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Talk:Attempted assassination of Donald Trump

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Latest comment: 1 month ago by Javert2113 in topic Requested move 13 July 2024

Was he shot?

I've seen conflicting reports as to whether he was actually shot. Benpiano800 (talk) 22:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sky News claims there was blood coming out of his ear, which would imply the bullet hit him. Luunarr (talk) 22:43, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Could also be injury from the Secret Service agents jumping on top of him. Mårtensås (talk) 22:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
He reached for his ear right after you here the first shot and before the secret service run to him 129.13.192.39 (talk) 22:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
So far none of the sources seem to clearly say that he was shot. Will become clearer once we know more. Gust Justice (talk) 22:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
cnn reported he was injured
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/13/politics/trump-injured-pennsylvania-rally/index.html CViB (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
because they saw him bleeding. if that was from the shot or something else is unknown. the SS hasn't confirmed anything besides the fact that he's safe Problem$0lved (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
It appears that he was shot: https://x.com/MerylKornfield/status/1812263916497506711 NorthropChicken (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Title

"Shooting" might be taken to imply that the attack was fatal. I propose moving to "2024 Donald Trump assassination attempt". Mårtensås (talk) 22:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

But we do not know yet if it was an actuall assasination attempt? Tinkaer1991 (talk) 22:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
If/when it comes out that it was an assassination attempt (i doubt it wont), we should just call it Donald Trump assassination attempt. In the meantime, we should call it smthn like "Donald Trump PA rally incident/shooting"Nojus R (talk) 22:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes i agree. Tinkaer1991 (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agreed, but I am not even sure "shooting" is appropriate at this point: none of the reliable sources state that unequivocally. Dumuzid (talk) 22:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree in principle but the current title "2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally" is a bit awkward. Pickle Mon (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I surely agree, maybe "incident" would be more appropriate Tinkaer1991 (talk) 23:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Atleast until we have more information about the plot behind Tinkaer1991 (talk) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's the indefinite article I was talking about Pickle Mon (talk) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
i mean getting shot at is by definition an "Assassination's attempt" especially when you're a high stake politician
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/13/politics/trump-injured-pennsylvania-rally/index.html CViB (talk) 23:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
We don't know the alledged assassin's intentions, and therefore cannot yet rule it to be an assassination attempt. Tinkaer1991 (talk) 23:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
As of right now, the page title should stay as is, but I agree that the name could be changed to something more informational. Silaaaaaa (talk) 23:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
"Shooting" could also imply that it was a mass shooting so I think your title is better, though I do also think we should wait before moving in case it's labeled something else. Articles about mass shootings simply say "shooting" in their title. As it stands I believe both CNN and Fox report that there were multiple shots fired but only Donald Trump and one bystander are confirmed to be struck but both still alive and receiving urgent care. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. LegendoftheGoldenAges85 of the  East  (talk | worse talk) 23:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Rename

I think Attempted assassination of Donald Trump would be a better title, per example of Attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. There's no reason why 2024 should be specified in this specific situation since it was the first to happen. Luunarr (talk) 22:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

agreed 24.115.255.37 (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
If and when the sources tell us it was unequivocally an assassination attempt, I agree. Dumuzid (talk) 22:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Unkown at this time if it was an attemted assasination. Give it a bit CitrusHemlock 23:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Given reporting on his injury, as well as precedent for former presidents where an attempt was made made(See: Attempted assassination of Theodore Roosevelt), the move to attempted assassination is appropriate. Foreheadman (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agreed also. Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agreed 2605:8D80:5C0:E1D2:63CD:9DDB:B0CC:6683 (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Article already being heavily vandalized

We need admin-protected, its been 10 minutes and we've already seen like 2 different attempts at vandalism Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 22:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Autoconfirmed protection would do it in my opinion, it's mainly IP editors doing the vandalism. Not a single user account as far as I've seen. Luunarr (talk) 22:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
What we needed was for this article not to be created yet, because as yet no-one knows what's going on. Instead of which we have a thousand would-be citizen reports who saw something on the TV or the internet and jumped to conclusions. But yeah, protection for this and related articles is a priority. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Completely agree with this. Dumuzid (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please let's not turn the article into a reaction farm

I think we should only include reactions if they're notable. Random expressions of sympathy will unnecessarily bloat the Reactions section. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

As per usual, I think it's worthwhile to have Biden and Shapiro's reactions. Other reactions can be added if they prove to be meaningful (i.e. if a politician starts a conspiracy that gets popular) Ornov Ganguly (talk) 23:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Absolutely agree. Keep to congressional leadership, world leaders, and Shapiro (and white house assuming they respond). Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 23:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agreed, I came here to say the same thing. This happens all the time with shooting articles. They get bloated with reactions from every Tom, Dick and Harry. Isaidnoway (talk) 23:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Would it be best to remove the section on X users too? I feel like it's a bit redundant and way too vague of a statement, all things considered. Anjellies (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Business people and fan/supporter reactions are not needed. SimplyLouis27 (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Let's bar new additions besides Joe Biden, Ruben Gallego, Gretchen Whitmer, and Josh Shapiro. We can discuss other people here. I am removing Elon Musk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oganguly (talkcontribs) 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree with this analysis. I think political leaders from the area and in the relevant federal arena may be appropriate. A random businessperson of any persuasion is inappropriate. Zkidwiki (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Musk is the world’s wealthiest man; hardly random. Mårtensås (talk) 23:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Elon Musk was added back, but we can discuss here whether to keep it. I also believe Gallego might be unnessisary. He's just a random member from Arizona and I anticipate many, many members of congress on both sides of the aisle addressing this. And Governors will too, so to that extent I don't know if Whitmer's needed. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 23:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Musk is unnecessary unless he mobilises something major in support of Trump. As it stands, he just sent a Tweet. NYT reporting does not lend it newsworthiness because they're slapping everything on a live feed right now. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 13 July 2024

2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally2024 assassination attempt of Donald Trump – High usage of the term attempted assassination. Prior to administrator protection, this was the article title and an administrator, without discussion, moved it to the current name. Sources: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC) The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm not going to go with any "wait" ideas, given an administrator moved it away from that title with 0 discussion. It was the title prior to administrator protection, and a single person determined the current name. Nah, a discussion needs to happen. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@SimplyLouis27: WP:VNT. Do you have proof/sources that it was not confirmed or is not the common term? I listed 8 sources above using it. Sorry, but SNOWCLOSE isn't a valid thing for this, with a "not confirmed" reasoning because Wikipedia doesn't care about what is or isn't confirmed. Only what is verifiable, which "attempted assassination" is as presented above. If you wish to oppose, you can, but please provide a valid oppose reasoning via Wikipedia's policy. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
WP:RS SimplyLouis27 (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose for now, let's wait until there is a general consensus in reliable sources. There is no deadline. Isaidnoway (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose and wait, we still do not know the motive of the perpetrator(s), It's possible it was not the goal to harm Trump but simply shoot at the rally. There is more information we should wait for. I believe we can move when it is confirmed an assassination was the goal. Bigfatman8766 (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Note: WikiProject Current events, WikiProject Politics, WikiProject Donald Trump, WikiProject United States, WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, WikiProject Pennsylvania, and WikiProject United States History have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Rename article as attempted assassination (or something of the like)?

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Title. The attack type on the article is already listed as "attempted assassination<' and turmp was clearly shot, so? CavDan24 (talk) 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

See #Requested move 13 July 2024. SimplyLouis27 (talk) 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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The current title is not good

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It is informal it should be titled as an incident, it was not fatal just injurious, Ayunipear (talk) 23:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ayunipear: feel free to join the discussion above! ObserveOwl (chit-chatmy doings) 23:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Rename as 2024 Incident at Donald Trump Rally

Maybe rename this as Rename as 2024 Incident at Donald Trump Rally Cwater1 (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think a title like that would be a little to vague. It's pretty much confirmed at this point it was a shooting. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 23:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
What about 2024 Shooting at Donald Trump Rally? HistoryFanOfItAll1999 (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support moving to 2024 Donald Trump Pennsylvania rally incident. It would be consistent with 2016 Donald Trump Las Vegas rally incident. Surachit (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sure any shots were actually fired there though. Were shots fired? Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 23:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose, too vague, also move this to the move discussion

suggestion

perhaps change the title to assassination attempt on donald trump if the news finds that it was an attempt or not 2806:265:5480:5BD:19BD:7FEA:C29D:8584 (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2024_shooting_at_a_Donald_Trump_rally#Requested_move_13_July_2024 Luunarr (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
See above discussion. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 23:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree, this definitely seems like a assassination attempt BigRed606 (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think so too. HistoryFanOfItAll1999 (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Number of victims

Currently there's no source on the number of victims (other than Donald Trump), despite it saying that there are two victims (one of which being Donald) and one death PikaCookies (talk) 23:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply