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== Umum ==
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; VisualEditor téh naon?
:VisualEditor nyaéta inisiatif pamekaran sopwér ti Wikimedia Foundation anu mantuan kontributor pikeun ngédit dina MediaWiki tanpa kudu diajar rumpaka/sintaks wikitext. Nulis maké VisualEditor sarupa jeung nulis dina program nulis dina komputer sakumaha biasa.
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:VisualEditor is a software development initiative by the Wikimedia Foundation that will allow people to edit pages in MediaWiki without needing to learn wikitext syntax.
</div> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">With VisualEditor, formatting pages will work very similarly to a word processor.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">While editing, the page will look very similar to what the page will look like after it is saved.</span>
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;Why is this change being made?
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:The complex wiki markup syntax used by the old editing window is the [[strategy:Former Contributors Survey Results#Key findings|biggest barrier]] to making the first edit, and therefore the biggest barrier to beginning the path that could lead to someone's becoming a productive, experienced member of the editing community.
</div> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">To increase the number of successful first attempts at editing, we need a better editing system.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Please read our [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor/Portal/Why|longer explanation]] for more details.</span>
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; Where do I go to learn more about using VisualEditor?
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: Please see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/User guide|VisualEditor User guide]].
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; When will VisualEditor be enabled on my wiki?
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: The current schedule for future rollouts is posted at [[VisualEditor/Rollouts|VisualEditor/Rollouts]].
</div> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">More than half of Wikipedias received VisualEditor as an option for all users during 2013.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">VisualEditor is available as an opt-in [[Special:MyLanguage/Beta Features|Beta Feature]] to almost all logged-in users at all Wikimedia Foundation projects.</span>
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; Why are you deploying the software even though development is not finished?
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:The software has features to be added and issues to be resolved.
</div> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Ultimately, the best way to detect bugs and identify missing features is to have as many people as possible using the software and playing with it.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">While we know that bugs are disruptive in the short term, they will be fixed, and the current use is what lets us identify things that need fixing.</span>
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; I found an issue with VisualEditor. How can I tell you to fix it?
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: If you're willing and able, please [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/How to report a bug|report the issue in Phabricator]] in the [[phab:tag/visualeditor/|"VisualEditor" product]].
</div> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Most large Wikipedias also have a wiki page dedicated to feedback about VisualEditor; [[d:Q12060906|see the list on Wikidata]].</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">There is also a [[VisualEditor/Feedback|central feedback page]] on mediawiki.org.</span>
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; How do I disable VisualEditor?
: To continue to edit the wikitext directly, simply click the "{{int|visualeditor-ca-editsource}}" button instead of "{{int|edit}}". On section edit links, you can open the classic wikitext editor for that section by clicking "{{int|visualeditor-ca-editsource-section}}" instead of the regular "{{int|editsection}}" link.
</div> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">On wikis where VisualEditor is still a Beta Feature, you can simply uncheck its box in the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|Beta tab]] of your Preferences; on the other wikis, you can check the ''Temporarily disable VisualEditor while it is in beta'' box from the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|Editing tab]] instead.</span> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
; A feature is missing in VisualEditor. How do I ask you to add it?
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: Some features are currently being developed or planned.
</div> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">The [[mw:VisualEditor/Roadmap|Roadmap]], the [[mw:Wikimedia_Engineering/2015-16_Goals|Wikimedia Engineering goals pages]] for 2015–2016 and the [[phab:tag/visualeditor/|Phabricator workboard]] provide some additional information as well.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">If you can't find any reference to the new feature you'd like to suggest, please submit it using the same process used to report an issue.</span>
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; Will it still be possible to edit using wikitext after VisualEditor becomes the primary editing interface?
: Yes. While VisualEditor will eventually be offered to all users by default, a method for editing the underlying “source” text will continue to exist. There are no plans to remove wikitext editing.
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;Can I use familiar wikimarkup like <nowiki>[[ ]]</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{ }}</nowiki> in VisualEditor?
:No. Currently, those shortcuts will trigger the link and the template tool respectively. If you use wikimarkup in the article, a warning message will appear. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/User guide|VisualEditor User guide]] for more about how to use VisualEditor.
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; Why is my browser not supported?
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: Building a modern editing interface for Wikipedia and its sister wiki is a technical challenge, but it's possible using modern web technologies and standards.
</div> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Unfortunately, some browsers don't support many of the features we need for VisualEditor.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We're doing our best to support the most common browsers: VisualEditor works well with recent versions of the most popular web browsers: Firefox 15 and up; Iceweasel 10 and up; Safari 7 and up; Chrome 19 and up; Opera 15 and up; Microsoft Internet Explorer 10 and up; Edge 12 and up.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">In some browsers, such as Internet Explorer 9, a warning message will still show up, but users shouldn't experience any major problems editing.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Trying to work around the limitations of older browsers would divert resources from improvements that would benefit the majority of users.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">We encourage you to upgrade to a supported browser and, if you can't, to continue to edit using the source wikitext editor.</span> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">(See [[VisualEditor/Target browser matrix|target browser matrix]] for specific details.)</span>
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; Does VisualEditor work with Wikisource's ProofreadPage, or Wiktionary's templates, and other features that Wikipedia doesn't have?
: VisualEditor is flexible enough to be adapted to all Wikimedia sites. However, Wiktionary's heavy reliance on templates will require significant work by community members to provide TemplateData to their users, and Wikisource's ProofreadPage tool will require some additional work to integrate VisualEditor smoothly.
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; Can I install VisualEditor on my personal wiki outside Wikimedia?
: Yes, at your own risk.
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;Does VisualEditor make automatic fixes to pages?
:In most cases, VisualEditor will not make changes to formatting on lines that are not being directly edited. In cases where markup already on the page is handled incorrectly (for example, with tables that are not closed), it may attempt to correct these.
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=== Talk pages ===
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;Will the visual editor be enabled on talk pages?
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:No. This question comes up quite often.
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:* The visual editor is designed to edit content, plain pages of text.
</div><ref name=source><span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Based on James Forrester's [[mailarchive:wikimedia-l/2016-June/084560.html|message on wikimedia-l mailing-list]], June 2016</span></ref>
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:** Talk pages aren't content. Many of the tools and design patterns that make VE nice to use to edit content make it poor to use for discussions.
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:** To make it usable for discussions, we would have to remove or break many of those patterns in VE. We have spent a lot of time researching with users what works best there.
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:* VE can't deal with structured discussions and plain-text discussions are not structured discussions.
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:** Discussions like they are on traditional talk pages are not structured discussions from a technical perspective, despite the fact there is a certain number of colons or bullet points added to each answer to provide a pseudo-structure. With the current design of classical discussions, a piece of software can't know who has replied to whom – only humans can. There is no real connection between posts (which post is the parent/child of which), which is the definition of a structured discussion.
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">{{ll|Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools}} is the default talk page system provided with MediaWiki.</span>
<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">It is the default discussion system at all Wikimedia wikis.</span>
<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">It is available on the desktop and mobile web site, but not in {{ll|Wikimedia Apps}}.</span>
<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">DiscussionTools provide a set of tools to participate to discussions, with visual and wikitext editing modes.</span>
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;<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Will the visual editor be enabled on namespaces that also host discussions?</span>
:<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">This is the case of a good number of community boards, like village pumps, hosted under the Wikipedia: namespace.</span>
:<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">The visual editor [[#talk|has not been designed to edit discussions]].</span>
:<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">With the deployment of {{ll|Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools}}, it is possible to deploy the visual editor to Wikipedia namespace and to namespaces where conversations happen.</span> However, editing or participating into discussions using the "edit" button will trigger limitations, like breaking indentations or page setup.
:<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">It is possible to deploy the visual editor to these namespaces, ''only'' if communities acknowledge of these limitations, and accept that the editing team will not be prioritizing any issues that emerge as a result of people using the visual editor in namespace it hasn't been designed for.</span>
:{{ll|Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools}} will be available on any page where {{ll|Help:Signatures|signatures}} are present and either:
:* The <code><nowiki>__NEWSECTIONLINK__</nowiki></code> {{ll|Help:Magic words|magic word}} is present
:* <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">The page exists in a namespace that project has declared as a {{ll|Manual:$wgExtraSignatureNamespaces|signature namespace}}</span>
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==Community resources==
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;<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Where can I read more about what communities can do to adapt the visual editor to their sites?</span>
:<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">You can find a sort of "checklist" [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/VE as the main editor|here on mediawiki.org]].</span>
;<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Where can I find people experienced in this kind of effort?</span>
:<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">There is a list of names at [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/Community Taskforce|Community Taskforce]].</span>
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== Miscellaneous ==
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;My question isn't here. Where do I ask?
:You can ask on the VisualEditor feedback page on your wiki ([[d:Q12060906|see the list on Wikidata]]) or on the [[VisualEditor/Feedback|central feedback page]] on mediawiki.org.
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== References ==
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