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Spelling in DYK

In the did you know item about the Croÿ family, "millenium" should be "millennium". -- Graham talk 10:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, the F in Federal should probably be in lower case. And there should probably be a comma between Lord Denning and MR. --199.71.174.100 11:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

And the link for cardinal points to a disambig page rather than the intendend reference, and I suspect "biggest" should be "largest" here. All in all, pretty amatuerish; perhaps people charged with main page updates need a peer-copyediting system. Jgm 11:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, or maybe biggest should be highest. A peer copyediting system would be nice, but how could it be administered? I just hope it wouldn't become a peer vandalising system. Graham talk 11:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

A peer copyediting system ? According to the Archives (here and here), PFHLai has been inviting people to Template talk:Did you know "to fix up DYK entries before they show up on the Main Page." -- 199.71.174.100 13:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed the issues mentioned above. RexNL 12:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, RexNL, for fixing. -- 199.71.174.100 13:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia's Main Page does have a peer copyediting system, at least last time I checked. It's called Talk:Main Page. The only thing which separates the Main Page from the rest of the site is the semi-protection, which means that only administrators can actually make these small fixes. --Dhartung | Talk 00:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

number of articles

The number of articles in the main portal (wikipedia.org) is not updated since several days. This concerns all the wikipedias. gala.martin (what?) 16:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe that page needs a manual update, and hence it is only updated to a rough count (e.g. 1.1 million + articles) instead of a variable-based count. I can't remember where the correct place to update that page is, though. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 23:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You can post changes to m:Www.wikipedia.org template/temp, which is the unprotected version of the portal page. (Please be careful to only edit the number of articles -- the rest of the HTML and CSS code on that page is carefully balanced to make the portal display correctly in as many browsers/devices as possible.) Updates made to that Temp page are periodically copied to the protected live page by Meta administrators.

By the way, in case you didn't see it in the Signpost this week:

Design of Wikipedia.org portal and Main Page praised

Portal page

Wikipedia was mentioned in the May cover article of .net magazine, "Create sites with impact" (subscription only), which includes a list of ten websites that have "instant impact".

A screenshot of the wikipedia.org portal was accompanied by brief commentary: "Wikipedia pages aren't much to look at. The collaborative encyclopedia overcomes this with two landing pages. The first is a high-impact splash page with language options, search and navigation, while the second [the Main Page] highlights current content." Some of the other sites chosen include Google, Flickr and BBC News Online.

How many articles does a Wikipedia need to be included in the ten Wikipedias surrounding the globe? I remember when Spanish had something like 80,000 or so articles and it was included in the list, so does it need 75,000, or has that number changed now that the number of articles in the Wikipedias in the 10,000+ category has increased, pushing the number up to 100,000 now that Spanish has more than that? The Russian Wikipedia's article count is closing in on 75,000 (with 71,861 as of April 27), so would it be included if it gains 3,139 articles? If so, how would the splash screen be changed? If not, what is the new threshold? BirdValiant 00:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's the ten languages with the most articles. But I don't really know. joturner 00:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it's just the top ten by article count. Russian would need to surpass Spanish to get into the circle -- unless someone would like to design a portal layout that did it differently. — Catherine\^talk 00:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I also think that the language portal page design is particularly nice. —Michiel Sikma, 08:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Add an eleventh language if necessary between the bottom of the wikipedia symbol and the search bar on the portal. Rrpbgeek 22:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Poll of the Day

I think to solve the disputes about Articles for deletion on Wikipedia, we should have an daily poll of the daywhere users vote on whether specific article(s) should be delted or not. You would have to enter your username and password and then cast your ballot. You can only vote once.1028 19:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Interested users can always browse Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion and participate in any poll they like (although generally unregistered users' votes are not counted, and this consensus is unlikely to change soon). How would a front page poll eliminate the "dispute" over a deletion? --Dhartung | Talk 00:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea because:

• 1.More people would be involved in the articles for deletion
• 2.It would encourage more people who log on to Wikipedia to become a member
• 3.Once you tally the results, we can either delete the article or not delete the article depending on what they voted for
• 4.It would be more fair because everybody can see it when they log on and not just the people who log on to the articles for deletion page

Ads you can see, having a poll of the day is a good idea1028 00:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Go to WP:Pump. Such a poll does not belong to Main Page. -- 65.95.106.174 15:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Arbor Day

Should we add "Arbor Day in the United States (2006)" to 'On This Day' ? Notable enough ? It looks kind of empty there without any holidays anywhere in the world today. -- 199.71.174.100 00:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

yes, that should be there. Where are all of the admins who read this page? —Cuiviénen, Friday, 28 April 2006 @ 15:09 UTC

One holiday is better than none. However, we should've mentioned some of the other countries that casually observe it. -- Zanimum 17:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Freedom Tower

I think it would be a good idea to mention how long it has taken to build the tower. Something like, "After x many years of delay, the Freedom Tower..." --Cumbiagermen 01:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, space is limited, and most people can subtract 2001 from 2006 ... --Dhartung | Talk 02:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Injuried

In the 4/28/96 "On this day" entry, "injuried" should be "injured". Every dictionary I checked shows "injury" as a noun only. Art LaPella 02:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks for the info. Prodego ^talk 02:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Typo

DYK: ...that Burg Pfalzgrafenstein, a castle in the Rhine that Victor Hugo described as a “ship of stone”, also used it's well as a dungeon? should be its not it's --mervyn 07:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I second this. Please fix this ASAP. Thank you! -- Miwa * talk * contribs ^_^ 08:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Main page formatting magic

Can anyone enlighten me, how it is achieved that the h1 caption "Main Page" is invisible on the main page? --Pjacobi 12:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

It's a special bit of javascript in MediaWiki:Monobook.js which writes (effectively) h1 { display:none} to the page if its the main page, on load.-- Alfakim --  talk  13:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Featured picture

How did today's picture (a transformer) warrent a space on the main page, or even become featured in the first place? It isn't even in any article! Dave 16:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

For how, see Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Single-phase transformer and, as for article use, see Transformer. - BanyanTree 17:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

yeah- sorry, I missed it Dave 17:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• What about it?--Dp462090|Talk |Contrib| 18:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured pictures. -- Zanimum 17:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Dp462090, it was removed by a vandal. -- 199.71.174.100 22:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Question

Question where does urethral sounds come from?

Please ask at WP:REF -- Zanimum 17:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that you mean WP:RD which is the place where you ask questions. Jeltz talk 22:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

You ask questions at the WP:Help_desk. FellowWikipedian 16:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

You ask questions about Wikipedia at the help desk. You ask questions about urethral sounds at the reference desk. --Cherry blossom tree 17:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

ITN flag

Is the flag in "In the news" that of the Solomon Islands, Nepal, Egypt, or Australia? One shouldn't have to mouseover the image or click it to find out. --Cam 00:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• Done, I added "flag pictured" to ITN. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Of course, there is this discussion about changing the format of ITN about making the image descriptions a bit more clear. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we need a new flag rather than the discussion on the format or layout. How about replacing the Flag of the Solomon Islands with the Flag of South Korea for now ? (Some new news items on the Main Page would be even better.) -- 199.71.174.100 21:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

This is fine, but it still says (flag pictured) by the Solomon Islands article.-Matthew Cieplak ^{(talk) (edits)} 08:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Should 'Help' be bolded?

Does anybody else think that it might help if the link to help:contents in main page header was made bold? It would make the header look like this:

I think you are right. Help:contents should be bolded. It will make it easier for people who need help. FellowWikipedian 15:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. 6,908,122 articles in English

Arts Biography Geography

History Mathematics Science

Society Technology All portals

@ 04:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

A link is already on the navigation bar right underneath the logo. Let's not overdo this. How about moving that link a little higher ? Or down to become the first item in the toolbox ? -- 199.71.174.100 21:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Since noone seems to care much, could an admin perhaps try it out to see what the reaction is?It's a small word, easy to ignore, but visible enough to stand out to someone who doesn't know what to do. -- drrngrvy ^tlk @ 14:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Diane Keaton photo

I don't have anything to do with images on Wikipedia so I don't know if this is possible, but surely the image of Diane Keaton should have focused on her face (the important bit, surely)? By shrinking the whole image - including desk and windows - to 100 pixels wide, it included lots of extraneous detail but left her face as only a few pixels across. El T 14:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree I clicked on the picture to see what is looked like, it is not the best picture of her. It should have focused on her face. I guess we'll have to keep it that way. Mabie next time. FellowWikipedian 16:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't Keaton be referred to as an actress rather than an actor? --the Dannycas 21:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Although most people don't use it as such, actor is a gender-neutral term. Evil Monkey - Hello 22:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

simple english

People who speak only a little english will not be looking in the languages for simple english. There should be a link in plan sight for the simple english wikipedia.

You're right. The link to the Simple English Wikipedia is obscure.

It's unfortunate, but a bigger problem is that the Simple English Wikipedia just doesn't have that many articles (and many that it does have are barely stubs). I like the idea myself -- I've even tossed out the idea of a Wikipedia for Kids -- but I think it should earn greater prominence, to be blunt. --Dhartung | Talk 06:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Typos

In the last Did You Know entry, "restistance" should be "resistance", "figter" should be "fighter", "againt" should be "against" and "Soviet NKVD" should be "the Soviet NKVD". Art LaPella 21:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing these out. I've fixed them. Raven4x4x 00:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

POTD unprotected

I don't know if it's too soon to complain about this, but the picture of the day, Image:Caerulea3 crop.jpg, isn't protected. Melchoir 00:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Come to think of it, neither is Image:Starship troopers2.jpg. Melchoir 00:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Neither was the Selected Anniversary one. All three are protected now. --Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 00:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Melchoir 00:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Next time, please don't alert potential vandals about unprotected Main Page components so publicly here. -- 199.71.174.100 07:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

No need to be quite so abrupt to well-meaning people. If not here, then where? Bazza 13:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to be blunt. We can contact admins at their noticeboard (did that already) or individual talkpages. -- 199.71.174.100 13:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right; I guess it didn't occur to me that vandals would see the talk page, but surely some of them do. Melchoir 02:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Featured Picture, Frog

That's the second frog in a month. What's the deal with that?

You mean since Frog itself was featured with the same picture a month ago? Ah well. Melchoir 00:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The featured picture description notes the frog's average lifespan in captivity twice, once by spelling out the number "sixteen", and once by using the numerals "16". It's a little redundant. :^) – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 01:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Qualifying "redundant" with "a little" is also redundant. --JohnO 05:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not. "Little" and "redundant" have two different meanings. Oxymoronic, perhaps. —  MusicMaker 05:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is. But it's not oxymoronic. You can't have degrees of redundancy. Something is either redundant... or not. The word "little" in the phrase "a little redundant" is unnecessary. An oxymoron, on the other hand, is the combination of two contradictory terms. Little does not contradict redundant. Nor does it contribute to the meaning of the adjective (nor the sentence as a whole). It is of no use in the sentence. It is redundant! --JohnO 09:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I was reading "redundant" as "repetitive" and not as "unnecessarily much". I've never heard it used that way before. Concede. —  MusicMaker 21:13, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

what so big deal about it??? "a little redundant" for ASIAN means "a bit too much"....we are not attending the court of law,we are in a dicussion,so....what the fuss about grammar in it???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.71.100.76 (talk • contribs) 09:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sheesh, that was just my way of not sounding so blunt! – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 19:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I think they were joking around...I hope they were...BrokenSegue 21:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Seems like "a little" is not redundant at all. It conveys a subtle message. BTW, let's not pick on each other's English on Talk:Main Page (except when asking for clarification). We should be constructively discussing the content of Main Page, instead. -- 199.71.174.100 23:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

"Flag Pictured": Solomon Islands or South Korea?

The current 'in the news' section shows the South Korean flag (referencing the first news item), but the third news item says that the Solomon Islands flag is pictured :

Snyder Rini resigns as Prime Minister of the Solomon Islands (flag pictured), avoiding a motion of no confidence in parliament.

Should be changed? Comrade42 08:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, I made the change. I didn't include "flag pictured" on the South Korea news line because I figured it would be assumed since it is the first entry. However, if that is unclear, an admin can change it. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 08:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

There was a simular problem, that somone did not know which flag it was in the ITN section. I guess we should only put it there, when there is a new entry on the main page on top of the old one that was realated to the picture. Then someone can put "flag pictured" in the sentence for the old one. FellowWikipedian 12:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

itn

Can somebody please look @ a suggestion I have made for a ITN headline. --Hamedog_Talk|^@ 09:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Someone already posted it. FellowWikipedian 17:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Music Reactions

#REDIRECT [[Insert text]]

Ohhhh.... —  MusicMaker 21:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

On this day: May 1

May 1 is also the Worker's Day in Brazil. Carioca 21:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe that goes under the 'May Day in various countries' blurb. Preston 22:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Picture Error in On this day

The picture is the USS Phoenix NOT the ARA General Belgrano. Dabbler 00:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

OK I see from the Belgrano article that the Belgrano was originally the Phoenix, but the labelling is still incorrect and confusing and the picture page is not clear that they are one and the same. (I removed an anonymous edit to my first entry). Dabbler 00:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

The bad picture is now gone. -- 199.71.174.100 22:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

On this day

I'm not a naval expert, but I have never heard of a British warship being described as The HMS anything. It isn't done and doesn't make any grammatical sense (ie 'The Her/His Majesty's Ship'?). This may be an export from across the water, where I believe it is common to use this phraseology (ie 'The United States' Ship' Yada-Yada). It is, in short incorrect- the sentence should read simply HMS Conqueror sank the ARA General Belgrano. I'm not offended by it, but some might be; it might be an idea for someone who can to fix the mistake, although it's no biggie. Badgerpatrol 03:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

That sentence has been completely re-written. -- 199.71.174.100 22:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Grammar problem @ ITN

• Immigration reform protests in the United States, sparked by proposed legislation H.R. 4437, continues with the Great American Boycott.

The "protests" is plural. Could someone take the "s" off "continues" or re-write the sentence, please ? Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 05:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the tip! Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 05:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it, Titoxd. -- 199.71.174.100 22:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Typo in feature article?

...temperate climate, which is milder than the those of other cities...

If some one could fix it up, I'm not sure how. Thanks -Nekura 16:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Unless it's a weird grammatical thing that is correct, but just doesn't sound right. Cause I'm no English Major -Nekura 19:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. RexNL 20:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Canadian budget

I just made the article Canadian federal budget, 2006. I think it should be featured on the main page, or at least in current events, because it is an extremely slow news day. I mean, I'm really excited about this cricket championship and some Hundai exec being arrested, but I think this news could squeeze in. Theonlyedge 22:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

There are more candidates to fill up ITN waiting at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. -- 199.71.174.100 22:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I posted this on Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. FellowWikipedian 23:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Number of articles

Congrats, Wikipedia has (had for some time) more articles than the population of the Birmingham, Alabama metro area! See List of United States metropolitan statistical areas by population). Dralwik|^{Have a Chat}

Reinserting a break

About a month ago, and now again, I saw near the top a pair of lines with this code:

the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

(As it's in a cell it breaks somewhere; possibly not at the same place for every viewer. For me, it breaks after "anyone", which is ugly.)

I changed it to:

the free encyclopedia that
anyone can edit.

So the top line is shorter than it was (but still longer than the bottom line) and does not contain part of a link. Who has a problem with that? Robin Patterson 01:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Great idea. Before it was ugly. I do not have a problem with that I just thought I should give you positive feedback. FellowWikipedian 01:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I saw it as a single line of text, and your change makes the header look horrible for me. What browser and what resolution are you using? I am using Firefox, with 1024 x 768 resolution. Prodego ^talk 01:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It did not break for me (Firefox Linux 1024x786) no matter how I resized my browser and now it looks worse.--Clawed 01:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The previous version fit all on one line, even if I shrink the window as small as it will go. It's not supposed to be a two-line message. Oh and I've tried it on 4 different Windows browsers and it's 1-line in all of them. –Tifego^(t) _{01:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)}

Screenshots of how I am seeing it before and after your change. Prodego ^talk 01:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It looks really horrible for me now. I use a 1280x1024 resolution, and now most of the top of the page just looks like white space now that the bar is so wide! I'll have screenshots in a moment. —Mets501^talk 02:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Here we go (with a table border so the height is clear): Before:

and after:

—Mets501^talk 02:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's an idea that should make everyone happy: Change

the free encyclopedia that [[Wikipedia:Introduction|anyone can edit]].

to

the free encyclopedia that [[Wikipedia:Introduction|anyone can edit]].

That way it doesn't split in the middle of the link on browsers that incorrectly split it into 2 lines, and it still looks the same as before (displays as 1 line) for everyone else. –Tifego^(t) _{03:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)}

I made the change to use nbsp.-gadfium 05:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks great now! —Mets501^talk 22:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

On This Day: 3 May

Is there an admin awake yet? It's 100% wrong to say that the Polish Constitution of May 3, 1791 was "the first codified national constitution in Europe". Here's an older one: Instrument of Government. And to say that it's "the second oldest constitution in the world" is just asking for trouble: have a look at Constitution#History_and_development.

I suggest that the entry be changed to "1791 - The Polish Constitution of May 3, 1791, Europe's first modern codified national constitution, was adopted." StockholmSyndrome 06:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:DYK

This section is a backlog. Please update as soon as possible. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Namespace

Why is Main Page in the main namespace? It should be at Wikipedia:Main Page. If there is ever a famous book/band/movie called "Main Page" how will the redirect work? I wanted to make a redirect for Home page. jnestorius^(talk) 13:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

See Talk:Main Page/Archive 67#Namespace. --64.229.225.56 14:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

tongan earthquake

we need to mention it in the top news, no?

Someone put it in the news but there is one on WikiNews. WikiNews articles can't be on Wikipedia. Please see the mention here Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. FellowWikipedian 20:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedian Governor

I think that we should elect a governor of Wikipedia to settle all disputes. 1028 23:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Jimbo Wales. But there are far too many disputes for one person to handle, that's why ArbCom exists. Prodego ^talk 23:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

But then we just have disputes about the appropriateness of Jimbo's remedies!  :)

More helpfully (perhaps), see Wikipedia:Resolving disputes for the dispute resolution mechanisms. Ideally, the Arbcom would have nothing to do because everything would have been settled before it reached their level. - BanyanTree 01:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Typo

In On This Day, "1855 - William Walker and group of mercenaries" should really be "1855 - William Walker and a group of mercenaries". Art LaPella 02:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. Shanes 02:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposed change to the top of the page subject list ("Culture" to replace "Arts")

I suggest that "Culture" should replace "Arts" in the subject list on the top of the main page. "Arts" is a subdivision of culture and is not a fundamental top level category like the other seven subjects shown. Including it in the list means that the list does not cover the full range of knowledge, or the full content of Wikipedia. Adding "Culture" to the list in its place will solve these problems. CalJW 02:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Overlap with 'Society' ? -- 65.95.106.174 15:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Some might suggest another solution might be to make arts a top level category. As suggested above, society overlaps with culture, which is where perhaps it should be categorised, and I'd also add that guidelines tell us categories do not form a strict hierarchy. Therefore I'd suggest you're arguing froma flawed premise, and also note we should be presenting information for our reader's considerations, not our own. I'm also confused as to why Technology is a top level category and not a sub-category of Science, and the same could be argued for Maths. History could be placed in Culture, and thus so could Biography, and since Culture is now in Society, before you know it we have reduced the links to one, Category:Categories. Steve block Talk 23:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I oppose Culture replacing Arts. It's possible to say that Arts as a sub-category of Culture, but if the latter is defined so widely that everything else fits within it, it defeats the purpose of having separate categories IMO. - Kleinzach 10:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I stand with Steve block and Kleinzach in opposing. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 14:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I, as well, agree with Steve block and Kleinzach. -- T.o.n.y 17:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

ITN Technicality

Technically, Zacarias Moussaoui has not been sentenced to life in prison without parole yet. Juries cannot hand down sentences. Instead, the news item should read something like:

A jury in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui (pictured) determines he should serve life in prison without the possibility of parole for involvement in the September 11, 2001 attacks.

On May 4, at 10:00am Alexandria, Virginia time (1400 UTC), the sentence (which will most likely be life in prison w/o parole) should be official. joturner 02:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Try Talk:Main Page/errors. --65.95.106.174 15:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see that. That's new. I suppose it was necessary (and a good idea). joturner 22:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Freedom Tower link

Does anyone else get a screwy link to Freedom Tower? In Firefox this link shows up red and takes me to the editing page for the article. However, it only does this when I'm logged in. Does this have something to do with it being protected? Imaginaryoctopus^(talk) 03:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm using Firefox (and I'm logged in) and I'm not having that problem. joturner 03:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, me neither now. I've been refreshing the page for the past few minutes and it suddenly stopped being redlinked. Strange...oh well, nevermind. Imaginaryoctopus^(talk) 03:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

It was deleted to clean up a vandal attack. It should be ok now. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 03:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

That's so weird. Exactly the same thing happened to me, but with the link to the September 11, 2001 attacks article. The problem went away when I refreshed the page after a couple of minutes. Arvindn 04:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Same thing there. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 05:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Two Edward S. Curtis FPs in a row?

Shouldn't we go for a bit more variety with the FPs? Or are we running out again? 03:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Ask at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. --65.95.106.174 15:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Minor edit needed to correct a current Did You Know

In the current did you know: "That Nerima Daikon Brothers is a rare musical comedy format anime series that pokes fun of Junichiro Koizumi, Michael Jackson, Bae Yong-Joon..." of should be at.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Even smaller edit: the entry on Anders Uppström should start with three dots instead of two. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 13:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Try Talk:Main Page/errors. --65.95.106.174 15:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Josip Broz - Tito died on May 4th

As a great political leader and founder of the Non-Aligned_Movement, he more then deserves being mentioned on the main page.

Deaths are not usually put onto selected anniverseries unless the person is tremendously historically significant, and even then only on the 50th, 100th etc. anniversaries. He might have had a chance last year, on the 25th anniversary of his death, but probably not again until the 50th in 2030. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 11:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

hey everyone

why did sacaria musowi not get the death penalty?

I dunno, Internet? Ziggur 18:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

No Kent State

Seriously, no Kent State shootings?--YoungFreud 15:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Generally speaking, more than two items on one country in Selected anniversaries is considered bad form. There are (arguably) already three items that are US-related and adding another would be bad form. May 4 does list the shootings. - BanyanTree 19:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you see the Albatross?

I can't see this featured article.... Ithink it has been vandalized --Melaen 22:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

No, something happened, it takes me to the edit page of Albatross. Up until 30 seconds ago it brought me to a picture of a movie. —Mets501^talk 22:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Working now. —Mets501^talk 22:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Redlink on main page now.Guinnog 22:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Fixed now. It was necessary to remove personal information from the edit history of the page. Unfortunately Albatross has had to be semiprotected, but that is necessary also. --Darth Deskana (talk page) 22:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

German Main Page

I like the new main page at de. It's slim and professional. Shouldn't it be used at en, too?

You like that one better? I like ours. It lookies "happier." —Mets501^talk 22:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• I like the German one. The talk page looks realy good. How do you like the Italian Wikipedia. Not that we should change the en Wikipedia to this one. But this looks nice also. FellowWikipedian 22:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Now that's a nice one. Playful and fun looking, but everything is there. I also like their rounded tabs at the top of each page instead of our square ones. —Mets501^talk 22:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Eh, I'm not too big on the huge section portal. I personally never use it, and it would definitely bother me having to scroll past it each time. -Elmer Clark 23:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Background-color on the Italian Wikipedia talk page looks realy good.FellowWikipedian 02:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

If anyone's interested, there are long discussions about the various merits and demerits of various layouts in the archives of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page, which led us to the page we have. - BanyanTree 14:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Error reports

Just a suggestion, maybe all future error report threads that show up here should be moved over to the error report subpage which some admins watch independent of this page (since this page often fills up with irrelevant threats) and therefore would more quickly be able to fix any problems that are reported. If there's no objections to this I'd suggest amending something to the error page notice at the top of this page to state that any error reports posted here will be moved to the subpage. Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 00:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

same image forever

ok, do we have to look at that zak guy's face forever? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.76.99.106 (talk • contribs)

If and when another world event occurs, the image, and the top news item, will be replaced. joturner 02:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why today, but it clicked on me too. Don't you think someone should update the news? --Alexignatiou 15:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Cinco De Mayo

Shouldn't Cinco De Mayo be put as a holiday?--68.198.111.189 10:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, Cinco de Mayo points to Cinco de mayo which is a redirect to Cinco de Mayo. Piet 15:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The link has been corrected. As for not being listed under holidays, Cinco de Mayo is not a legal/formal holiday in any of the locations it is celebrated. --Allen3 ^talk 15:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Solar eclipse

What's going on with the featured article page? If someone could restore... Superdosh 17:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

what seems to be the problem?--Alhutch 17:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, looks like its been resolved (thanks). The problem was that the page was wiped and replaced with a picture (first of the movie Dick, and later of a character from Spongebob), and there wasn't any history that I could use to restore. Superdosh 17:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

yeah, vandalism. i put it on my watchlist, so we'll do our best to keep it clean.--Alhutch 17:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Er...why is the featured article have a red link?Agent_Koopa 17:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)