes”. [17] ”
Citation #17 for edit: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/an-americans-shattered-faith/
(Reasoning: The “Other Uses” portion of the page includes only conservative Jewish and/or Israeli voices around the use of the term “Pallywood” as well as a quote from Michelle Malkin, who is now widely considered as antisemitic by the community and has been dropped by organizations such as the Young Americans Foundation as a result. It would be valuable to neutrality to include the voice of a Jewish progressive perspective on this section. I have cited the article above, written in 2023 by Philip Weiss of Mondoweiss. Philip Weiss’ name should further be linked to his Wikipedia page when mentioned: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Weiss) 142.198.100.236 (talk) 21:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- I've removed this material. It was a largely self-published, with a further permanent dead link to a defunct organisation. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Mondoweiss
editIs Mondoweiss even a reliable source? Not sure why it's used on this article, when it's surrounded by constant acrimony... AnonMoos (talk) 09:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- usage of mondoweiss is fine. officially, mondoweiss' reliability is listed as "no consensus" (its in WP:RSP), and it's recommended that wikipedia editors attribute whatever statements they use, which this article has done. Elehnsherr (talk) 04:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, its reliability is now discussed here. Alaexis¿question? 07:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Removal of the last two sentences of lead
editThey clearly are not WP:NPOV and provide a lot more polarized claims in one direction without any criticism. They belong more in the historical section, and should also be placed in context with what others say. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 17:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to go ahead and remove those sentences. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 05:18, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Disinformation
editMy point was that if a source attributes a certain statement ("Pallywood is disinformation") then we cannot state it in wikivoice. We may include it with attribution if it's notable. Alaexis¿question? 20:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Staying unbiased.
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- What I think should be changed:
Change "to falsely accuse Palestinians for supposedly faking suffering", it is biased to say it's 100% false accusations and that there are not fake videos too.
- Why it should be changed:
To stay being ubiased...
- References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
https://gazawood.com https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/11/real-or-fake-verifying-video-evidence-israel-and-palestine https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-misinformation-about-israel-and-gaza-has-evolved-in-the-yearlong-war https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/11/14/video-not-proof-of-fake-palestinian-injuries-fact-check/71568997007/
89.130.90.206 (talk) 22:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- gazawood is not a reliable source.
- PBS and USAToday belong in Misinformation in the Israel–Hamas war article and do not mention pallywood directly.
- fourth story is suggesting that video "proving" pallywood faking injuries is actually misinfo being spread by pro-Israeli folks. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 20:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- i'll add that last source in.
- For future reference, unless you have a conflict of interest, use WP:EDITREQUEST. I cannot imagine how someone has a direct conflict of interest with pallywood. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 20:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
References
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 October 2024
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The term "pallywood" is neither derogatory nor a part of disinformation campaign.
The article stating so is in itself misinformation, and politically motivated.
What should be noted is that as part of asymetrical warfare, propaganda is a tool exploited most by terror organisations who engage in guerrilla warfare, and extreme propaganda promoting mainly anti-western, racist and fundamentalist ideology, along with intense victimhood as the justification for it. Practices used to promote victimhood within terror organisations include: extensive usage of human shields, usage of protected facilities such as hospitals, schools, and religious sites for militaristic purposes, falsly accusing the opposing forces of deliberately targeting protected sites and persons, and filming staged human catastrophies and gore to publish online - sometimes in advertisements seeking donations which eventually reach said terror organisations. KikoBit (talk) 12:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- declined. no source given. honestly just WP:FORUM Bluethricecreamman (talk) 13:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)