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== Cleanup started ==
Somebody had pasted a huge whack of irelevant information promoting various bootleg compilations into the article, which I've summarily removed, along with links to unofficial sites. The text still needs copy-editing (which means the tag should stay), but at least it's a start. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 07:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:After a few days, the material got pasted back in again (by a user who is already deregistered). It's clearly non-encyclopedic, poorly formatted, and seems designed in large part to promote bootlet compilations. So once again I removed it. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 20:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::This hasn't officially moved into [[WP:3RR]] territory, but there's definitely an edit war going on. The fact that the user who keeps inserting this material is either an anon or a redlinked account doesn't make it easy to engage in a dialogue, so let me restate the case as I see it: the information being added is entirely unsourced, in many cases consists only of lists (of minor TV appearances or Japanese recordings), is littered with non-NPOV material, and clearly in some cases is promoting bootlegs/fan compilations of material. Extra information about the success of the Nolans in Japan would definitely improve the article, but it should be sourced and written appropriately. The material being added doesn't remotely meet this criteria, being largely an unordered mess, and its presence distracts from the need to also rewrite the main body text. I'd welcome extra input from other Wiki users and admins, as at this stage we seem to be reaching a not very productive stalemate. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 06:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::There's also further discussion of this dispute on [[User_talk:Gusworld#The Nolans|my talk page]]. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 04:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:there certainly is a problem here. my friend has written all the text about the videos and the japanese years, as she has them all. the albums are all official. how can we source material that no one semeed to know about, and would never have appeared in wiki. this peroid was a very important time for the nolans, and a hugely sucessful one. again there is no malice intended with any reversals, but the fact that all this started because some idiots took chunks out for badness.
--[[User:Gazer97|Gazer97]] ([[User talk:Gazer97|talk]]) 20:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Sourcing may well be a problem, but verifiability is a core Wikipedia policy. In any event, there's also a question of relevance -- it isn't encylopedic to list every television appearance made by a given group, or which appearances are found on particular fan-circulated tapes, and that type of material would quite likely be removed from any article. There's already a discography section in the article; for commercially released Japanese albums (not promos or fan compilations, as the general consensus among Wikipedia editors is that these aren't appropriate), a useful first step would be to add the album titles there. Another relevant policy to look at is [[WP:OWN]] -- material that gets added gets edited, and it's inappropriate to take the view 'I (or my friend) wrote this so it must never be changed', which is how this is coming across right now. I'm going to revert the material, but will try and implement some of these editing suggestions later today if you don't get to it first. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 20:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
PPS WHAT DO YOU REGARD irelevant information ?? ENLIGHTEN ME DEAR GO ON... <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.109.231.13|88.109.231.13]] ([[User talk:88.109.231.13|talk]]) 21:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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on getting it better so if you could leave it, it would help ok pet :)'''
'''k mc 2008'''
You said Somebody had pasted a huge whack of irelevant information promoting various bootleg compilations '''Wrong''' there 2 songs that are named bootlegs thats the name of the remixes
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are official japan albums i dont buy cheep bootlegs the jap albums are very excpencive and very
rare, do not try and say there not official(i should know) i own them!!! k mc 2008
The japan stuff i added are all official albums and all songs and tracks are official
and for your information the bootlegs as you call them are official japan only mixes
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nolans that include all there hits remixed by a japan dj is this a bootleg, you
donot know the nolans like i do there for stop removing official imfo karen :) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.109.231.13|88.109.231.13]] ([[User talk:88.109.231.13|talk]]) 21:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::Karen, please read the entire discussion here, you've ignored most of it (and it helps to add comments at the end). As it stands, the listing you've pasted includes promo only releases, has a lot of irrelevant side comments, isn't formatted appropriately, and has a lot of repeated data. And then there's the problem of the TV show listings, which you haven't addressed either. Your enthusiasm is commendable, but you need to work within the framework of Wikipedia's guidelines and community. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 21:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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Record company names all wrong, members dates and last names wrong dire . i should know i own the records do not atemp to edit or write as its totaly wrong u got the imfo from fake site that clearly dont know what there talking about kmc <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.110.183.132|88.110.183.132]] ([[User talk:88.110.183.132|talk]]) 01:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:If you have evidence that a source is incorrect, please bring it to the talk page so that it can be reviewed by other editors. [[User:Celarnor|<
Firstly i dont want you editing nothing more importantly i will never leave you edit there so what is your point you are clearly crazy you have dates and peoples name all wrong and you added a album that was made up in my mind to the list, that in my book proves once again your way out you league you clearly have no idea who or what the nolans are or about wonder what album you have wrong? ha ha ha
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::Agreed re OR -- as I've noted a couple of times on this talk page, adding citations needs to be a high priority. If additional label names need to be added, then they can easily be added (with sources) -- that doesn't make the article wrong, though it does make it less comprehensive. Your admission to adding false content demonstrates again the need for sources but does again call into question your own reliability as an editor on this topic. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 01:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Again have the cds and i know better than you all i will say is anything you add will be removed as its been proven time and time again ur adding rubish , you have no idea what ur talking about. edit away i will remove thats a promice please do not go on my site again i will ban ur ip addres from this moment on. kmc 2008 u are not welcome on my nolans site. you have added inproper content to this page and got album names totaly wrong. its rather sad.
:Read [[WP:OR]] [[User:Antonio_Lopez|<span style='color:#00ff00;background-color:#000000;font-family:courier new;'>Antonio Lopez</span>]] <sup> [[User_talk:Antonio_Lopez|<span style='color:#ff0000;background-color:#000000;text-decoration:underline;font-family:courier new;'>(talk)</span>]]</sup> 01:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Such a pattern of behaviour on Wikipedia would quite possibly count as [[WP:DIS|disruptive editing]]. Despite the length of this discussion, you have yet to engage with any of the substantive content issues raised above. Nor have you attempted to explain how a list of your video collection should be part of an encyclopedia article. Please [[WP:CIVIL|refrain from personal abuse]] and address the issues at hand. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 01:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I will address you anyway i please i will talk to you in a proper mannor when you start acting proper
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: i was away for 2 days am back so i hav not quietend down--[[User:Gazer97|Gazer97]] ([[User talk:Gazer97|talk]]) 18:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
You have yet to demonstrate a single inaccurate record company name, merely an unsourced claim that other labels could be added to the list. If false information has been inserted into the article because of your own insistence on adding text (very evident early on this talk page), that reflects poorly on you. Some brief research suggests that the fake album name in question is 'Special Projects', which can easily be removed from the discography once this current dispute is resolved. As I have respect for WP:3RR, I'm making no changes now, but you still haven't provided a coherent reason for entirely rejecting my most recent edit. Gusworld (talk) 02:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC
wrong there are 7 nolans special projects nolans album and most have 2 or 3 diffrent cover and special versions of the album, Do not talk crap about stuff u dont know about esprit only have half the the nolans cd sop you looking on a site that lists only bits of it? and you say its right grouw up kmc2007 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.109.77.129|88.109.77.129]] ([[User talk:88.109.77.129|talk]]) 18:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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we will accept your stuff is its ok e g any accurate info.but we wont have everything taken out either--[[User:Gazer97|Gazer97]] ([[User talk:Gazer97|talk]]) 20:50, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:Please [[WP:CIVIL|be civil]]. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying you haven't provided evidence in a form that meets Wikipedia guidelines.
:I have not said everything found online is true -- Wikipedia sourcing policy makes it clear that many online resources should not be used, or only used with great care. I have said that there's no immediate evidence online that these particular CDs exist.
:If you add CDs to the discography, they will need to be appropriately referenced, and conform to generally accepted policies re discographies (for instance, promo-only items aren't normally included). References wouldn't necessarily have to be an online reference (you'll note there are print references in the article already), but it would have to be from a verifiable source as defined by Wikipedia policy. I note you have previously claimed to have deliberately added fake CD informaton to the page; pursuing this policy ensures that all information is verifiable. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 20:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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::(Just shifted this to the end to make tracking discussion easier). A related question if anyone knows: is the 95 re-release of IITMFD a remix of the 89 re-recording, or a second re-recording? (As ever, need a source for this, but knowing the answer would make it simpler to locate one!) [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 00:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)!
: I'm fairly sure the 89 and 95 versions are different, but don't know 100%, so not a lot of help there. I do know that they re-recorded all their hits on a 1995 compilation released over here (UK and Ireland)- the version on this CD is different, but also on a different label. It was a budget release, so I wouldn't be too worried about including it in the discography. I see however, that you failed to put in the '85 single "Goodbye Nothin' To Say". This was advertised in the press at the time, so probably seen as a comeback single - so quite important, despite it not charting. I also know they had another album out this year called "Love Songs". Unfortunately I don't know any details on it or how official it was. Possibly a follow-up to "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun"?
Still I'm glad to see all that ridiculous info on those videos has gone. --[[User:Tuzapicabit|Tuzapicabit]] ([[User talk:Tuzapicabit|talk]]) 11:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::Have dug up some references for "Goodbye Nothin' To Say", so will add ASAP. Also need to add the early Target singles. I think there's a reference to Love Songs in some of the material I found earlier this week, will check. Thanks again for the information! [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 12:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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Sorry 'bout that, see my talk page for response.--[[User:Tuzapicabit|Tuzapicabit]] ([[User talk:Tuzapicabit|talk]]) 15:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
::OK, this has been done now and the page is free of copied text. The number of changes needed wasn't as great as I'd thought, though earlier edits represent much closer copies of the EPM text. Also added reference to the '89 re-release, removed "Harry" from the singles list until someone can prove it exists, added some Australian chart positions, added citations for a couple of other facts already in place and put in some basic information on pre-1979 releases. These still need to go in the discography at some point, once there's agreement on a good ongoing format for it, along with the 80s Hallmark release and most post-1990 compilations.
::Also made a slight edit to the labels list -- listing every label (especially those for the re-releases) would make an unwieldy and not very informative list, but other contributors have complained that just having four labels listed is unrepresentative by omission. The current version, listing Epic and Teichku (the labels which had the majority of new material) and Target (highest-charting album) and then adding "and others" seems a reasonable compromise to me. Thoughts? [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 04:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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: Sales figures are always a minefield and I would reckon you're better off ditching them - you'll probably never find anything fully reliable. One quick point, you list The Nolan Sisters album at No.3 in the UK and 15 in Japan - should that be the other way round? I know it only got to 15 in the UK, but unsure of where in Japan. Good work on the early releases though. I remember seeing "All The Kings Horses" being performed on a TV programme around April/May 1979 - I thought it was probably a single, but that's just guesswork. I take it you found no mention of it anywhere?--[[User:Tuzapicabit|Tuzapicabit]] ([[User talk:Tuzapicabit|talk]]) 16:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::Good catch on the UK chart figure, must have got inverted during editing at some point. The Japanese chart positions are effectively unsourced, so no way of knowing if they're actually right (and hence they'll shortly be history). Haven't found any references to a single release of "All The Kings Horses" -- given the frequency with which the Nolans did TV guest appearances in the 70s and early 80s, single promo might not have been mandatory. [[User:Gusworld|Gusworld]] ([[User talk:Gusworld|talk]]) 03:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
don't know if i'm doing this right, but thansk for cleaning up the article and removing lots of the fake bootleg stuff. this nolan3008/kmc character, is a really silly little boy. he does this on various popstar websites i vist.
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: Yes a bit confusing since she also appears on the album cover from the same time, but according to sister Anne, Coleen didn't take part on the recordings at that time. She officially became a member around "Don't Make Waves" when Anne left.--[[User:Tuzapicabit|Tuzapicabit]] ([[User talk:Tuzapicabit|talk]]) 00:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
*Coleen apears on the 'Nolan Sisters' album, solo on "Thank You For The Music" and solo parts on "Bright Eyes". She was too young to appear on TV at the time,
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