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Add markup for Satirical Articles (or as a subtype of NewsArticle, SatiricalNewsArticle) #1437

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danbri opened this issue Nov 18, 2016 · 16 comments
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Add markup for Satirical Articles (or as a subtype of NewsArticle, SatiricalNewsArticle) #1437

danbri opened this issue Nov 18, 2016 · 16 comments
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danbri commented Nov 18, 2016 •
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Back in 2012, I proposed a "vocab idea: SatiricalArticle" for schema.org.

As Jason Douglas put it at the time,

so essentially you're looking for the schema.org equivalent to ;-) ?

At the time of the original 2012 proposal we had fairly detailed discussions but eventually did not progress the idea, in large part because it was unclear what incentive satirical publishers might have for including the markup.

In 2016 the environment is somewhat different, and satirical news publishers may have some incentive to distinguish themselves from sites that falsely claim their innacurate stories to be true.

There were some useful suggestions that included official codes from IPTC (for news) and from EBU for TV/media, based on the idea that we can model these as a particular well-known genre. While expressing a mapping to those codes would be useful I suggest we optimize for publisher simplicity here, and address the basic case of satirical news articles through a subtype of NewsArticle called SatiricalNewsArticle.

This would complement the recent success of schema.org's fact checking markup, which adds a subtype of Review called ClaimReview (and lists the specific claimReviewed), and would be highly topical given recent widespread attention to the problem of fake news. /cc #1061
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rvguha commented Nov 18, 2016

This is a great idea. Lets do it!

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danbri commented Nov 18, 2016

Aye aye cap'n

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@danbri NO NO NO ! Lets use the defacto global standard of Star Wars ! (not Star Trek)

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danbri commented Nov 18, 2016

We're more in the Pirates of the Caribbean tradition around here

And thirdly, the Code is more what you'd call “guidelines” than actual rules.

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bquinn commented Nov 21, 2016

If you were waiting for the opportune moment, that was it!

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rvguha commented Nov 21, 2016

I would prefer Star Trek.

https://www.quora.com/Which-is-better-and-why-Star-Wars-or-Star-Trek

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ghost commented Nov 21, 2016

Kinda enjoying Potter references atm...

What about fiction, nonfiction + subtype: genre + Style?

I was thinking about genre: news, style: Article being a content genre /
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Others could be Style: report Style: liveCoverage

Etc.

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Nb: https://schema.org/publication. Looks like it could be updated?

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danbri commented Nov 21, 2016

re genre, while we should be clear how to use genre for these things I'd suggest for usability/simplicity reasons a type is worth it here.

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ghost commented Nov 21, 2016 •
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More useful than first considered...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genre

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seeAlso: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genres

Ie:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythic_fiction
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_fantasy

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danbri commented May 11, 2017

drafted for pending section, http://webschemas.org/SatiricalArticle

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danbri commented Aug 1, 2020

This is released. We can close the issue and revisit as Pending section is reviewed periodically

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bquinn commented Aug 3, 2020

FYI earlier in 2020 we added http://cv.iptc.org/newscodes/genre/Satire to the IPTC genre vocabulary, as well as some other new entries like http://cv.iptc.org/newscodes/genre/Sponsored and http://cv.iptc.org/newscodes/genre/Supported.

But I agree that it makes sense to add SatiricalArticle as a type here.

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