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===[[:Fermor (Russian nobility)]]===▼
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The result was '''delete'''__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Neither of the two Keep views successfully countered the deficiency in sourcing. [[User:OwenX|Owen×]] [[User talk:OwenX|<big>☎</big>]] 17:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
▲===[[:Fermor (Russian nobility)]]===
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*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Royalty and nobility|Royalty and nobility]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Russia|Russia]]. [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spiderone|<span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span>]]</sup> 20:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)</small>
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*'''Strong Keep''' Both named individuals of the Fermor family have high military ranks: William Fermor, General in Chief with the notable act of occupying Berlin plus Governor of Smolensk and Pavel Fermor, first principal of the Alexander Military Law Academy. William Fermor is referenced in the SSNE database of the University of St Andrews<ref>https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/ssne/item.php?id=3876</ref> as Commander in chief of Russian forces during the 7 year war. [[User:Axisstroke|Axisstroke]] ([[User talk:Axisstroke|talk]]) 09:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
**Notability of some persons has nothing to do with the notability of the family. [[WP:NOTINHERITED]] - [[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 15:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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**:::::::::::While the individual sources already give enough weight to its individual members of the family added relevant sources. [[User:Axisstroke|Axisstroke]] ([[User talk:Axisstroke|talk]]) 05:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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*Absent sources demonstrating notability for the family itself, this needs to be '''deleted'''. [[WP:NOTINHERITED]] goes both ways—a person does not become notable simply by belonging to a notable family, and likewise a family does not become notable simply by having notable members. [[User:TompaDompa|TompaDompa]] ([[User talk:TompaDompa|talk]]) 22:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
*:Not true and easily fixed from russian literature. [[User:Axisstroke|Axisstroke]] ([[User talk:Axisstroke|talk]]) 05:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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*:::The portraits contribute nothing towards notability. They do not illustrate many generations of family, it's just [[William Fermor]]'s children. Wikipedia entries also do not count since they are not considered [[WP:RS|reliable]]. Coat of arms is something to be discussed in the article, but notability is determined from textual material. [[User:Jähmefyysikko|Jähmefyysikko]] ([[User talk:Jähmefyysikko|talk]]) 06:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
*::::I understand that each Wikipedia has it's own rules. Nevertheless if the family would not have Russian and Ukranian entries that would point to a lack of notability. [[User:Axisstroke|Axisstroke]] ([[User talk:Axisstroke|talk]]) 08:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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