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:::::::It's hardly an aspersion when A) You asked at [[WP:NPOV/N]] recently about deleting all mentions of mass shootings from the page, I can provide the diff if you've forgotten, and B) I didn't even mention you by name. [[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 12:53, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=863248241 Here you go...] Not an aspersion when it's a statement of fact.[[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 12:57, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Surely even you are aware what you liked to shows no such support for your claim of '''"I don't think at least one other editor are going to be satisfied with anything less than the complete excision of mass shootings from the article,"''' and '''"You asked at WP:NPOV/N recently about deleting all mentions of mass shootings from the page, I can provide the diff if you've forgotten,"''' by not showing support of the aspersions, it is clear your actions are just civility restriction of uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith.-[[User:72bikers|72bikers]] ([[User talk:72bikers|talk]]) 19:52, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::: We are rather close to a compromise, it seems to me. We've more or less converged on a footnote, although we might want to edit it depending on what happens with the main text. Also there is no dispute over five of the ten mass shootings. The only issue is that RSs differ on whether to consider the MCX an AR-style rifle. So, one option would be to change the text to read something like "...used in six (or five, depending on whether the rifle used in the Pulse shooting is considered AR-15 style [footnote with citations]) of the..." or something along those lines. [[User:Springee|Springee]], what do you think of that? <small>'''<span style="color:Olive">Waleswatcher</span>''' [[User_talk:Waleswatcher#top|''(<span style="color:green">talk</span>)'']]</small> 12:49, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::I see the compromise you are trying to make but it doesn't really address the reason why people have been unhappy with this from the word go and looks like a way to backdoor the Pulse shooting into this article. The proposed edit adds too much to the text into the article. Think about what this statement's purpose should be in context of the article text. It's purpose is to say "Wikipedia is talking about this because...". Adding the additional material in the text just muddles things. The purpose of that section isn't to focus on the 5 vs 6 nor even produce a list of which specific shootings used the rifle. Instead it's to hit on the controversy around the rifle due to it's use in mass shootings. To that end I'm really not sure we need to even include the list of specific shootings. The five could be linked via the also see. But I think enough people would be unhappy to see that list removed from the primary text so I'm not going to push for that change. At the end of the day we have RS's speaking specifically to the question "is the MCX and AR-15" that say no. We don't have RSs that specifically say the MCX is an AR-15. Instead we only have RSs that just followed previous incorrect reports and repeated claims without addressing the question. It's also worth noting that SIG makes an AR-15 based rifle, the [[SIG Sauer SIG516]] and the [[SIG_Sauer_SIGM400]]. Those would fall under the scope of this article. Conversely, the MCX was developed from the MPX which was a replacement for the MP5. Anyway, I'm not OK with adding the controversy into the text itself. I think following the mass shooting article's text is a decent compromise. Conversely, let's keep the stated number at 5 since we only have 5 that are without question correct.
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