Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia

Russia articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 8 17 29 30 1 85 FL 2 4 6 2 14 FM 90 90 A 2 3 11 7 23 GA 28 39 117 227 2 413 B 218 294 508 727 221 1,968 C 351 610 1,199 2,752 722 5,634 Start 448 1,551 6,518 14,409 1 2,403 25,330 Stub 12 236 4,132 45,342 3 3,607 53,332 List 69 93 406 3,117 35 189 3,909 Category 21,130 21,130 Disambig 245 245 File 465 465 Portal 25 25 Project 140 140 Redirect 1 614 1,434 2,049 Template 4,263 4,263 NA 3 17 11 1 32 Other 1 125 126 Assessed 1,138 2,847 12,930 67,245 27,967 7,146 119,273 Unassessed 408 1,528 1,936 Total 1,138 2,847 12,930 67,653 27,967 8,674 121,209 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 475,607 Ω = 5.48

Category:Hero Cities of the Soviet Union has been nominated for discussion

Category:Hero Cities of the Soviet Union, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 6, 2016; 12:47 (UTC)

equal marriages Romanov Bagration .

When Princess Tatiana Konstantinovna , daughter of G-D Konstantine Konstantinovich, obtained the consent of her father to marry Konstantine Bagration and of course the blessing of HIM Nicholas II, she signed an official renouncement to their future children's rights, and that was BEFORE the abdication of the Romanov dynasty. So did her niece Ekaterina Ioannovna, princess of the Imperial Blood, in the late thirties, when she married Ruggero, marchese (in italian, or marquess, it means the same,) Farace di Villaforesta, for their children. Neither of these children : Nicoletta, Fiammetta and Ivan Farace ever considered themselves as heirs.... but Ivan, now marchese Farace di Villaforesta, is an active honorary member of the Family Association since his mother passed away in 2007. Like HM the King of Greece, Prince Michael of Kent, and other members of the Family, not necessarily of the Dynasty. If Konstantine was not equal to Tatiana Konstantinovna, Leonida was not equal to Vladimir Kirilovich.( Who was not a grand duke himself, according to the Laws, it was a "titre de courtoisie"...). This is simple and clear . Grand dukes, during the last years of the Empire, were only brothers, children and grand children of the Emperor. The sons of GD Konstantine Konstantinovich were born as grand dukes, but became princes when the Laws were modified, before the end or the monarchy. The last Emperor was GD Mikhail for a very short time, and all the grand dukes and grand duchesses are now dead, alas. Sources : myself, marchesa Farace di Villaforesta— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:cb11:192:3f00:cc03:3d6f:ac49:d639 (talk • contribs)

Antarctica

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Requested move at Talk:Soviet Empire#Requested move 26 April 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Soviet Empire#Requested move 26 April 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – MaterialWorks 16:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ivan III of Russia#Requested move 5 May 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ivan III of Russia#Requested move 5 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Favonian (talk) 09:06, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Rostov-on-Don

Good morning. The paragraph "Notable people" is organized and structured very badly, to the point that I would rather not change anything, because I could be wrong, since in some parts it is not understandable at all, and in all other parts almost nothing is understood. For example, it's not clear (due to the incorrect or lack of use of commas, to distinguish one known person from another) who is who (e.g., the name of a singer is present, but his genre (i.e. 'classical') is not specified; the singer in question is Yuri Bashmet; its genre is not "pop", but "classical" (within the subparagraph "Musicians, composers and singers")). Could someone take care of the paragraph I refer to and put it in order? Page: Rostov-on-Don. JackkBrown (talk) 22:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of larger indigenous peoples of Russia#Requested move 19 May 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of larger indigenous peoples of Russia#Requested move 19 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Russian-speaker needed

Hello, I need the help of someone who speaks Russian. Context at Talk:Cobasna ammunition depot#Four years. Does this source [1] say that the 1411th ammunition depot was in Voznesensk from July 1945 to May 1949, or that it took that timeframe to move it from Voznesensk to Cobasna and that we therefore don't know when was it first moved to Voznesensk? Super Ψ Dro 07:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

It literally says that the depot was being moved to Voznesensk from July 1945 to May 1949, and that the depot is now located in Cobasna. Ymblanter (talk) 07:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Would it then be accurate to say that the depot was located in Kungur on 28 July 1941–July 1945, in Voznesensk in July 1945–May 1949 and in Cobasna from May 1949 onwards? Super Ψ Dro 08:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Approximately yes. My understanding is that 1945 to 1949 was the transition period, when the depot was being moved. I do not think the source goes into more details. Ymblanter (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for your help. Super Ψ Dro 09:05, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Ruble vs rouble

There is a discussion at Talk:Ruble#"Rouble" - permissible or mandatory for BrE? that may interest members of this project.  Stepho  talk  11:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

My opinion is that "ruble" is specifically North American English and that unless an article is tagged "use American/Canadian English" then "rouble" is to be preferred as this is used in more forms of English than "ruble". Non-American sources almost universally use "rouble", such as the European Central Bank (and the English websites of all EU national central banks), Reuters, the Oxford English Dictionary, and Goznak. 92.21.251.88 (talk) 12:42, 31 May 2023 (UTC) Ban-evasion by Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheCurrencyGuy 74.73.224.126 (talk) 14:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Much of the support for "ruble" over "rouble" on Wikipedia outside of articles specifically written in North American English seems to be a result of regional bias and some degree of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. A certain editor who had something of an obsession with trying to force one of the spellings depended entirely on using American sources and cherrypicking minor uses elsewhere (which were usually direct quotes from a specific person or fringe sources of little overall importance). 92.9.7.4 (talk) 05:50, 3 June 2023 (UTC) Ban-evasion by Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheCurrencyGuy 74.73.224.126 (talk) 14:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Merger proposal

There is currently a discussion on whether to merge Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (Mensheviks) into Mensheviks underway here, for which input from members of the WikiProject would be very valuable. Felix QW (talk) 17:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Merging Genocide of the Ingrian Finns into Deportation of the Ingrian Finns

There is currently a discussion ongoing on whether to merge Genocide of the Ingrian Finns back into Deportation of the Ingrian Finns underway here, for which further input would be very valuable. Felix QW (talk) 18:08, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Using an image non-freely licensed on the Russian Wikipedia here?

As the title states, I was wondering if ru:Файл:Фонтан Урта-Булак 1963.jpg could be used on this Wikipedia? I am writing an article for the Urta-Bulak gas field and I feel like the image would serve as a useful illustration. I am unsure of how to navigate copyright surrounding images, so any help is appreciated. TIA. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 02:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

It is used on a WP:fair use basis in ru-wiki. To be on the safe side I would re-upload it to en-wiki as the fair use criteria may be different for different wikipedias. Alaexis_¿question? 12:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think so too. Do you think it is a good image, however? There are other examples on the Internet, but apparently it is from a documentary called "Extinguishing with a Nuclear Charge. 1074 Days of Burning", but, I cannot find the original. Keen to hear your thoughts. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 10:48, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Russia template parameters

Hello! I've been editing many WikiProject Russia templates at the talk pages of Russian city/town/village articles, and I have two questions. Firstly, does |humgeo=yes belong in every city article (e.g., Talk:Dve Viski)? And secondly, is it also acceptable to add the |imageneeded= parameter to articles that lack images? Thank you. Nythar (💬-🍀) 21:42, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Pinging Ezhiki and Slon02, who are active in this WikiProject. Nythar (💬-🍀) 13:32, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for working on these, Nythar! All cities (and populated places in general) are within scope of "human geography", so if you see a humgeo parameter missing, please add it. And also "yes" on the second question (although I'm not sure how many people are actively working on finding/adding images, but at least it'll be tagged). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 23, 2023; 13:36 (UTC) 13:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

AS-28

I've suggested that Russian deep submergence rescue vehicle AS-28 be split to Rescue of AS-28, as the majority of the article is about its rescue, so should exist as an accident article instead of a sub article. For the discussion, please see Talk:Russian deep submergence rescue vehicle AS-28 -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 23:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2022–2023 Dnieper campaign#Requested move 29 June 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2022–2023 Dnieper campaign#Requested move 29 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – MaterialWorks 09:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2022–2023 western Russia attacks#Requested move 24 June 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2022–2023 western Russia attacks#Requested move 24 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Sennecaster (Chat) 00:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Input requested

There is a discussion at the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities on July 14 about the "Age of majority and Russian monarchs". If you can contribute that would be great. Regards, --Thinker78 (talk) 23:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

"There are 5 streets."

This exact sentence shows up in a lot of Russian village/locality/selo articles, sometimes with a citation and sometimes not. I've been changing the "5" to "five" per MOS:NUM, got 36 today, and am beginning to doubt whether it's even true. Can anyone who reads Russian or knows about rural civic planning shed some light on the situation (or could someone who runs bots mass delete the string if it's a lie)? InedibleHulk (talk) 04:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I think that these articles were created automatically and just state the number of streets a given settlement has. It's not necessarily five, Plishki has only four, for example. Alaexis_¿question? 06:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

That's a relief. But even there, how does the autocreator know? Is there a database? InedibleHulk (talk) 07:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'm pretty sure you can download it yourself here https://fias.nalog.ru/Frontend. Alaexis_¿question? 09:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I won't, but thanks, good to know! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not even sure this is a fact worth including, referenced or not. The population count gives a far more accurate estimation of the rural locality's size than the number of streets (which can range from 1–2 houses to hundreds anyway).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 20, 2023; 14:03 (UTC) 14:03, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Translation check please

Hello, I'm working my way through List_of_people_with_bipolar_disorder to check that the referencing is suitable for all the people on the list. For a Russian rapper, Oxxxymiron, there is the following link - https://www.forbes.ru/forbeslife/445803-oksimiron-vypustil-mikstejp-so-starymi-trekami-smutnoe-vrema-vmesto-novogo-al-boma Google translate says there's nothing in that article about bipolar disorder but I know not to trust Google translate so I was wondering if anyone in your project would have the time to confirm whether the link says anything about bipolar? Red Fiona (talk) 23:54, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't but Oxxxymiron did say he suffers from it [2]. I don't know if it's enough for the inclusion in the list. Alaexis_¿question? 06:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for checking. I think what I'll do is replace the reference with the other one, and stick a better reference needed template next to it. Thank you again. Red Fiona (talk) 23:26, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested merge at Talk:Russian hussars#Merge proposal 1 April 2023

An editor has requested a merge at Talk:Russian hussars#Requested merge 1 April 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raulois (talk) 21:54, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Mikhail Fedorovich von Schultz rewrite

I have rewritten the article based on the information already present in said article, as such I need someone proficient in Russian to ensure that my rewrite is at least comparable to the source texts. If possible, also verify that said sources are reliable (some websites are only archived) and replace/remove those sources which are not.

Thank you/Спасибо! 123Writer ^talk 14:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Another discussion at Talk:Second Cold War

The matter of the {{globalize}} tag in the Second Cold War article is discussed. More inputs are welcome there. Link: Talk:Second Cold War#Remove "globalize" tag? George Ho (talk) 22:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

POV at Russia–Africa Summit 2023

This article reads like a (bad) translation of a Kremlin press release. I'm not very competent in this area, so I bring it here that knowledgeable editors can have a look. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 14:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, there are sentences like The second summit Russia-Africa is being challenging and critical one for Russia after several rounds of unilateral sanctions, multipolarity world, and new hegemony for equal treated partners happen rooted by west counterparts to support Russo-Ukrainian war since February 2022 ago. This summit has been received any challenges and obstacles doubled by several occasion provoked and insults by western countries, especially pressure towards the leaders of most African nations to reduce, anticipated, or ignored to attend this summit, especially from former western colonizer in African continent to ensure their grips in Africa, like US, UK, Finland, dan France. I'm also not going to be able to do much here, but someone certainly should at the least clean up the English. I'm not even entirely sure what those sentences are supposed to mean.--Ermenrich (talk) 15:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

I toned it down a bit, pls free to copyedit. Since the summit will apparently continue, more POV edits could be introduced, but I added the article to my watchlist. Ymblanter (talk) 15:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Timeline of Kaliningrad#Requested move 19 July 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Timeline of Kaliningrad#Requested move 19 July 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Maps to include in infobox of Russia

There is a discussion at Talk:Russia#Removal of maps about the inclusion of several maps in the infobox. Your input in the discussion is appreciated. Regards,--Thinker78 (talk) 02:37, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

The picture

No coat of arms found, why?

That's sort of odd there's no heraldic stuff or coat of arms (e.g. the two-headed bird) is used for "WikiProject RUSSIA" logo, unlike many other "WikiProject x" logos. Профессор кислых щей (talk) 13:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

If you want to try your hand at designing a new, better logo, by all means go for it :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 1, 2023; 16:05 (UTC) 16:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Russian Empire subdivisions' translations

​​​For the subdivisions of the Russian Empire, I suggest using an {{efn}} note for multiple translations; or if there's only a Russian translation, to put it simply in parenthesis. In regards to the Russian translation itself, since the subdivisions would be mentioned in Russian literature and texts printed prior to the orthographic reform in 1917–18, we should include the pre-reform orthography alongside the modern Russian translation in the note, but use modern Russian everywhere else in the article including in the infobox. For example, here are the Brestsky uezd's translations which contain a Russian and Belarusian translation inside an {{efn}} note:

Code:

{{efn|{{bulletedlist|{{lang-ru|Брестский уезд}}, {{lang-ru|label=<small>[[pre-reform orthography]]</small>|Брестскій уѣздъ}}|{{lang-be|Брэсцкі павет}}}}}}

Appears in the note as:

• Russian: Брестский уезд, pre-reform orthography: Брестскій уѣздъ
• Belarusian: Брэсцкі павет

However, where the modern and pre-reform Russian spellings are identical, there shant be a need to add the latter template – for example, see the translation in Dagestan Oblast. Also, needless to say, the Russian romanisation should be done in accordance with WP:RUS (redundant if the article title is the romanised Russian translation). Moreover, there is a consensus against using stress marks, at least in this niche area. Let me know if you have any thoughts/suggestions. Best, – Olympian ^loquere 08:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I am fine with this, and I do not think the stress marks are needed, though users would add them anyway. Ymblanter (talk) 08:56, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Ymblanter, I vaguely recall some weeks ago stumbling upon a discussion wherein users were trying to form a consensus against using stress marks / pronunciation diacritics for Russian translations, are you aware of it? Best, – Olympian ^loquere 12:02, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I remember about as much, and I think there was no consensus, but I do not remember where it was. WT:MOS? Ymblanter (talk) 12:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Found it: the outcome of the RfC was "there is a discernible consensus to generally omit stress marks" and "[the RFC proposal] re-iterates existing policies like WP:COMMONNAME and MOS:DIACRITICS. This discussion establishes that stress marks in Cyrillic should be used in accordance with those policies, that is, only where the best-quality English language sources demonstrate that their use is generally accepted as a best practice." I haven't seen any sources using stress marks for the uezd translations so I don't see why they should be included in this case. – Olympian ^loquere 12:38, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you, my point is that users who are unaware of this consensus (and some would not even care about consensus) would add stress marks, and a few people who try top impose consensus would have to watch all these articles. Ymblanter (talk) 12:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Olympian, thank you for pointing out that RfC; I totally missed, having been on an extended wikibreak and all. I do think much of the reasoning in support of the removal of stress marks, at least from the Russian translation of the article's title, was based on a rather silly premise (stress marks in Cyrillic should be used... only where the best-quality English language sources demonstrate that their use is generally accepted as a best practice, seriously? Is there one English-language source in existence, outside of the realm of language study, where this is the case?) Plus, anyone trying to learn how to read Cyrillic will learn about stress marks pretty much on that same day, but pretending that everyone can parse IPA or learn it in a jiffy is a rather bold assumption. I'd be all for revisiting this; the RfC made some valid points, but the overall outcome is just too drastic.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 3, 2023; 19:03 (UTC) 19:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

That looks pretty good.

Should we not list the appropriate languages in alphabetical order? Belarusian-Estonian-Kazakh-Russian-Ukrainian-Uzbek, etcetera.

Should the use of efn be mandated? Why not normally list one or two languages in the lead, as is usual, and only bury the additional obsolete spelling in a note? Obviously there may be exceptions where an article has a “Name” section, too.  —Michael Z. 14:37, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I'd be OK with using alpha order all else being equal. But Russian should come first simply because the units being discussed were a part of the Russian Empire, and the local language(s) should come next (except, obviously, for cases where a unit has been inherited from the Russian Empire but continued to exist in the successor entity). Everything else that's relevant for other reasons can be alphabetical no problem.

Pre-reform spelling should definitely be included (if only because so many good sources are pre-1917). If having it in the lede is too visually straining, it can always be made into a footnote annotating the modern spelling; I have no problem with that.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 3, 2023; 19:03 (UTC) 19:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

The national languages should come first, simply because the Russian empire was a foreign empire.  —Michael Z. 05:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Russian should come first simply because it was the language that was forced upon national populations and, as a result, the language in which the majority of the sources will be in. Putting national languages first, albeit a minor decision, is a step towards whitewashing history. You can't have it both ways!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 4, 2023; 13:44 (UTC) 13:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. I definitely think the {{efn}} template is useful for listing multiple translations without cluttering the lead, it's done well in Crimea, for example. In regards to the order of translations, I think the official (Russian) translation first should come first followed by the translations of prevalent linguistic groups. Exceptions can be made for more detailed such articles with "Name" sections, though this is unlikely to be the case for the majority of these articles. – Olympian ^loquere 22:59, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

“Prevalent linguistic groups” sounds like some kind of infection. They’re actually the nations.

”official (Russian) translation” — what?  —Michael Z. 05:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)