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== Reorganizing the article ==

::Throughout there is confusion around the USA model and other jurisdictions. this has lead to factually inaccurate statements. needs heavily editing or re-writing. [[Special:Contributions/185.58.164.47|185.58.164.47]] ([[User talk:185.58.164.47|talk]]) 09:07, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:::Yes, and thanks for your efforts... but next time, try leaving the dates blank on cn tags (a bot will fill them in) or adding the current date. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 20:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

 

== Clarity in lead ==

:::::I think you're comparing lengths of education internationally which doesn't really work. and seem to be including childhood school years as part of their "PA education". [[User:Tannim101|Tannim101]] ([[User talk:Tannim101|talk]]) 20:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

::::::The first part is correct, which is why the second part is wrong. Current PAs in the United States have a minimum of 6 years of full time college education, just like an MBBS does. Many have more, a growing number hold doctoral degrees of some sort. Claiming that PAs are less well educated than physicians is not true in an absolute sense, even if it may be true in a general sense. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30998577/]. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 18:55, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

::So, I made some more changes. We need to discuss how to phrase "dependent practitioner" because it isn't the same for every jurisdiction: some need onsite physician presence, I just need to have one's cell phone number, and other PAs don't even have to have a supervising doctor at all, based on their U.S. state laws. Frankly, "dependent practitioner" is pretty old terminology, like "physician extender" and doesn't capture how PAs work in many U.S. settings. Obviously, in places where medical training is abbreviated compared to how U.S. attending physicians are trained, their PAs are going to be less competent and less well trained than U.S. PAs. A U.S. PA education is likely better than medical school in many of the world's less well resourced countries.... but how do we capture that? [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 01:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

:::If what you're saying about PAs in America having more medical training than doctors is true, then that's so far removed from the UK that we definitely need multiple articles. Perhaps split whatever is about the US into a new article with the title [[Physician assistant (United States)]]. [[User:DrVogel|Dr. Vogel]] ([[User talk:DrVogel|talk]]) 01:26, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

 

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