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: 1st issue: "Hamas-run Health ministry" is typically used in pro-Israeli sources to de-legitimise the reliability of what are traditionally seen as reliable statistics by NGOs and the United Nations in relation to historic Palestinian deaths. Similarly, we do not typically cite the organisation in control when considering deaths in other conflicts. You would not say the "Conservative-run Ministry of Health said x civilians died" in relation to the Falklands War. Yes, Hamas is an abhorrent organisation but it is very loaded language to use on a [[WP:NPOV]] article. This similar logic can be used against the "Like in all wars, " argument too. I see an overarching consensus did not seem to be reached in the previous discussion on this either. Would like more opinions on this from others. [[User:Ecpiandy|Ecpiandy]] ([[User talk:Ecpiandy|talk]]) 01:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
:: While pro-Israeli sources do use that language, and pro-Palestinian sources do not, it is widely used by less partisan sources, such as [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyx0qdkn45eo the BBC], [https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/07/israel-says-targeted-hamas-military-chief-gaza-ministry-reports-dozens-dead al Monitor], [https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/07/13/hamas-run-health-ministry-says-over-71-killed-in-israeli-strike_6683111_4.html Le Monde], [https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240713-israeli-strike-on-gaza-safe-zone-kills-more-than-70-officials-say France24], [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-13/ty-article-live/israeli-army-carries-out-strikes-against-hezbollah-targets-in-southern-lebanon/00000190-a99f-d7ee-af9c-ff9f1d1d0000 Haaretz], [https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-dozens-killed-in-strikes-on-gaza-as-reports-say-israel-targeted-mastermind-behind-7-october-attack-13177392 Sky News], [https://www.wionews.com/world/idf-airstrike-kills-hamas-khan-younis-commander-wounds-military-chief-71-palestinians-killed-289-injured-740518 WION], [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-13/dozens-killed-in-israeli-attempt-to-take-down-top-hamas-leader-chief Bloomberg], [https://www.arabnews.com/node/2549066/amp Arab News], and many others.
:: Why the sources do this isn't relevant to us, but I believe it's because its not self-evident that the Health Ministry is controlled by Hamas, while in other conflicts it usually is self-evident that, for example, the British Ministry of Health is controlled by the British government. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 01:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
:In terms of the other issues, I will come back to it later when I have more time. [[User:Ecpiandy|Ecpiandy]] ([[User talk:Ecpiandy|talk]]) 01:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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