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==Moves==
Hi. I took care of your move request, but just want to let you know, in case you don't already, that you can move pages yourself over a redirect, as long as there have been no additional edits to the redirect and it points to the article you want to move. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 22:23, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|Station1}} A Thousand Thanks! I ''didn't'' know that, or I would have done it. I'll try to remember if the occasion arises again. Your help is '''''greatly''''' appreciated! —'''[[User:D'Ranged 1|<span style='color:#660000;'>D'Ranged 1</span>]] | [[User talk:D'Ranged 1|<span style='color:#FF6600;'>V''T<sup>alk</sup>''</span>]]''' : 22:47, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
== Cite parameter spacing ==
You're gone again! Semi-retired? Re-retired?
I've become aware of a script that conveniently allows one to bollox the parameter spacing in an entire article with a few clicks.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&diff=811206947&oldid=811183851] I don't think people can be prevented from using it (it doesn't violate policy AFAIK). The case I linked was undoable, but many won't be. What's needed is a counter-script to restore our convention, but I don't do JS. Do you? Also, do you remember where the convention was discussed? I wasn't involved in that, but I remember you were.
Please ping me. ―[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">☎</span>]] 06:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
: {{Reply to|Mandruss}} - To the best of my knowledge, there is no actual "convention" when it comes to spacing in citations; however, most, if not all, of the CS1 documentation lists full parameter sets this way:
:: <code><nowiki>{{cite web |url= |title= |last= |first= |author= |author-link= |last2= |first2= |author2= |author-link2= |date= |year= |editor-last= |editor-first= |editor= |editor-link= |editor2-last= |editor2-first= |editor2-link= |editors= |department= |website= |series= |publisher= |location= |page= |pages= |at= |language= |script-title= |trans-title= |type= |format= |arxiv= |asin= |bibcode= |doi= |doi-broken-date= |isbn= |issn= |jfm= |jstor= |lccn= |mr= |oclc= |ol= |osti= |pmc= |pmid= |rfc= |ssrn= |zbl= |id= |archive-url= |archive-date= |dead-url= |access-date= |quote= |ref= |postscript= |subscription= |registration=}}</nowiki></code>
: and examples are illustrated this way:
:: <code><nowiki>{{cite web |url=http://www.example.org/ |title=My Favorite Things, Part II |last=Doe |first=John |publisher=Open Publishing |date=April 30, 2005 |website=Encyclopedia of Things |access-date=November 16, 2017}}</nowiki></code>
: My preference has always been to put a space before the pipe as is done in the template examples; gadgets such as refToolbar don't add any spaces; others put a space after the pipe; and some do both. So, to the best of my knowledge, there are currently these variations in major usage:
:: <code><nowiki>{{cite web|first1=John|last1=Author|title=Title|date=April 1, 2017|access-date=November 20, 2017|url=www.website.com}}</nowiki></code>—no spaces—used by RefTools
:: <code><nowiki>{{cite web |first1=John |last1=Author |title=Title |date=April 1, 2017 |access-date=November 20, 2017 |url=www.website.com}}</nowiki></code>—space before pipe
:: <code><nowiki>{{cite web| first1=John| last1=Author| title=Title| date=April 1, 2017| access-date=November 20, 2017| url=www.website.com}}</nowiki></code>—space after pipe
:: <code><nowiki>{{cite web | first1=John | last1=Author | title=Title | date=April 1, 2017 | access-date=November 20, 2017 | url=www.website.com}}</nowiki></code>—space before and after pipe
: The only place I ever see spaces around the "=" signs are when the templates are rendered vertically, as in infoboxes, where enough spaces are added before the "=" to align all of them, with an additional space after the "=" before the value of the parameter:
: {{pre|<nowiki>{{cite web
|first1 = John
|last1 = Author
|title = Title
|date = April 1, 2017
|access-date = November 20, 2017
|url = www.website.com}}</nowiki>}}
: Rather than trying to create a counter-script, perhaps its author, Waldir, could be asked what prompted his creation of a totally unnecessary script that adds useless space and size to articles? It's beyond ridiculous, but I'm not up to tilting at windmills at Wikipedia at the moment. I'm actually copyediting a book due for publication sometime soon and it's taking more of my time than I thought, so WP has been put on a back burner for the foreseeable future. If you're up to the challenge, I suggest posting something at [[Help talk:Citation Style 1]] that includes the link to the article you provided here, along with queries for the script's author, {{nobreak|[[User talk:Waldir]]}} and the editor who used it on the linked article, {{nobreak|[[User talk:Checkingfax]]}}.
: On a side note, I disagree with the removal of all the {{para|archive-url}} parameters that were added to the citations with the argument that it made an already long article too long, but I don't have the time nor energy to tilt at ''that'' windmill, either.—'''[[User:D'Ranged 1|<span style='color:#660000;'>D'Ranged 1</span>]] | [[User talk:D'Ranged 1|<span style='color:#FF6600;'>V''T<sup>alk</sup>''</span>]]''' : 10:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Ok, thanks. I mistakenly thought there had been discussion about the merits of the space-before-pipe format, having to do with line breaks at "natural" points or some such. I was looking for a better articulation of those merits than I'm able to produce myself. ―[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">☎</span>]] 10:54, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::: {{Reply to|Mandruss}} Sorry, I don't know of any such discussion; there's certainly never been a ''consensus'' on how to space citations, nor do I think there will ever be one. However, I think a valid argument can be made that using the script adds unnecessary size to an article, as a start. I don't see that it adds any readability or other positives to citations, either.—'''[[User:D'Ranged 1|<span style='color:#660000;'>D'Ranged 1</span>]] | [[User talk:D'Ranged 1|<span style='color:#FF6600;'>V''T<sup>alk</sup>''</span>]]''' : 11:00, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Yeah. Some editors will claim that it adds readability. But I'll likewise avoid that windmill if I can. BTW [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:D%27Ranged_1&diff=811240492&oldid=811240424 added pings] don't work, as described at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Echo#Technical_details. ―[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">☎</span>]] 11:24, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
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