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Change:
"Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, is known for its fickle disposition: a hitter's park when the strong winds off Lake Michigan are blowing out, it becomes more of a pitcher's park when they are blowing in.[133]"
to:
"Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, is known for its fickle disposition: a hitter's park when the winds are blowing out, it becomes more of a pitcher's park when the winds off Lake Michigan are blowing in."
This would then be in agreement with the currently cited source which states "There is the pitcher's park version that occurs when the wind is blowing in off Lake Michigan. / And there is the hitter's haven that happens when the wind blows out." The winds blowing out are not off Lake Michigan.
Stevethk Stevethk (talk) 00:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Done, but altered slightly to make a bit more sense.
Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, is known for its fickle disposition: a pitcher's park when the strong winds off Lake Michigan are blowing in, it becomes more of a hitter's park when they are blowing out.
Skipple ☎ 00:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Origins
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Level 5 vital baseball biographies
Taking a look today at Wikipedia's choice of 55 vital baseball biographies. See here. It struck me that there are some notable exclusions and questionable inclusions. Before proposing any changes, I'd be interested in feedback. Here are some candidates:
Notable exclusions
| Name | Career WAR[1] | SABR 100[2] | Bill James[3] |
TSN 100[4] | ESPN 100[5] |
Athletic[6] | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Eddie Collins | 13 | 49 | 18 | 24 | 82 | 29 | All-time MLB leader in sacrifice hits and assists at 2B; 10th all time in WAR among position players |
| Frank Robinson | 23 | 24 | 24 | 22 | 19 | 20 | Only player to be MVP in both AL (1966) and NL (1961); first black manager in MLB |
| Mike Schmidt | 25 | 16 | 21 | 28 | 18 | 20 | 3x NL MVP, 10x Gold Glove, 8x NL HR leader |
| Lefty Grove | 25 | 33 | 19 | 23 | 54 | 22 | Ranks 6th all time in WAR for pitchers; 2x Triple Crown, 9x AL ERA leader, 7x AL strikeout leader |
| Albert Pujols | 29 | na | na | na | 30 | 23 | 3x NL MVP; ranks second in MLB history in RBIs (2,217), total bases (6,211), and intentional walks (316), and fourth in home runs (703) |
| Joe Morgan | 31 | 37 | 15 | 60 | 37 | 21 | 2x NL MVP, Bill James ranked him the greatest 2B of all time; ranks 5th in MLB history in walks and 11th in stolen bases |
| Johnny Bench | 83 | 19 | 44 | 16 | 29 | 30 | 2x NL MVP, 10x Gold Glove |
| Oscar Charleston | 341 | NR | 4 | 67 | 53 | 5 | Arguably the greatest player from the Negro leagues; .364 batting average ranks No. 2 all time, trailing only Ty Cobb; Bill James ranks him as the No. 4 baseball player of all time -- ahead of Cobb |
| Turkey Stearnes | 324 | 25 | Ranks 5th in MLB history with a .616 career slugging percentage and 7th with a .348 career batting average; 7× Negro NL HR leader |
Questionable inclusions
| Name | Career WAR | SABR 100 | Bill James |
TSN 100 | ESPN 100 |
Athletic | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jean Faut | na | na | na | na | na | na | One of four women included; doubtful in my mind that all four should be included, though I admittedly am not particularly knowledge about women's baseball |
| Dorothy Kamenshek | na | na | na | na | na | na | See comments above re Faut |
| Sophie Kurys | na | na | na | na | na | na | See comments above re Faut |
| Jackie Mitchell | na | na | na | na | na | na | See comments above re Faut |
| Hideo Nomo | NR | na | NR | na | NR | NR | Notable for opening door to MLB for Japanese players, but we have more deserving Japanese players already on the list in Sadaharu Oh and Ichiro Suzuki; questionable as one of the 55 most important players |
| Shohei Ohtani | 836 | na | NR | na | NR | NR | Notable as a two-way player (pitcher and batter) and 2021 AL MVP, but questionable as one of 55 most important players of all time |
| Roger Maris | 593 | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | Two great seasons in 1960 and 1961 but clearly not one of the 55 most important players of all-time; benefits from Yankees bias on the list |
| Yogi Berra | 195 | 26 | 41 | 40 | 39 | 43 | Beloved catcher for great Yankees teams but barely makes the top 200 in WAR; benefits from pro-Yankees bias |
| Shoeless Joe Jackson | 167 | 52 | 66 | 35 | 89 | NR | Heightened notoriety from Black Sox scandal |
| Ed Walsh | 136 | 85 | NR | 82 | NR | NR | Had three great seasons (including a record 60-win season), but doesn't rank in top 55 according to anyone |
| Charles Radbourn | 80 | NR | NR | NR | NR | NR | Doesn't seem to fit in top 55 of all time in any category |
| Cap Anson | 39 | NR | NR | NR | 76 | NR | 39th all-time in WAR is solid, but not ranked in top 100 by SABR, Bill James, or TSN |
Thoughts? Cbl62 (talk) 04:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC) Cbl62 (talk) 04:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC)