User talk:Kahuroa: Difference between revisions

Kia ora, mema rēhitatia nama 113!

Haeremai, talofa, Willkommen, bienvenue, moin moin, welcome

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That's my standard welcome, not entirely appropriate for someone so clearly proficient in Te Reo.

Please help to improve the models on Wikipedia:Tauira so as to give us beginners more confidence.

(Related and probably better reasons for qualified people such as you to improve those models, and to create more if possible, are so that we learners don't repeat errors in other articles and so that we can help correct existing errors. Robin Patterson 03:17, 16 Pipiri 2006 (UTC))

I will respond to your various excellent-looking contributions after more study. Just as well I bought myself a Williams last month! (Some of the response will be to create links in much of the Te Aroha article.)

Ka kite, e hoa.

Robin Patterson 02:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Second welcome

I would also like to welcome you to Wikipedia Maori, it is nice to have someone so proficient in Te Reo. I am currently an admin here, so if you need anything, please feel free to ask. A sidenote: I use to live in Te Aroha (for 7 years), and even I just learnt something, by reading your article on Te Aroha.

One again welcome Heoi anō; nā Brian (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

PS, if you have a second, could you please see Wikipedia:Waitohu, a Korero, about our Waitohu (logo)

Your points on my talk page have been answered there

Simpler than copying to here when there are substantial paragraphs. Robin Patterson 12:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Being made an administrator without seeking the position

Happened to me. Now it has happened to you. See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship.

You can edit protected pages and protect others (but that's very seldom done). You can instantly "rollback" spam and vandalism and block the perpetrators. You can do your own tinkering with the MediaWiki namespace, though some of us existing admins have recently shown that we are usually happy to adopt your ideas on that.

Ka kite. Robin Patterson 02:53, 13 Kohi-tātea 2006 (UTC)

Kia ora!

Rawe! Kia ora koutou! Kahuroa 05:23, 13 Kohi-tātea 2006 (UTC)

"He" instead of "Ētahi"

Your recent change on the "Tauira" page http://mi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Tauira&curid=2439&diff=9432&oldid=8056 looks as if there's a subtle difference that may save me some time - please explain. Robin Patterson 19:25, 15 Kohi-tātea 2006 (UTC)

Basically it feels slightly unidiomatic to use ētahi here. Kind of subtle - he - indefinite non-specific article - translated into English as 'a' or 'some'. 'Ētahi' - can also be translated 'some' but can imply that you have certain ones of them in mind - but here you're pointing to all of them and not intending to single any out. So 'some examples' -'he tauira'. That feels idiomatic to me. 'Ētahi tauira' is more like 'certain examples' and feels like a translation by an English speaker wanting the plural-ness to be more overtly marked. Not sure that you often see (t)ētahi beginning a sentence when the item(s) have not been referred to previously in some way in the conversation. And Māori does treat definiteness/specificity and their opposites differently than English in any case.

Thank you. That will save me a few seconds on many future occasions, I think. It may be a recent development in the language, because "he" is mentioned only as a singular under "Particles" on p 9 of Ngata's Maori Grammar and Conversation (c 1936). Robin Patterson 00:33, 18 Kohi-tātea 2006 (UTC)

Not recent - I've done a lot of work with early 19C manuscripts and 'he' is def not just a singular; I think that goes for the closely related languages in tropical Polynesia as well. So Ngata's book put you crook - hmmm. Quaint, but not really regarded as authoritive. Have you had a squizz at The Reed Reference Grammar of Maori by Winifred Bauer, 1997. Kahuroa 05:00, 18 Kohi-tātea 2006 (UTC)

Nekehia

Ka pai, "noob"! Robin Patterson 00:33, 18 Kohi-tātea 2006 (UTC)

Kurów

Could you please write a stub http://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w ? Only 2 -5 sentences enough. Please. Pietras1988 15:32, 2 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Very thx for article on maori wiki. Look http://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kur%C3%B3w_%28powiat_pu%C5%82awski%29&action=history. Pietras1988 20:05, 21 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Sidebar and other navigation links

Kia ora, e hoa. You as an administrator can edit "Korero tenei hau" and the others. They're in the MediaWiki namespace, I think. "All system messages"? - http://mi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=8 - http://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Talk

I don't think anybody has disagreed with your recent suggestions for changing some. I'd be pleased if you could do the necessary whakatika.

Ka kite - Robin Patterson 19:25, 9 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Main page - the English fragments

Kia ora, e hoa. I've watched with interest your recent edits. I'd like to make a request about the "Ingarihi" content. A long time ago I wrote the sentence "If your first language is English, you may wish to start with the "Community Portal page". I put it right at the top, in small letters but clear enough to be seen very early in the visit of anyone to whom it applies. Some such people, beginners in Te Reo, could look at several paragraphs of not-too-simple Te Reo and decide "Well, I might have been able to help here but if absolutely everything is in a language I can barely understand I don't think I'll bother." - which would be a pity, because several such people have made most of the contributions so far, as you know.

Then someone recently added another sentence to it. Distracting from the main point, suitable for the Community Portal page but in my opinion not suitable for the top of the Main page.

Then you moved the whole lot down to join another block of Ingarihi. A tidy logical move in principle. However, that other block of Ingarihi has been mostly copied to the Community Portal, I think, and its remainder on the main page is waiting for someone like you to translate and improve it.

Would you mind moving (or letting me move) my original single sentence (small and italic) back to the top?

Respectfully - Robin Patterson 19:17, 12 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Sure, consider it done. I wanted to give Te Reo the precedence it should have - it may be that the prominence given to English may be putting off the fluent speakers. But I bow to your experience of how things work around here; of course I wasn't aware of how the the Ingarihi section had developed. Kahuroa 04:38, 13 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Translate

Thanks for translating the interface. There were a few words that were not okay beforehand :) Heoi anō; nā Brian (talk) 20:34, 12 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Cheers. Some will take some thought: like 'unwatch' and 'unprotect'. English un- is a very powerful device Kahuroa 06:14, 13 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Hau Kāinga mockup

I like it; I also thought we needed some colour on the Hau Kāinga. It’s just got the right amount of English with out going overboard. And it’s in a place where it can be seen. If Robin and other users agree, let’s use it! Heoi anō; nā Brian (talk) 20:19, 15 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

I like it too (though I've not read every word of it and possibly never will). Definitely like the parallel introductions in each language (and I wouldn't mind if you shortened the English version with clear links to other English-language help), and the whole thing looks good overall.
Minor disadvantage of the collapsing of the lists: alpha order goes out the window when the sublists (eg Awa) are merged; maybe they can have a sub-box system, or be grouped in parentheses? An alternative would be to cut them out, but I prefer to leave them in because I think they are successful at this early stage in the project: the number of dead links is very small, which I take to indicate that having familiar names on the front page does seem to get occasional readers to dive in and create stubs.

Ka pai.

Robin Patterson 21:32, 15 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Cheers for the speedy and positive feedback. Will take a look at the sublist issue that Robin raises, and also at alphabetic issues. My first thought is that we may not be able to do too much about it since we're kind of stretching it already with the number of links and the visual impact thereof. (On further thought I think that it is possible to improve it to achieve what you want maybe by reorganising headings slightly or putting in a new heading or two.) I might put this mockup up soonish and maybe also look at doing an alternative based on the current en Wiki homepage. PS I tried to change the sitenotice and the miSitenotice but it had no effect on the welcome etc lines (at the very top of Hau Kāinga) - any hints as to how to do it? Kahuroa 23:15, 15 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

PPS there is room for a small/medium size image on the right hand column - any ideas? Something like a whare or a carving or a waka or whatever [Later edit: or maybe something not so clichéd as my suggestions here!]. A fair amount of blue in the picture would tone in nicely...Kahuroa 23:18, 15 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Can we put a link to en:Portal:New Zealand on the english wikipedia, some where on the design? Heoi anō; nā Brian (talk) 00:20, 16 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Sure, will do. Kahuroa 08:10, 16 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather not have that on the main page - if we get new Te Reo speakers I don't want them being led off to something else interesting that they know a lot about! I was even going to suggest that we could remove the sister projects and reo ke from that page. Put them and the NZ portal link on out Community portal, maybe. Robin Patterson 13:07, 17 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Re Robin's point about the alphabetic order and the subheadings, I have redone the table under 'Mātāpunenga' with bolded subheadings. Works OK for now anyway I think? I don't like making the headings into links tho, it looks odd/ugly in this layout anyway. For the major headings there, I have used the original order, non-alphabetic, starting with Tāngata - would strictly alphabetic order be better or not?? Kahuroa 23:28, 16 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

One could go on tinkering and make it better with each tinker (eg the separation of the Awa - but there were a few chemicals out of order last time I looked carefully); but I think it's good enough to publish - much better than the current one. The "original order" has no particular significance. A few months ago I switched a couple of blocks to balance the columns, but that's not relevant in the new plan. Robin Patterson 13:07, 17 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

If you are going to have "Haere mai ki Wikipedia" in the site notice, you might not want it on the main page as well :)

Also I have updated, and fixed the links on Template:WikipediaSister. Two links go to mi projects, the other ones go to en projects, and would you like to translate it? Heoi anō; nā Brian (talk) 00:44, 18 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Problem at the top

Your note to me. I don't know what bit you want to fix. If it's really part of the (now less colourful) site notice, maybe BrianNZ can help - he's clever with MediaWiki. Now I'm sorry I didn't look at this earlier this evening (or should I say "last evening", at 2 am?); and I'll possibly be out of touch until late Saturday because we are off to Te Papa-i-Oea for daughter's engagement party. Robin Patterson 13:07, 17 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

It's sorted itself - there was some kind of delay in the system. Kahuroa 19:48, 17 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Dates

I hope your recent draft headings don't suggest that you want to express dates with the day number after the marama name! (Good luck with the "daily news" idea; I won't be able to write it but I may be able to offer Reo Ingarihi items for selection.) Robin Patterson 19:21, 21 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

did you mean this for me? Puzzled of Auckland (But some kind of changing content would be good - don't they say that pages that are updated regularly attract the most hits?) Kahuroa 06:37, 22 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:Today's featured article/Hui-tanguru 26, 2006" and similar. That is what I was talking about. You seem to have happily adopted the "26 Hui-tanguru" style in a couple of recent translation marathons, so I'm happy. Robin Patterson 11:39, 26 Hui-tanguru 2006 (UTC)

Hāhi Tika o Ihu

Kia-ora Kahuroa!, unfortunately I cannot speak Māori, but could you help me translate the introduction and subtitles of this article into Māori? Please. --Jose77.

Your help is gratefully appreciated! & May God bless you! -- Jose77, 27 February.

Greetings Kahuroa,

Here is a simplified version of our church beliefs, can you kindly help me translate these passages to Te Reo Māori? Please. (This is my last request to you)

1. Holy Spirit - The church believes that "speaking in tongues" is evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.
2. Baptism - They conduct Baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ with the person's head facing downwards and fully immersed into natural living water.
3. Holy Communion - The Holy Communion is the sacrament to commemorate the death of the Lord Jesus Christ.
4. Sabbath day - Unlike most other Christian denominations, the church keeps the Sabbath on Saturday instead of Sunday.
5. Feet washing - This serves as a constant reminder that one should have love, holiness, humility, forgiveness and service.
6. Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ, the Word who became flesh, died on the cross for the redemption of sinners, resurrected on the third day and ascended to heaven.
7. Holy Bible - consists of the Old and New Testaments and is inspired by God.
8. Salvation is given by the grace of God through faith.
9. Church
10. Final Judgement - "The Lord's Second Coming will take place on the Last Day when He descends from heaven to judge the world".

In return, I can help you translate your favourite articles into the Chinese language.

(I sincerely apologize to you for creating articles with non-Māori content or articles which were directly copied from the Māori Bible - for example: Whakapono Karaitiana, Ihu Karaiti, Nga Kaiwhakaatu o Ihowa, Kauhau i te Maunga, Ngā Manaakitanga and Aroha).

--(aka Jose77)BrianT77 21:27, 7 Here-turi-kōkā 2006 (UTC)

Merging articles?

I've not done more than glance at Poutokomanawa, but it's clearly long enough to remain as a separate article (with a lot of links and a couple of categories, of course). And I've almost certainly not understood every nuance of your response, so I'm not sure what you were proposing to do with it apart from (or as a variation of) "Move into Ngāpuhi article". Leave it separate if at all reasonable, please. (And a thankyou note on the anonymous contributor's page would be a good idea too.) Kia ora. Robin Patterson 20:27, 22 Poutū-te-rangi 2006 (UTC)

The Ngāpuhi article already contains a reference to the poutokomanawa of Ngāpuhi - which is a recitation of the major mountains of the Ngāpuhi rohe. Encyclopedia-wise the headword 'poutokomanawa' should be reserved for the item in question shouldn't it - the main interior prop of a meeting house. Unless you want to rename it 'Poutokomanawa o Ngāpuhi' - but then the headword poutokomanawa would redirect to the PTM of NP. What do you suggest. Thanks for the pic on the main page BTW. Kahuroa 05:39, 23 Poutū-te-rangi 2006 (UTC)

OK, pardon my ignorance (PTM isn't in the Pocket Reed), now I understand - "the headword 'poutokomanawa' should be reserved for the item in question", which I trust you can eventually write a couple of sentences about. Maybe I can write one as a starter if you're not back from holiday soon. First move the current page to 'Poutokomanawa o Ngāpuhi' then edit the "original" redirect to make it a correct article (by all means having a link to "PTM of NP" if you like). Edit the NP page to add the extra words to the link so it goes to 'Poutokomanawa o Ngāpuhi'. Robin Patterson 06:42, 20 Paenga-whāwhā 2006 (UTC)

The pic on the right on Hau Kainga is of a poutokomanawa BTW. I still think that the article should just be merged into Ngāpuhi at the point where ptm of np is mentioned (Maybe as a section) and the PTM of NP be just a redirect. Poutokomanawa could be a disambuguation page or as you say a short article about the ptm of a whare, with a link to NPuhi article. Am not on holiday - English Wiki is taking all my time at the mo - I'm rewriting heaps of stuff Kahuroa 06:43, 21 Paenga-whāwhā 2006 (UTC)

Well, if PTM of NP is unlikely to get bigger, you can insert it into the NP article - but surely the NP article has heaps of potential for growth and might eventually (or even soon) be big enough to want to spin off decent-sized chunks such as PTM of NP? As it's bigger than many encyclopaedia articles it can stand on its own, I'm sure. Robin Patterson 07:37, 21 Paenga-whāwhā 2006 (UTC)

2006, he aha, he aha

Kia ora, e hoa; kei te pehea koe? Robin Patterson 06:42, 20 Paenga-whāwhā 2006 (UTC)

Please have a good look at 2006 and improve wherever it really needs anything so that I can copy or adapt improvements when doing other new or updated "tau". Robin Patterson 06:42, 20 Paenga-whāwhā 2006 (UTC)

Good work; copied elsewhere, as you may have noticed (2004). Robin Patterson 07:37, 21 Paenga-whāwhā 2006 (UTC)

Katowice

Hello. I'm wikipedia redactor from Poland. We do some action for tranlation atricle about one of the biggest polish city simple:Katowice. Could You make some translation into this wikipedia native language of this article ? Just a few senteces. Please. There is source article in English: en:Katowice.

Best Regards.

Stimoroll form Poland

Thank You. He have already over 40 languages. Best Regards. Stimoroll

Wholly

I bet you didn't find that other word in a decent dictionary. Great work recently apart from that! Robin Patterson 07:41, 12 Haratua 2006 (UTC)

Nāku te hē. You know what its like when you look at a word too long - looks wronger and wronger. Kahuroa 10:03, 12 Haratua 2006 (UTC) PS can you help me track down the template or whatever that produces the delete this article as shown in Zergeisterung - I need to correct the Māori. Cheers Kahuroa 10:07, 12 Haratua 2006 (UTC)

(You may have worked out that I don't look at this page often.) I've never within living memory used a "delete" template or similar, though I've seen them in my travels. If it's actually a template, you should be able to see it listed under the page's edit frame. The Mediawiki namespace has http://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Deletepage, which currently says "Delete page", but I expect that's not quite on target and is merely a button label. Robin Patterson 00:45, 25 Haratua 2006 (UTC)

Redirects to properly-macronned page names

Noticed you ocasionally create an unmacronned redirect, an action I thoroughly approve of. But the most recent one was saved several minutes after the proper page was created. In case you are taking unnecessary time, the following two observations may be of help:

1. You can start and even finish creating a page (eg an unmacronned future redirect) from a link on a Preview, not just from one on a saved page.
2. Creating an unmacronned page then moving it to the correct name is probably usually quicker than doing the good one then separately creating a redirect. (Even if we can organise a short template to do the "#REDIRECT [[]]" bit, there's still the problem of how to start the page).

So I:

1. type (or just home in on) a macronless link on a page
2. preview
3. in a new window, follow the link
4. create a stub (saving it) then move it to the correct page name, possibly copying the pagename for pasting over the link on the first page
5. go back and correct the original link then save

That's partly why I'm slow to add macrons to links (even yours!) that could eventually be used to create such a redirect/correct pair.

Robin Patterson 00:45, 25 Haratua 2006 (UTC)

It's not that it takes time, I'm pretty quick at it - typing #REDIRECT etc is no worry for me, as is creating pages. Simple as. Just that on that occasion I took a few minutes to get around to it, as I was juggling several things at the time. Us creative computer types sometimes can be like that. I'm actually on the very high end of computer literate. No need for templates. Kahuroa 05:32, 25 Haratua 2006 (UTC).

He Tapepa Tonu Au!

Tēnā koe, e te whānaunga e noho ana i raro i te marumaru nui o Te Aroha. He pai tonu kia kite i a koe, me ngātehi atu tāngata, e hihiko ana ki te whakamāori mai i ngā rārangi/whiti mai te reo Ingarihi ki roto ki te reo Māori o Aotearoa nei. E hinengaro noa iho ana au ki te mihi ki tāu aumihi, ā, kia whakamōhiotia noatia iho koe kua pāngia tōku ngākau e tāu aumihi. āe, e hoki ake ana ki te whakaupoko, he tapepa tonu nei au ki te whakatikatika haere i ngā rārangi nā runga i tēnei pae tukutuku, he kūware nōku ki te whakamahi tika i ngā whakahau (me kī rā, he commands) i tēnei wāhi. Nō reira, he maha ngāku uihanga e pā ana ki te whakatikanga i tēnei wāhi.

Ko te tūmanako, ka kōrerorero tāua ā tētehi wā i te wā muri.

Nāku noa,

Nā Māori rahi Maori rahi

Tikanga/quality

Thank you for all of today's comments on the project:Tikanga Wikipedia page.

I try to praise more than I query of your work. Please keep at it. Please also use your influence and knowledge to recruit people of similar skill, something I've not succeeded in doing.

You may have noticed that I've added very little textual content now that there are one or two experts active. With your continued attention to the project:tauira pages, some of us learners may be able to produce some more passable stubs in future after going over old ones.

Hotupuku (as with substantial parts of some other pages) was a very early transcription of mine, almost straight out of Ngata's Grammar Book (stated to be based on George Grey's "On the Mythology and Traditions of the New Zealanders"). It's probsbly overdue for overhaul, but its real destination might best be http://mi.wikiquote.org if that ever becomes anything.

Kia ora, e hoa. - Robin Patterson 07:42, 12 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

Hotupuku at least has good reo (apart from the headings) and if you added the references you mention is a good article. You never seem to praise without adding a little poke of some kind, sometimes in the edit summary. It is hard to keep at it. I need help frankly. Could we start by finding out whether someone at English Wiki can write a robot that can flag pages automatically when the no. of redlinks is excessive? The hotowhero flag is not aggressively worded, it just says 'may contain' too many redlinks. We should also protest when certain people put up pages that are just mindless copies of bible chapters or something like that, then they proceed to translate the words (badly) but leave the English grammar intact. Gibberish is the result. And its not even a coherent article to start with - isn't there a 'Wikipedia is not a collection of random information' article on the enWiki? I am sure you have good faith, and I apologise for getting tetchy at times, but I guess I feel a bit overwhelmed at the magnitude of the task. Redlinks at least could be identified automatically. Kahuroa 10:07, 12 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

Hotupuku headings are ripe for improvement. You can guess who wrote them when I tell you the original is in "question and answer" form. Robin Patterson 07:08, 26 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

And I agree that an "article" that mixes Te Reo vocabulary (even if it's OK) with Ingarihi grammar is bad. I suppose the same applies to many of my "year" entries (though with the "list" format there's less grammar), but I try to translate the whole of an item when I revisit the page. Some of your recent upgrades give a helpful lead there. Robin Patterson 07:08, 26 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

More expressions to replace

Oheanika may be about to expire, as hinted in my answer to your question. Now I see a move to make "External links" a bit harder to type (unless I write a template). Is "Hoto-ā-waho" "external" as well as "exterior", and can I see other sites using it that way? Robin Patterson 20:25, 14 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

see Ngata dictionary. Sorry if it is inconvenient, but if you don't like macrons Māori might not be the language for you. Exterior is just 'waho'. Kahuroa 00:12, 15 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

OK, I just did "see Ngata dictionary": no hyphen. "Reed" (1999) gives "ā-waho" as its only rendering of "exterior" but gives nothing for "external". Te Taka Keegan's dictionary is nowhere to be found, though he's still on the CS staff list and seems to be still publishing. Anyway, although the jury seems to be still out or sequestered, I'm confident that all will become clearer eventually. (PS - finding macrons hard to type cannot be equated with not liking them, in my book.) Robin Patterson 01:46, 15 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

Hoto atu means Other links rather than External links. The reason for the change was to translate it properly. Atu doesn't mean external OR exterior. Why do you think it means external? The difference between exterior and external is splitting hairs, either would do as a translation for the phrase, certainly better than 'other' Kahuroa 05:14, 15 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

Well. I don't have access to very many dictionaries, so I won't try to disagree at this stage (but I would still like to see "Hoto-ā-waho" in use somewhere else for reassurance). "Reed" says "atu" means "away (from speaker)"; that's the way the links are going (with "external" not actually a good choice of English word when applied to the links rather than to their targets; "External sites" would be more accurate, but we are too late to change that bit of "en:"}.

Away from the speaker is just one of the meanings of atu. Links away from the speaker applies equally to internal links within Wikipedia. Have a look in Williams, under atu, no 5. Remember Robin, a dictionary can only tell you so much. The real understanding comes from your familiarity with grammar, usage and idiom. BTW, where is "Hoto atu" to be found elsewhere? Kahuroa 09:07, 15 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

Sitenotice

Your recent question. That's this, I presume (having not thought about it for a while):

Haere mai ki Wikipedia

Te mātāpunenga utukore māhorahora

Kua tae ki te 470 ngā tuhi pānui

You could blank it or shorten it or whatever (though I think that "risks" having it overwritten from time to time with messages such as the recent Wikimania message; maybe just replace it with something unobtrusive such as "*" or "-"). Then devise a suitable substitute (along the lines you suggest) to go on the main page. I regret (slightly) not knowing what level of permissions one needs to be able to tinker further with page structure. Probably "developer". en: probably has some of the answers but Meta may have more. Robin Patterson 07:08, 26 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

Cheers - (recording what I've done in case we need to revert) - I blanked the sitenotice so it now no longer appears. Then I made a template HkUpoko as a test and made it the header of Hau Kāinga. The as-yet-unused template SitenoticeTest is roughly in the form I am aiming for (like the Eng Wiki) but there needs to be some more work/thought given to categories before I implement that change Kahuroa 08:34, 26 Pipiri 2006 (UTC)

Whakatika reo

Can you check if this article is OK, thanks[1]

Country infoboxes

I knew "national anthem" had a new translation somewhere! One of us can add the correction when drafting an infobox to go in Wikipedia:Whenua (or even as a plain heading initially) so that we minimise future tedious repetitive corrections. Robin Patterson 20:26, 5 Hōngongoi 2006 (UTC)

Wayne Tamerangi Mulligan

No autobiographies, then? Even if inserted by someone else? Robin Patterson 07:03, 13 Hōngongoi 2006 (UTC)

special:Allmessages

• Hi Kahuroa! Thanks for your message! Please take a look at [2], [3] and its subcategories. We use Betawiki for interface translations in many languages. The site experienced some difficulties in the past but is operational again. If you are using IRC please do not hesitate to join #mediawiki-i18n. Best regards Gangleri · T · m: Th · T 09:24, 1 Here-turi-kōkā 2006 (UTC)