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Line 10: \| minthreadstoarchive=1 }} {{Contentious topics/aware\|blp\|ap\|gg}} == [[Brendan O'Neill (columnist)\|Brendan O'Neill]] == ~~== Mooji page ==~~ Look, I get it. You wish there wasn't an article about O'Neill at all. In reality, however, Wikipedia includes articles about people that you don't like. I already discussed this on the talk page and no objections were raised - not even from you. At this point, it's obvious that you are going to revert my revisions no matter what, even though I have reliable sources to back them up and good reason to include them.--[[User:LadybugStardust\|LadybugStardust]] ([[User talk:LadybugStardust\|talk]]) 22:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC) ~~Hi Woodroar,~~ :As far as I know, I'd never heard of Brendan O'Neill until I saw the recent thread on RSN. He does appear to meet our notability requirements so I'm glad that the article exists. What I care about most is that the article complies with all of our policies and guidelines, particularly when it comes to claims about living persons. That includes requiring top-tier sources for claims that are controversial or negative, balancing the weight of sources, and fairly summarizing what reliable sources say. I have no problem removing poorly-sourced controversial/negative claims from articles about people I dislike, or, for that matter, removing poorly-sourced puffery from articles about people I like. [[User:Woodroar\|Woodroar]] ([[User talk:Woodroar#top\|talk]]) 22:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC) ~~My name is Siddhartha, I help to look after the online presence for Mooji, and I've recently been having a look at Mooji's wikipedia page and some of the history behind it.~~ ::One of the sources that I cited literally has O'Neill saying "Free speech is absolute" IN THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE, so the claim that none of the sources say that he takes a free speech absolutist position is completely false. There is also no just cause for claiming that the source on abortion is a "misrepresentation" (in what possible way is it?). I have tried to work this out with you on the talk page and you have refused to do so.--[[User:LadybugStardust\|LadybugStardust]] ([[User talk:LadybugStardust\|talk]]) 23:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC) ~~Thank you for the work you've put into looking after this page and moderating some of the edits.~~ :::I've replied at [[Talk:Brendan O'Neill (columnist)]]. Going forward, please use the article talk page for all discussions about the article. [[User:Woodroar\|Woodroar]] ([[User talk:Woodroar#top\|talk]]) 23:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC) == Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C == I wanted to ask your advice for improving the page, as I would rather not make edits only to find out they don't meet Wikipedia's standards. However, I do have two main concerns with the article as it stands now, and I'm very keen to get your feedback and suggestions for how to address them. <section begin="announcement-content" /> ~~1. There seems to be a strong emphasis on the monetary aspect of Mooji's satsangs~~ :''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024/Announcement – vote reminder\|You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.]] [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024/Announcement – vote reminder}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]'' Dear Wikimedian, I find this emphasis a bit suggestive in a negative way, insinuating that Mooji's teachings are just about making money. I'm not sure why it is relevant to list the number of people coming to retreats, how much they are paying, the number of hectares of Mooji's retreat center, the annual income of the organisation, etc. You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process. ~~I feel some implicit bias in the way this information is highlighted, but I'd be happy to hear what you think about it.~~ This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. Read the information on the [[m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024\|voting page on Meta-wiki]] to learn more about voting and voter eligibility. ~~2. Poor and vague representation of Mooji's teachings~~ The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please [[m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Charter\|review the U4C Charter]]. I find that most of the descriptions of Mooji's teachings revolve around journalists' subjective experiences of attending a talk. For example, it's attended mainly by "mostly well-off whites", it's a "riff on faith", his focus is totally on you "making you feel like you really matter"... and so on. Please share this message with members of your community so they can participate as well. ~~It's reasonable to include impressions and experiences, but seems misleading to present these opinions as a description of Mooji's teachings.~~ On behalf of the UCoC project team,<section end="announcement-content" /> With so much of Mooji's teachings publicly available on YouTube or succinctly explained in his books, it feels to me that Wikipedia should give a clearer overview of what Mooji's teachings actually are. [[m:User:RamzyM (WMF)\|RamzyM (WMF)]] 23:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC) ~~I found the page of [[Gangaji]], a comparable teacher, to be a good example of what I would expect to see on the Wikipedia page of a well known spiritual teacher.~~ <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2024/Previous_voters_list_2&oldid=26721207 --> == Too confusing with the YouTube source on the Alexa Nikolas page == ~~I'm happy to draft an overview of Mooji's core teachings that references source material, if that could help.~~ I was bummed when you reverted my edit on the [[Alexa Nikolas]] page when I said I had proof that Alexa's middle name is Helen. If you reverted my edits, then why are there YouTube sources on that page. Go check them out on that page. [[User:Chidie345\|Chidie345]] ([[User talk:Chidie345\|talk]]) 04:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC) :Never mind. I found out that it had nothing to do with the sources. It was the documents. Technically, Alexa just censored her home address on her restraining order document to keep it private. [[User:Chidie345\|Chidie345]] ([[User talk:Chidie345\|talk]]) 04:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC) Again, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts about these points. I feel the article could give a deeper insight into who Mooji is and what he is sharing without losing its objectivity. Would be very grateful for any help along these lines. ::For our purposes, it really doesn't matter if she censored one thing and not another. On Wikipedia, we simply can't use documents like that to support claims about living persons. I urge you to read through our [[WP:BLP\|policy on content about living persons]] if you're going to be editing articles about them. I hope this helps. Cheers! [[User:Woodroar\|Woodroar]] ([[User talk:Woodroar#top\|talk]]) 13:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC) I'm sorry if this is a bit much, but I'm hoping that asking for help from someone experienced in editing and moderating Wikipedia pages would be more effective than trying to make or fight for changes on my own. ~~Wishing you all the best,~~ ~~Siddhartha [[User:Siddcorsus\|Siddcorsus]] ([[User talk:Siddcorsus\|talk]]) 18:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)~~ :Hi [[User:Siddcorsus\|Siddcorsus]], thanks for reaching out, and for mentioning your own [[WP:COI\|conflict of interest]] on this subject. (Many editors don't!) In general, articles on Wikipedia should be based on reliable, independent, secondary sources. That means news articles, scientific journals, books from reputable publishers, and so on. We can use primary sources—for example, the subject's verified social media posts or interviews—to fill in very basic details, like their birthdate or gender identity. If what the subject claims is different from what reliable secondary sources claim—say, conflicts over a birth year/age—we generally trust those secondary sources. What we, as editors, can't do is analyze or synthesize primary materials like the subject's teachings. Unfortunately, if secondary sources tend to focus on the monetary side of things or they misunderstand some teachings, that's not something we can fix. In that case, your best course of action would be to reach out to those news outlets, or perhaps request coverage from other reliable sources. :You mentioned our article on [[Gangaji]], which I've never seen before. I'll be honest, it's pretty bad. It's largely based on primary sources, and plenty of claims aren't sourced at all. The article's history shows a great deal of promotional editing, too. That's essentially the opposite of what a Wikipedia article should be. Our article on Mooji, on the other hand, has been mentioned at high-profile discussion pages like our [[WP:BLPN\|noticeboard on articles about living persons]] and the consensus among seasoned editors has been that it meets our standards. :I've left a welcome message on your User Talk page. You can click on "Learn more about editing" for an introduction to why we do what we do, but please let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers! [[User:Woodroar\|Woodroar]] ([[User talk:Woodroar#top\|talk]]) 21:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)