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:::I am planning to start editing that article on saturday, would need your help to brush up the language. I would make a rough sketch which could be developed later as we get more material.[[User:Jogibaba|Jogibaba]] ([[User talk:Jogibaba|talk]]) 11:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Go ahead Qaleechpuri, everything is ready now.[[User:Jogibaba|Jogibaba]] ([[User talk:Jogibaba|talk]]) 22:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
===Jatt===
hello, i do wish to discuss but before we are complete with our discussion i hope u donot print things about which you donot wish to have knowledge. As a fellow brother of the community it is my request to you, rise above this petty religion-ism and region-ism.Which individuals exploit.
I donot know whether you are from Pakistan punjab or Indian Punjab but yes you are one of my own. People misguide others so that they can take advantage of factionalism I request you to read some books of famous authors. Do some extensive research.There is already a Jat People article on wiki and i may say you are not reading it carefully.
I donot know whether you are of Islamic or khalistani belief but being in UK , i expect that you know something called study of genes or genetic science. If you wish to politice the Jat identity to Jatt which is a regional slang word. Then I am sorry I will do what is correct. Hope you have read about bhagat singh and his work, he talked exactly what I am talking.
I urge you to read , first read. Because such articles are misguiding to younger generations which is unacceptable. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sheokhandaa|Sheokhandaa]] ([[User talk:Sheokhandaa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sheokhandaa|contribs]]) 12:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:hello thx for responding. firstly religion is not an issue with me i look at a persons heart then make judgments i neither belong to khalistani or any pakistani movements. my main point is that Jatts of punjab are a very mixed people especially with foreign blood living near the border to iran afghanistan all invaders into india have had to cross paths with us. my own village is called Qaleechpur and we have strong mixing with mughals and Jatt people but still retain Jatt identity. that is what i meant by we have slightly different history from Jaats the Jatts of eastern Punjab are also mixed when they were darbaris of moghuls but also eastern/western Jatts do share more in common as we were all from one stock. most sikh Jatts came from western punjab in lahore and surrounding areas not from rajasthan or haryana hence we speak same language and have same music and even literature for example warris shahs heer ranjha and sassi punnu sohni mahiwal these are all punjabi folklore and not rajasthani or sindhi. however after all this i do believe the Jaats are not entirely distinct from Jatts maybe you represent the original Jat that was found in sind on arab invasion. We can have a Jatt article which will also support and acknowledge the Jat people as my intention was not to cause division or problems. if you likeyou can let me finish the article and then see what u think and i will follow your advise not to cause division in the minds of youngsters--[[User:Qaleechpuri|Qaleechpuri]] ([[User talk:Qaleechpuri#top|talk]]) 12:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
This to inform you that my fore fathers came from lahore in 14 century and some settled in the Haryana's jind and some in delhi. Similarly may mom side came from Rajasthan, who had eventually migrated from sindh during invasions from arab lands. You talk of inter- marriage. I ask you if a jatt who migrated from punjab in 18th century marries in UK and another one in Canada does the same thing. Then will the offspring be different in today's era, inspite of the fact that might call them Jat oR zaataa or Jatt or jaaaaat ?
as per your point of saying the surname, well again since you are from Pakistan side therefore you might not be able to come and research in India, many of the surnames are same. As for those who changed there surname, then let us say they are of those personalities who wished to intermingle or wanted to be cool just like many of your friends do in UK or north America. eg: sibi became sivi then shivi then sheokhanda or sheoran then shokeen. Then you can write rathi as rathee and chahal is muslim, sikh and hindu.
The customs difference also comes from religious differences or regionalism. Do you know the Kurds have the same situation where their population is divided in 3 countries.
Your comment about Rajputs and Jatt well, Rajput that too hindu Rajput call himself PURE blood rajput and no one other than that they accept are pure, so if you talk to a hindu rajput that might not hold true. But yes if you go beyond 8 century you will find no trace of rajput existence, so I would say that they were Jat who said yes to bhraminical influences and started to live life according to their rules.
You talk of Heer and Ranjha ,but you donot know how many jats of India talk fondly about them and are proud to call them of their own.It is their tale that they tell to their children about love.
Brother just because a person wears American clothes and eats burgers and talks in english doesn't mean that he ceases to be a south asian. I donot know either of the regional languages of jats, I know english, french and hindi only but can't write hindi. So by that definition will I be called a separate Jat ? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sheokhandaa|Sheokhandaa]] ([[User talk:Sheokhandaa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sheokhandaa|contribs]]) 13:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: well so according to you we dont have a right to write about our history but rather only you do? now Jatt is pronounced with a hard double T at end while your tribe is called Jaat which in sanskrit/hindi means caste. Jatt does not mean caste in punjabi it is a tribe of people who speak Punjabi. another point is that there is not a singular proof that Jatts were ever followers of the vedas but rather they had their own belief system of ancestor worship while all the Jaats are followers of vedas and you will hardly any Jatts who follow the vedas they are either sikh or follower of sufi babas. i wish to write about the Jatt tribe not the Jaat tribe. now please stop hijacking my article without my permission!
There you go with that religion.I knew you had religion in mind. The caste thing that you say. I can't help but laugh. But you still didn't give me the answer to my question ? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sheokhandaa|Sheokhandaa]] ([[User talk:Sheokhandaa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sheokhandaa|contribs]]) 14:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
what you want is here in [[Jat Muslim|Jat muslim]] article, go ahead at do whatever you want to it. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sheokhandaa|Sheokhandaa]] ([[User talk:Sheokhandaa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sheokhandaa|contribs]]) 14:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: i,m kindly requesting you to stop editing my article you are free to write whatever mythology and stories on the Jat people as you do. we wish to base history on facts and proof on Jatt tribe of Punjab --[[User:Qaleechpuri|Qaleechpuri]] ([[User talk:Qaleechpuri#top|talk]]) 10:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
again you didn't give answer to my question,who say that you are the only jatt here. I am also a jatt when call a Jat in punjabi it becomes jatt... but answer me first... I don't believe in any religion you do, so i am not even a hindu... I am an atheist much like [[Bhagat Singh|bhagat singh]].See you have got a different country and different page [[Jat Muslims|Jat muslims]] why donot you write whatever over there.
Since Jatt is a race and it is very clear that you donot have a scientific mind, then focus your religion on that page. Blood is always thicker than water brother remember that. You want different religion so be it, you want different country so be it.I can understand how a religion plays in Pakistan and brainwashing you get about history.
i sense you have some serious insecurities here because you are writing the history of a people who have a different history to you. when churaman was king what did he have to do with the Jatts of punjab ? there was no connection between churamans kingdom and the Jatts of punjab you seem to think you have a right to write the history of my people . your people migration occurred over a 1000yrs ago into rajputna and haryana while the true Jatts are still where they were when mohd bin qasim invaded when timur invaded and the rest of the invaders mentioned us as being in Punjab .
now my article is about the Jatt people of Punjab who have no tribe living in rajastan or in haryana this is not based on any relgious bias as my article clearly showed none my point of bringing in religion was that if you are such a pure unpolluted Jat are the sole role model of your people why is it you follow a faith that is practically new to your community as there are no references to state that Jats were ever hindus rather on the contrary they had their own faith and had youy let me finish my article all would have come to light with references and proofs instead you have stuck all your haryanvi junk of an article into mine after repeatedly being requested not to.
'''again no answer to our question''' and who said some one is Haryanvi, Pakistanis need not talk about Indian states. What you want to write is about [[Muslim Jat of Punjab|Pakistani Punjabi Jatt]], then write that not anything else.Your selectively pin pointing on things will not help much as there are other kings to which are mentioned in the article. Going by your definition [[Muslim Rajputs]] are different from [[Rajputs]] of rest of India.
[[Muslim Jat]] page is here and you can write you mythological statement here especially those in which upon converting to Islam you gave away you daughters in return of lands. Since you also donot have understanding of the Jatt in India who follow Hindiusm then refrain from talking about them. Jats never really followed any religion and today too they are not much into it though the [[Arya Samaj|arya samaj culture]] is heavily imbibed in it. What must be bothering you more is the fact the truth that HIndu converted to Muslims. The things that you target sikhs about them getting converted from Muslims. Anyway we donot expect anything from a Pakistani to understand thing about India's past because you wanted a separate country.
Your statement about new religion that is equating [[Bhagat Singh|Bhagat singh]] to something else is true to your Paki nature.As far as Insecurities is concerned we guess you are plagued with it (Pakistani have that), you attempts to create new identity is a good reflection of that. The elite of Pakistan has always had issues with Indians. Write about [[Muslim Jat of Punjab|Pakistani Jatt]] , that is what you are truly writing about. Your attempt is by nature of a Pakistani to misrepresent a fact.The article you call your is not your but your act to misrepresent the facts just the way Jihads do using names to fulfill their own political vendetta. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sheokhandaa|Sheokhandaa]] ([[User talk:Sheokhandaa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sheokhandaa|contribs]]) 10:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
i am not equating bhagat singh with anything my article was at its start point and never touched on any religious bias and you sure though it was worthy of being included in your fairytale article. it is actual fact that Jaats as you are really called are inventing most of their history which have no historical bases. my main objec was to state what has been written by british ethnographers on the Jatt tribe of Punjab not no Jaat people and according to your article majority of Jatts are muslims and live in Pak Punjab so doesnt that give us the bloody right to write on our own tribe!!!! now keep OFF from my article !!!!
your attempt to again and again to add that extra "a" while talking to me and adding an extra "T" while referring yourself is again an indication of the [[linguistic]] barriers that you wish to create.It is understandable how you think , [[Socrates]] once said that if you leave a man in the room his entire life he will say that the room is entire universe and so goes this case for you.You additionally also donot have any knowledge whatsoever about Linguistics research. Your attempt to call all this a [[British]] [[ethnographers]] misrepresentation is again your way of saying that you and only you are correct and the whole world is wrong,again a classical Pakistani behavioral characteristic. You are more than free to write about [[Muslim Jat|Pakistani Muslim Jatt]], no one is stopping you, give your valuable contribution. Everyone would love to see how it unfolds. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sheokhandaa|Sheokhandaa]] ([[User talk:Sheokhandaa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sheokhandaa|contribs]]) 12:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==Jatt/Jat==
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