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Line 1: {{talk header}} {{WikiProject ~~Albania~~banner shell\| class=Start\|~~importance=mid\|comments~~1=}}▼ ~~{{WikiProjectBannerShell\|1=~~ {{WikiProject Cities~~\|class=Start\|importance=mid~~}} {{WikiProject Kosovo~~\|class=Start~~\|importance=mid}} {{WikiProject Serbia~~\| class=Start~~\|importance=mid~~\|comments=~~}} ▲{{WikiProject Albania\| class=Start\|importance=mid\|comments=}} }} == Not recognized country == ~~== Change the name from serbian name to international one (albanian included) ==~~ Kosovo is not recognized country. It is formally part of Serbia, protected by international forces (KFOR), regulated by UN declaration no. 1244. That is why this city and also other cities is formally part of country Serbia, and it is Serbian province. Even there are some countries which is recognizing Kosovo as an idependant country, it is still not recognized by majority of world and by UN. [[Special:Contributions/178.223.13.104\|178.223.13.104]] ([[User talk:178.223.13.104\|talk]]) 19:56, 29 June 2023 (UTC) The name should be edited ASAP firstly its in independent state since 2008 recognized by 86 out of 193 states (44%) of all UN nations, 22 out of 27 EU countries or 81%, 24 out of 28 NATO states or 86%, and 27 out of 57 (47%) member states of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) have recognised The Republic of Kosovo and all the countries recongnize and call the city Mitrovica this is one of many reasons to change it but all major news international agency use the name MITROVICA not kosovska mitrovica serbian name, the UN recognize within Mitrovica name, same is used in municipality of mitrovica and the last and most important one the name should be used how the demographic of ethnic population lived and lives in municipality or city which it means name should be and is Mitrovica cause great majority are ethnic albanians. And kosovska mitrovica should be invalid name anyways cause the name was put in yugoslavian regime where serbs hold it the most of power and changing it how the want it. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Illyrian88\|Illyrian88]] ([[User talk:Illyrian88\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Illyrian88\|contribs]]) 19:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> I changed the names expect the title which i cant change it, the one who disagree with international name(albanian incl.) should give a prove or the good reason to change it again but i mention again the name kosovska mitrovica is invalid for the simple fact the serbian regime change it only to serbian. Its recognized by all country with name Mitrovica so wiki should respect the international rules and not playing the role of lawyer of serbia. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Illyrian88\|Illyrian88]] ([[User talk:Illyrian88\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Illyrian88\|contribs]]) 16:21, 25 January 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> ~~I agree after having conducted a Google Test that this page needs to be renamed.~~ ~~A number of methods can be used to identify which of a pair (or more) conflicting names is the most prevalent in English.~~ * '''The Google test'''. Using Google's [http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en advanced search option], search for each conflicting name and confine the results to pages written in English; also exclude the word "Wikipedia" (as we want to see what other people are using, not our own usage). Note which is the most commonly used term. * '''International organisations'''. Search for the conflicting names on the websites of organisations such as the [[United Nations]], [[NATO]], [[OSCE]], [[IMF]], etc. * '''Major English-language media outlets'''. Use [http://news.google.com Google News] and, where possible, the archives of major outlets such as [http://news.bbc.co.uk BBC News] and [http://www.cnn.com CNN] to identify common usages. Some media organisations have established style guides covering naming issues, which can provide useful guidance (e.g. [[The Guardian]]'s style guide says use ''Ukraine'', not ''the Ukraine''). * '''Reference works'''. Check other encyclopedias. If there is general agreement on the use of a name (as there often will be), that is usually a good sign of the name being the preferred term in English. ~~Mitrovica passes the Google test hands down.~~ ~~Results 1 - 10 of about 2,460,000 for Mitrovica -Wikipedia. (0.13 seconds)~~ ~~Results 1 - 10 of about 540,000 for Kosovska Mitrovica -Wikipedia. (0.22 seconds)~~ ~~And this is exluding Wikipedia - as is advised by Wikipedia when conducting the Google test - [[User:Ottomanist\|Ottomanist]] ([[User talk:Ottomanist\|talk]]) 23:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC)~~ * It's not really surprising that there are more Google hits for 'Mitrovica' than for 'Kosovska Mitrovica'; every hit for 'Kosovska Mitrovica' is also a hit for 'Mitrovica'. (Also note that [[Mitrovica]] has other meanings apart from this city.) A more thorough research is needed. <p> It's not out of question that Mitrovica is used more often internationally than the (official?) name Kosovska Mitrovica. For instance, take the Czech city [[České Budějovice]] - from 1920, the official German name was ''Böhmisch Budweis'', but the longer name was not popular among Germans. - [[User:Mike Rosoft\|Mike Rosoft]] ([[User talk:Mike Rosoft\|talk]]) 17:51, 19 March 2014 (UTC) ~~== Wiki Project Albania? ==~~ ~~Can someone explain to me why is this article a part of the Wiki Project Albania?-[[Special:Contributions/109.92.117.132\|109.92.117.132]] ([[User talk:109.92.117.132\|talk]]) 11:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)~~ :Per albanian population in town. It is related to the WP Albania per that. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:WhiteWriter\|WhiteWriter]]<sup>[[User talk:WhiteWriter \|speaks]]</sup></span> 12:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC) ~~:: Being part of a project means simply that it is of interest to the participants of that project. [[User:Alaexis\|Alæxis]]<sub>[[User_talk:Alaexis\|¿question?]]</sub> 09:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)~~ ~~:::Yes, but then why doesn't every Serb town in Bosnia have Wikiproject Serbia written all over it? [[User:23 editor\|23 editor]] ([[User talk:23 editor\|talk]]) 19:44, 7 April 2013 (UTC)~~ ~~==Requested move to Mitrovica==~~ ~~== Requested move ==~~ ~~{{Requested move/dated\|Mitrovica (Kosovo)}}~~ ~~[[:Kosovska Mitrovica]] → {{no redirect\|Mitrovica (Kosovo)}} – More commonly used. [[User:Ujkrieger\|Ujkrieger]] ([[User talk:Ujkrieger\|talk]]) 09:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)~~ ~~Google books~~ * 'Mitrovica': [https://www.google.co.uk/search?espv=210&es_sm=122&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=bks&q=%27%27mitrovica%27%27&oq=%27%27mitrovica%27%27&gs_l=serp.3...2047.6167.0.6427.17.16.0.0.0.1.91.1087.16.16.0....0...1c.1.37.serp..13.4.292.e9E1HJygfjc] 95,400 results * 'Kosovska Mitrovica': [https://www.google.com/search?num=100&tbm=bks&q=%22kosovska+mitrovica%22&oq=%22kosovska+mitrovica%22&gs_l=serp.3...3062.6763.0.7608.20.20.0.0.0.0.103.1255.19j1.20.0....0...1c.1.37.serp..15.5.381.7fAkI_cTlok] 11,900 results '''Support''' - Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. An advanced google search for English Language only Books produces these results. [http://www.google.com/search?q=Kosovska+Mitrovica,+Kosovo+-wikipedia+-ucl&lr=lang_en&safe=active&tbs=lr:lang_1en&tbm=bks&ei=cBkwU6yWFcGshQe6yYGYCQ&start=190&sa=N "Kosovska Mitrovica, Kosovo -wikipedia -ucl" = 196 Books] compared to [http://www.google.com/search?q=Mitrovica,+Kosovo+-wikipedia+-ucl&lr=lang_en&safe=active&tbs=lr:lang_1en&tbm=bks&ei=ZBkwU--CKsjKhAedo4DIBQ&start=410&sa=N "Mitrovica, Kosovo -wikipedia -ucl" = 417 Books]. It is by far the common name of the city in the English Language. Not only this, but all mainstream English language media from English speaking countries now use "Mitrovica" over "Kosovska Mitrovica". BBC [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26618286] [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26451936]. The Guardian [http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/nov/04/kosovo-elections-mitrovica-polling-station-video] [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/03/violence-mars-kosovo-elections] The Independent [http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/coach-cesare-prandelli-moans-about-italys-lack-of-options-9169371.html?origin=internalSearch] [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/postcard-from-mitrovica-9110240.html?origin=internalSearch] The Telegraph [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/honours-list/10542766/New-Year-Honours-2014-list-in-full.html] [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/francois-hollande/10390840/Francois-Hollande-Deported-Roma-girl-can-return-from-Kosovo.html] CNN [http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/05/sport/kosovo-ukraine-football/index.html?iref=allsearch] [http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/17/kosovar-man-arrested-as-part-of-alleged-n-c-terror-plot/?iref=allsearch] Fox News [http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/23/voters-in-kosovo-choosing-mayor-tense-northern-town-mitrovica-4th-attempt-in-4/] [http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/01/serbs-in-divided-north-anxious-over-possible-deal-between-serbia-and-kosovo-at/] The Times of India [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/top-stories/Kosovo-draws-with-Haiti-on-international-bow/articleshow/31496688.cms] [[User:IJA\|IJA]] ([[User talk:IJA\|talk]]) 11:49, 24 March 2014 (UTC) '''Oppose''' - this is another case of presenting false search results to support particular position in renaming Kosovo toponyms.--[[User:Antidiskriminator\|Antidiskriminator]] ([[User talk:Antidiskriminator\|talk]]) 13:37, 24 March 2014 (UTC) ~~: Could editors please restrain from making baseless arguments and instead try to contribute to the discussion. [[User:Ujkrieger\|Ujkrieger]] ([[User talk:Ujkrieger\|talk]]) 16:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)~~ * '''@ Antidiskriminator''' - Where is your argument? You've just dismissed all the evidence because it doesn't fit in with your POV. [[User:IJA\|IJA]] ([[User talk:IJA\|talk]]) 20:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC) * '''Oppose''' There are some oder towns named Mitrovica, Sremska, Mačvanska, Kosovska, so Only mitrovica is not the right solution to have. If we have full name, why to use only Mitrovica (Kosovo), that is wrong. --'''<font face="Perpetua" size="3">[[User:Anastan\|<font color="#1E90FF">Ąnαșταη</font>]] ([[User talk:Anastan\|<font color="#1E90FF">ταlκ</font>]])</font>''' 17:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC) * '''@ Ąnαșταη''' - That isn't much of an argument, there are lots of places with the same name all over the world. "Mitrovica" is the common name for the town in Northern Kosovo in the English Language and we should follow Wikipeida guidelines and use the common name of the Common name instead of a foreign name. [[User:IJA\|IJA]] ([[User talk:IJA\|talk]]) 20:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)