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::::::::::::"Average" is a less specific word and includes both that, real daily mean and other non-mean calculations like [https://library.wmo.int/viewer/43912/download?file=wmo-td_341_en.pdf&type=pdf&navigator=1 (max+min)/2 which WMO requires]. (I'm not sure what you mean by "ambiguous" and I'm not going to presume, the records I'm talking about are also all from observations. You don't need imaginary records to use different averaging methods and come up with different average temperatures.)
::::::::::::Even if you redefine "mean" as including this, then the change from "average" to "mean" was pointless. It should be reverted, since it creates an incorrect but natural (at least for me) assumption that the "daily mean" means [[arithmetic mean]]. [[User:IvicaInsomniac|IvicaInsomniac]] ([[User talk:IvicaInsomniac|talk]]) 16:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Got the the mean vs. average thing, I believe other countries use the same pattern as well(maybe in different times of the day), still the high/low expression are not quite superior to maximum/minimum as official organizations do not use those terms.(in English language at least)
:::::::::::::''What makes least sense is ambiguously writing "record high" and "record low" for values directly from hourly or more often measurements.''
:::::::::::::This comment was the reason I used the term "ambiguous". The values used for record high/low are coming from observations which were stated as the highest/lowest temperature ever recorded in a month. If the ambiguous part is just the phrase, then I think changing it to '''absolute max/min''' or '''absolute high/low''' is an option to consider.
:::::::::::::For records/extremes it may not be needed to have hourly observation, however. If I remember correctly, there is a special type of thermometer which can show the 24-hour max/min temperature without the need of using hourly observations; but that is used for gardening and I don't know if a device with the same mechanism exists in meteorology or not.[[User:PAper GOL|PAper GOL]] ([[User talk:PAper GOL|talk]]) 16:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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::::::::::::Regarding the quote: Wikipedia is presenting an [[average]] (calculated by one of several different methods) as a [[mean]]. This is a mistake, and it matters because media produces a lot of garbage information about weather and climate. For example, every US weather website I visit for some reason writes about "daily records" which are based on a sample of at best 60-150 days or about 2-5 years of monthly measurements, on thousands of stations often in places of 1,000 people or less. Obviously dozens of minor weather events every single year are going to produce such "daily records", which climate change deniers use to claim that climate is getting colder or not changing, or that all climate info everywhere is just sensationalist press. This is why Wikipedia should try to use words that are instantly relatable, but also don't create confusion. [[User:IvicaInsomniac|IvicaInsomniac]] ([[User talk:IvicaInsomniac|talk]]) 16:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)