Patriot Kor

Welcome to the Talysh Wikipedia

Hi, Patriot Kor, and also ping @Baskervill, @Vo gne, @Eldarado, @Meksikanets and others.

It's my pleasure to officially welcome you to the Talysh Wikipedia! It's been a long journey, but the Talysh Wikipedia is now officially the newest language edition of Wikipedia. Congratulations and thank you for all your hard work that has led to this point!

All the content from the Incubator has been imported here. The statistics in Special:Statistics haven't been updated yet, but that should happen automatically within a day or so.

This wiki is actually one of the first to be created with a new and faster process – you may have noticed that it only took one day from the official approval by the language committee until the wiki was created. Usually that has taken up to several weeks, but now it happened very fast. The "catch" is that not all configuration is set up yet, that's why you will, for example, see "Wikipedia" in the sitename and logo instead of "Vikipediá", but that will be fixed very soon.

If you notice any issues at all or need help with anything, please let me know. I can't fix everything, but I usually know the people who can.

Best of luck with your brand new Wikipedia! Jon Harald Søby (no-pegət) 10:51, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Jon Harald Søby. I wanted to express our sincere gratitude for your support throughout this journey. We are delighted to finally reach this milestone and open this new language. At least as much as you, we are very happy to open this language. Yes. It's been a very long time. We even went through very difficult situations. But it's nice that we got to this point. We will not forget your support. We understand and welcome all delays. We witnessed that everything went very fast. The problems you mentioned are now very minor problems for us. Thanks again for everything, and for your constant support and contribution. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 13:19, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

Name of Wikipedia in Talysh

Hi again! :-D

In m:Talk:Language committee#Notification about proposed approval of Talysh Wikipedia, you asked us to change the logo to say "VİKİPEDİÁ", which I did. But now there is a mismatch between what is in the logo and what the project namespace (pages like "Wikipedia:Administrators") is set to be (Vikipediá vs. Vikipediya). They should ideally be the same. So which one should we use for the namespace name? We can add aliases for the other name without problem. Jon Harald Søby (no-pegət) 13:38, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Jon Harald Søby. Yes. As it is written. It is very important to give importance to the sounds in the Talysh language, and these sounds find themselves with some signs. For example: Vikipediá:İnzibátavonon => Wikipedia:Administrators Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 14:03, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know what the answer to my question is – should we use Vikipediya or Vikipediá? Jon Harald Søby (no-pegət) 14:12, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

Vikipediá. Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 14:15, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby May I know why the name of the page was changed? (https://tly.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:%C4%B0nzib%C3%A1tavonon&action=history) Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 14:26, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

Technical reasons. It will change to "Vikipediá" again automatically when we add the correct configuration. For now, please name any new pages like that as "Wikipedia:(abc)", and they will be changed automatically later. Jon Harald Søby (no-pegət) 14:31, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby I understand Thank you. Can we start admin elections? Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 15:03, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose so. But in the start, until the community grows some more, you will probably only get temporary adminships for up to ~1 year, stewards have become quite strict about those rules lately. But it shouldn't be a problem. Jon Harald Søby (no-pegət) 15:10, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

Changing Vikipediya to Vikipediá

In case you didn't think about it, you should check Special:WantedCategories, Special:WantedFiles, Special:WantedPages, and Special:WantedTemplates, to see if the mass change you just did from "Vikipediya" to "Vikipediá" introduced broken links of those types. For example, I just created Tispir:Vikipediá, since it was "wanted" after this change. (That same change introduced Vikipediá and Numunə:Vikipediá ğaydon, a wanted page and a wanted template. Those can be handled by actually moving the pages Vikipediya and Numunə:Vikipediya ğaydon to the new titles. Categories can't be moved, but the other page types can. Oh, except there are no local files, so any broken file links should just be changed back to use the original file name.) - dcljr (no-pegət) 18:48, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

Hmm… looks like the page-move tool isn't showing up on any of the pages here. Maybe "they" haven't yet configured something to make that happen. - dcljr (no-pegət) 20:07, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

@Dcljr: The reason you can't move pages is that you have to be autoconfirmed to move pages, and since the default requirement for autoconfirmed is that your account (on the local wiki) is 4 days old, nobody is autoconfirmed yet. It's like a glitch in the Matrix. ;-) Jon Harald Søby (no-pegət) 22:33, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

:D --eldarado(müzakirə | tohfə | meta səhifə) 23:59, 31 Avgust 2023 (UTC)

Moving pages that were copy-pasted

Now that you are an admin, can you please delete Vikipediá (which was created by copy-pasting content, in violation of the terms of the licenses under which this wiki operates), undo this revision of Vikipediá, and then move the page Vikipediá to the title "Vikipediá"? Similar things need to be done with Tolıši bandon / Tolıšə bandon and Numunə:Xəš oməyon bə Vikipediya! / Numunə:Xəš oməyon bə Vikipediá!. There might be other such copy-paste-redirect instances that I haven't noticed. You might want to check the recent contributions of all the active editors. (Oh, and you probably should add the fact that you know English to your Babel userbox at Meta so it showns up here. Or just create a new user page here. Whatever.) - dcljr (no-pegət) 06:59, 6 Sentjabr 2023 (+04)

Request to move

Dear Patriot Kor, please move these two pages: Haštpar/Wp/tly/ , Šaylun/Wp/tly/ and remove Wp/tly/ from the title Elmira98 (no-pegət) 16:06, 6 Sentjabr 2023 (+04)

Dear @Elmira98, Changed! Thanks for the notification. Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 20:12, 6 Sentjabr 2023 (+04)

Thanks. Why were there 8,407 articles on the incubator, but here there are 5,673 articles? Elmira98 (no-pegət) 03:21, 7 Sentjabr 2023 (+04)

Because the test wiki in the Incubator counted all pages in a specific category, whereas this standalone wiki (like most other Wikimedia wikis) counts pages in the main (article) namespace that contain a [[wikilink]]. See mw:Manual:Article count for more information. - dcljr (no-pegət) 21:49, 3 Oktjabr 2023 (+04)

Deleting pages

When deleting pages like Tolıši, please check the corresponding "WhatLinksHere" page (in this case, Special:WhatLinksHere/Tolıši) to make sure you're not leaving a bunch of broken links on other pages. - dcljr (no-pegət) 21:55, 3 Oktjabr 2023 (+04)

Again, I caution you: do not delete redirects left behind after a page move until you have cleared out "WhatLinksHere". The example this time: Special:WhatLinksHere/Fransə. - dcljr (no-pegət) 06:13, 27 Nojabr 2023 (+04)

Hi, @Dcljr. There is a general problem with page naming on our wiki, and I'm currently working on it. The alphabet was used incorrectly. I'm trying to fill in all the gaps. Thank you for the warnings. Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 11:41, 27 Nojabr 2023 (+04)

Moving and redirecting categories

When a category is moved and/or redirected (like Tispir:Mart or Tispir:Numunə), the pages in the category don't automatically get recategorized. That has to be done "manually" (although there may be an administrative tool to help with that — I don't know). - dcljr (no-pegət) 06:06, 27 Nojabr 2023 (+04)

Thank you for the information @Dcljr. I focus on solving problems. Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 11:44, 27 Nojabr 2023 (+04)

The first gift for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		I was overwhelmed with joy when I saw the name "Tolıši" in the language bar. I hope you make a good and big wiki. Best wishes from Mazandarani Wikipedia: محک (no-pegət) 23:36, 3 Dekabr 2023 (+04)

Suspicious sysop election

Hello, @Patriot Kor. I saw the sysop election of @Quseйnaqa. I believe the elections are set-up and fake.

There are currently 7 people all voted for him. Majority of them has not been active on any projects, with most of them has just recently joined tlywiki and immediately voted for him/her. From my perspective, these accounts belong and/or related to Quseйnaqa, which we call sockpoppetry (or meatpuppetry at least).

Please take actions against it. Thank you – Toghrul R (no-pegət) 11:00, 8 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Thank you for addressing what you found concerning. It is important to follow a transparent and fair process in our community. You can be assured that I will carefully examine your claims, and we will take the necessary measures. Dear Quseйnaqa, as an admin candidate, can you please help us with the following issues so that we can obtain more information and verify:

1. Can you describe in detail the activities and contributions of the relevant users?
2. Can you provide information about these users' activities and history in other projects?

Dear Toghrul R, could you provide more information on what you think these users may be connected to? This information will help us conduct a more effective review and provide a fair assessment. If we uncover any potential violations, we will take appropriate action. Thank you for your constructive contributions; we appreciate your concern for the integrity of our community. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 11:37, 8 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Toghrul R and dear Quseйnaqa, I would like to bring to your attention our previous conversation and kindly request your attention once again. Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 22:05, 8 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Hello, @Patriot Kor. You are asking very strange questions. If someone is not happy with my candidacy, then why didn’t they speak out when the voting took place? Firstly, why is the discussion not being conducted in the Talysh language, although this is a Talysh Wikipedia project. Secondly, why activists from other Wikipedias ask similar questions is also an interesting point. Further, if you are interested in the contribution of voters, then you can use the global search for contributions. I was at least able to look at some, and they were active in Translatewiki, where they helped translate the interface, and some were active in the Incubator. You can also tag those who voted here in the discussion and ask them questions about their contributions and activity. I will also note that if local Wikipedias do not have rules for voting, then the votes of newcomers do not violate anything. If the stewards have questions, they can check the voters by IP. Quseйnaqa (no-pegət) 14:22, 10 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Quseйnaqa, As it is a Talysh language wiki, I understand that the discussions are typically conducted in Talysh. It is quite obvious that other discussions are in Talysh language. For example, you can look here. However, it is important to note that this particular Wikipedia is open to contributions from all users. In this regard, I noticed that the user who expressed dissatisfaction with the voting process initiated the discussion in English. Yes, you said it right. No rules have been prepared yet. While no specific rules have been established yet, it is generally discouraged on Wikipedia to have users who have not contributed actively participate solely to cast their vote. We risk facing challenges with potential candidates in the future. And general, it is against Wikipedia:Canvassing rules for users who have no contribution to come directly to vote and vote for you. I kindly request that you carefully consider my message and provide a response. Your dedication and valuable contributions to the Talysh Wikipedia are greatly appreciated. And I appreciate that. To ensure transparency in the current vote, it is important that you actively engage in open discussions and you must be open to all discussions. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 15:13, 10 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Patriot Kor, I am always open to all discussions, but nevertheless, you still have not answered me on my discussion page since November 26, 2023.) I already answered you above, if there are no rules, then what problems can there be with newcomers? In the future, the Talysh Wikipedia community, during discussions, can adopt those rules that are relevant and applied in other Wiki projects. Let me remind you that we have announced the opening of the Talysh Wikipedia more than once and we are waiting for more Talysh Wikipedians to join the project. There is an open group on Facebook on Talysh Wikipedia, which was created with the goal of attracting new participants and getting them interested in the Talysh project. The opening of the Talysh Wikipedia was announced in Talysh news channels and YouTube channels. There are many young people following the project, and of course, some of them will join the project. There is nothing surprising. Again, if about the contribution, then you can ask the participants themselves about it - @Karsiptar, @Shahin Tolow, @Said Jangal, @DZHA.44, @LİKE43, @Deylamite, @Tuzkozbir, @Ayten Huseynova (new voice, after the voting period). I was nominated by one of the project participants, other participants voted. Quseйnaqa (no-pegət) 16:07, 10 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Patriot Kor and @Quseйnaqa, thank you for inviting us to discuss such an important issue. I proposed the candidacy of @Quseйnaqa, as I wrote to justify my proposal, based on his merits in the activities of creating articles, translating the interface and his contribution to the creation of the Talysh Wikipedia. As for my contribution, I am ready to provide statistics on my account so that you can make sure that I am a real member of the community.Karsiptar (no-pegət) 16:36, 10 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Karsiptar, My intention is not to say that you are not a realistic user. Just after 3 contributions, you suggested @Quseйnaqa's candidacy. Only 3 contributions. There is a doubt here, and it is normal to have some doubts about this. Let's work together to prevent any deviation from our intended direction. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 15:10, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Patriot Kor,thank you for the offer to work together. This is the basic principle of the Wikipedia encyclopedia. Indeed, my work on creating articles in Talysh Wikipedia is not great. I participated in the translation of the interface into the Talysh language and in the writing of articles on Talysh in the Russian Wikipedia, you can check it by my nickname. And when I came to write articles on the Talysh Wikipedia, I was surprised that @Quseйnaqa, whose activities I followed on the Russian Wikipedia and during the translation of the interface, was not appointed as an admin here. It was because of this that I proposed his candidacy; this person should be on the project administration team in my opinion. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 15:44, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Quseйnaqa I wanted to reiterate that your contributions have been greatly appreciated, and I have no concerns regarding your candidacy. As an administrator, it is my responsibility to address any questions or doubts regarding participants and provide my opinion. Let's continue the discussion politely for now. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 14:58, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Hello, @Patriot Kor. Thanks for tagging me. As for me, I translated for translatewiki, and currently I edit and create articles for the Talysh Wikipedia. I saw that a vote has been created for the candidacy of @Quseйnaqa for the position of administrator. I saw his contribution to translatewiki and Talysh Wikipedia, and voted for him, I believe that his contribution as an admin will be even greater. If you have questions for me, you can ask.DZHA.44 (no-pegət) 23:51, 10 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @DZHA.44, I have been following your contributions from day one and I appreciate it. Users like you are needed to update the project. First of all, I should point out that Translate Wiki is another project. I also saw your contributions there and I am grateful to you again. But please remember that there are different projects. I should draw your attention to the fact that your last contribution was on October 16, 2023. You took a break of almost 3 months and your first contribution started with voting right after this break. There are doubts about whether you are invited or not. It is normal to have these doubts. Please let's continue the discussions politely. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 15:21, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Greetings to all discussion participants!

As can be seen from the discussion, Togrud and Patriot Kur doubt the reality of some of the participants in the project. Personally, I was registered in mid-August last year and this is already evidence that denies my registration in order to vote for Huseynag’s candidacy, nominated only 11 days ago. Regarding my vote in favor of Huseynaga's candidacy. When analyzing account contributions to Translatewiki and the Talysh Wikipedia, the leader is undoubtedly Huseynaga, who has been working on these platforms since 2011, and in the last 3 years he has been the undisputed leader in activity. With all due respect to all participants in the project (if they are really participants with useful contributions and intentions), I also have counter-big doubts about the suitability of @Patriot Kor for the position of administrator, and @Eldarado and @Toghrul R for the positions of administrator and interface administrator they are applying for.

Dear Patriot Kur:

1. You have created a huge number of dummy articles. I can assume, for the sake of statistics for the purpose of promotion to administration.

2. Based on several incomplete small articles you have created over the course of two years (over the last year there are only two small articles), your command of the Talysh language is so poor that even in these small articles you have made many gross grammatical errors. Although in two years of “work” on this platform you could have improved your knowledge of the Talysh language, but you did not. Apparently you have no interest in working on the Talysh Wikipedia (because without a good knowledge of the language this is impossible), but at the same time you have a great desire to manage it. I wonder why you need this control?

3. Judging by the history of Eldorado, his level of proficiency in Talysh is approximately the same as yours.

4. As I understand it, the user Togrul R does not speak the Talysh language at all. Yes, I understand that the position of an interface administrator is mainly technical, but knowledge of the language, at least at an intermediate level, is still necessary.

Perhaps I’m wrong and all three of you speak the Talysh language quite well. To make sure that my assumptions are wrong, I propose to create a video conference with the participation of recognized Talysh philologists (I have such friends), the three of you and me. Conduct a video conference in the Talysh language and it will be recorded on electronic media as evidence of your command of the Talysh language at a level appropriate for the leaders of the Talysh Wikipedia. I will be very glad if my assumptions turn out to be wrong and after that I personally will most likely support you in your endeavors.

And most importantly, you will all be convinced of the reality of my personality, a good level of proficiency in the Talysh language, as well as awareness of Talysh history, ethnography, archeology, genetics and other areas.

I will wait for your consent to the video conference. Said Jangal (no-pegət) 05:20, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Said Jangal, I would like to share with you what I communicated to other users. This user-initiated an investigation into the feasibility of a particular matter. If any discomfort arises from this, it is crucial to address the issue and dispel any doubts. I have not yet expressed a viewpoint asserting that you are not a realistic user. The key consideration is whether an invitation has been extended to you or not.

First of all, I must point out that you registered with the username Said Jangal not in August of last year, but on November 4, 2021. (Russian wiki as the main reference.) Furthermore, there has been no contribution from you to RuWiki up until now. On the Talysh Wiki, your registration occurred on December 23, 2023, and you promptly began voting after creating the user page. While there is no issue with this, it is worth noting that your response in both votes is identical.([1] and [2]) I respect your opinion that I am not suited for the admin position; everyone has the right to express such opinions. I also concur regarding @Eldarado and @Toghrul R. If they are unsuitable, they will naturally not succeed in the elections. Regarding your other points:

1. I respect your opinions. The Statistics viewer is not a prerequisite for becoming an admin.

2. I have dedicated not 2 years but 14 years of effort to establish the Talysh language. Please revisit my contributions. I do not need to prove this solely through the wiki. Remember, contributions extend beyond the wiki to include efforts via email and other channels. Evaluate not only the incubator but also other wikiprojects.

3. I hope @Eldarado possesses knowledge of the Talysh language. I have observed him using this language in some discussions. Regardless, he will issue a statement.

4. A user is not proficient in the @Toghrul R Talish language and a temporary Interface admin are needed. The latter has made technical contributions, and I trust you did not overlook this fact. His admin position may only be temporary.

Regarding my knowledge of the Talysh language, I am of Talysh origin and will not engage in a debate about my proficiency. Everyone is aware of their native language. Being an admin does not equate to owning Talysh Wikipedia; it is a status that can be relinquished when deemed unsuitable. I am also a user who made the initial applications to open the language. Let's continue our discussions courteously. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 16:46, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

User @Patriot Kor:

1. I communicate with you sensitively, but express my thoughts and assumptions directly. If you were uncomfortable with rude communication, then you would immediately pay attention to the writing style of your colleague on the Az.Turkic Wikipedia @Toghrul R, who rudely wrote about the falsity and falsity of the vote for the candidacy of Huseynagh

2. When I wrote that in Trasleitkivi since August 2023, I meant the Talysh Wiki, because we are discussing the problems of this language platform. I repeat, in mid-August last year I was already registered in the Tranlate wiki. This means that I was already a participant in this project.

3. Do not write anything that I have not specifically accused you of. I pointed out that your colleague, user Togrul, expressed his opinion that our pages (including mine) are fake. And you responded to him by indicating that you would check this information. Great. I suggested to you the most efficient and effective way to check this - a video conference with our participation. Why did you pretend that you didn't notice my proposal? The offer is valid. I'm waiting for your decision.

4. I repeat once again, people with very poor command of the language should not be Wikipedia admins for a given language. I even gave a rationale. Let’s say someone writes an article or ideas of a clearly extremist nature in the Talysh language. How can an administrator who has a very poor command (of course and poor understanding) of the language understand this and quickly take urgent measures? (After all, this could lead to the initiation of a criminal case against Wikipedia!) And yes, I have good reason to believe that you and @Eldarado have very little command of the Talysh language, and Toghrul, most likely, does not speak it at all (even though he writes, which is bad). In order for you to finally check my reality as an independent user and for me to dispel my suspicions about your command of the Talysh language, I offered to organize a video conference. At the same time we would know each other. It seems like we should be working on the same project.

5. You write: "3. I hope @Eldarado possesses knowledge of the Talysh language. I have observed him using this language in some discussions." and thereby want to mislead everyone that you are not personally familiar with Eldarado and do not know about his level of proficiency in the Talysh language. You all together, as administrators of the Azeri Turkic Wikipedia, participated in a conference of Wikipedians in Tbilisi last August. And at the same time, your colleague Togrul sees something criminal in the likelihood of @Quseйnaqa meeting some of those who voted for him.

6. If there is falsification of votes on fake accounts, then three accounts working from your same IP should first come under suspicion: @Patriot Kor , @Vo gne and Gedebeyli Talysh (and all those who voted for Huseynag write from IPs from different cities and even countries). You will probably say that all three of these accounts work for the same company. Personally, I don’t believe in this (this is my right) and I suspect that you specifically created them in order to mislead the management of Wikipedia, gain control of the Talysh Wikipedia and limit the actions of real Talysh Wikipedians. Said Jangal (no-pegət) 08:03, 12 Janvar 2024 (+04)

• I read all the comments above and understand the situation. But in my opinion, the candidacy is still fake. Here are my reasons:

1. The users became members of Wikimedia Community of Talysh Language User Group back-to-back. It seems unsurprising that all of the users have {{#babel:tly-N|ru-N}} on their user pages on Meta-wiki. All of these happened immediately after Quseйnaqa's membership to the user group.
2. All the users first edits are on their user profile page, adding babel, which are very similar.
3. I don't know how but seems like Quseйnaqa knows you personally and/or use the profile(s). See this link. How does he know what languages you are fluent in? It seems baffling.
4. He even created a user page for LİKE43. How amazing is that? See the link
5. Most important of all, how did all these users find the discussion and voted immediately? And to Quseйnaqa only? Why not the other discussions above and/or below? I believe these questions solidify that all users are linked to each other or cooperate to canvass the whole process. Toghrul R (no-pegət) 16:24, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   Dear @Toghrul R, is it a crime to have a similar design for your personal page? Or is it a crime to know community members? Or monitor the latest corrections in the community and respond to them with crime? I don't understand your train of thought. Is someone talking about your asset on the Talysh Wiktpedia? From the outside, your actions look like a conspiracy to usurp the administrative resource of the community! I hope I'm wrong in my observations. Let's work democratically and together for the benefit of the resource! Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 17:05, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   @Karsiptar There's no problem with that; however, when we are talking about adminship, it does matter. If the editing pattern is the same, some questions rise naturally. Nevertheless, none of my questions questions were unaswered. ...and the fact that Quseйnaqa has created/edited babel templates on the user profile pages too. Respectfully – Toghrul R (no-pegət) 17:10, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   @Toghrul R if behind these profiles there are real people from different locations, then I don’t see a problem with their votes for the candidate. Copying design templates is not a crime, I remind you again. If someone's voices are in doubt, you can contact them separately. If the participant is real, he will make contact. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 17:20, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   @Karsiptar I get the point, there's no problem with that. However, it's a serious problem for sysop elections that we should resolve Toghrul R (no-pegət) 17:40, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   Dear @Toghrul R, I understand your position. But this is not a reason for refusing to appoint an administrator if a person has experience, desire and opportunity to devote time to this. Please note that no one is voting against this candidate. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 18:19, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   @Toghrul R

   The points:

   1. There are Talysh Wikipedia communities, and they are different, and it is not at all surprising that information about the Talysh community page was indicated somewhere. Also, based on your logic, I wonder how Patriot Kor, Vo gne, Toghrul R, Eldarado, Gedebeytalisi, Baskervill were added there in a row - all on the same day with a difference of hours. Collusion?

   2. Basically nonsense, many people create a page for themselves and then participate in the project.

   3. As I wrote, some of the accounts are familiar to me from translatewiki, etc. I monitoring Wikipedia, then when I saw an empty page, I added sample languages according to the template. A Wikipedian can later correct it as he wishes, or add knowledge of languages.

   4. Similar to what is above, but here it was clearly not a particularly experienced participant who voted. Therefore, I corrected something on the voting page and decided to also add information on languages. If the information is incorrect, then the person will clean it.

   5. Everything is completely far-fetched. As I said, Wikipedia is not some secret site that is impossible to find. You made some kind of secret out of him. Taking into account your votes, I similarly come to the conclusion that everywhere the same people vote for their own. And in principle, what do you care about the Talysh Wikipedia? Mind your own business on your Wikipedia. I think that the Talysh people themselves will figure it out in their voting and discussions.

   This is not my first day on Wikipedia and I know that every edit a person makes can be viewed and tracked. I am familiar with the rules of Wikipedia, and even more so, more than 10 years of experience on Wikipedia allows me not to create fakes for ordinary voting, which I did not even initiate. Quseйnaqa (no-pegət) 17:13, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   @Quseйnaqa I also don’t understand the argument that “newcomers” cannot participate in the vote. Why then elections if you can’t initiate them? The question is rhetorical and does not require an answer. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 17:27, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   Dear, @Karsiptar, Every new user can vote. The primary issues here are two. First, are the users fake? If not, no problem. This is better for us. The second issue is are the users invited? If he is invited, there is doubt. Of course, we are trying to overcome these doubts. I say it once again. Nobody is against the user being an admin. The vote is obvious. Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 17:41, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   Dear @Patriot Kor, if there are no problems, then what are we discussing here? It is obvious that all users who voted are real and related to projects related to Wikipedia. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 18:25, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

   @Quseйnaqa As an active user, isn't it normal to know about the user group? I've been active on multiple projects over the years too. So have Eldarado and Patriot Kor. But the main concern is that the members are mostly newly-registered users. That is in the core of the problem. If you are monitoring the user pages, why haven't you added those babel templates on the pages of the users you mentioned? Only LİKE43 and Shahin Tolow See the link. Moreover, it's very unlikely for the newly-registered users to directly join adminship process and support them. Plus, no vote for the other candidates. Generally, new users don't even know how to use a template, let alone vote someone for sysop rights.

   On top of all, Wikipedia is for everybody. It's a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. As you may know, my activity on the projects mainly involves technical editing, as my knowledge of the language is poor. That's something we all should consider; making the website even greater with our strong points and information. Newcomers are always welcomed on these projects; however, it shouldn't include canvassing the election process. Toghrul R (no-pegət) 17:38, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

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Respected users, Quseйnaqa, Toghrul R, Karsiptar. Please let's address the issue again. There are no rules yet. I see that everyone has their own right and wrong side. If the Talysh Wikipedia had been opened yesterday, or last week, the current situation would have been possible. In any case, there would be users who had no contribution whatsoever, and everyone watching the incubator would flock to vote. However, Talysh wiki was opened on August 30, 2023, and we have gone through a period of almost 5-6 months. In this process, some users almost immediately start voting their first contributions, which raises some questions. Please let's not change the subject. Dear user Karsiptar, I am having a hard time understanding your thoughts here. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 18:15, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Patriot Kor, I have outlined everything in as much detail as possible, what exactly causes misunderstanding? Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 18:32, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Karsiptar I didn't say I misunderstood. I said I had difficulty understanding. Transferring one's place to another, entire elections being run by a few people, etc. What does all of this have to do with the topic? Why didn't you say all this in a discussion before? Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 18:45, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Patriot Kor, I didn’t say that I was against people taking part in the vote, I just emphasized that you came as a team from the Azerbaijani Wikipedia and are trying to distribute leadership positions among yourself. I am against all administrative power being in the hands of one group. This is one of the reasons why I proposed the candidate @Quseйnaqa, who is related to Russian Wikipedia. There must be a balance. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 18:55, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

I would like to reiterate that this is a collaborative encyclopedia where everyone has the opportunity to contribute. There is no opposition to the current candidate becoming an admin. The main concern is the validity of this vote. Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 19:06, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Patriot Kor, I explained that if the candidate you proposed is accepted, then there will be an advantage. There must be a balance. You and Eldarado are on the same team, which means there will be 2 admins against one. My opinion is that there must be a balance. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 19:21, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Yes, I think that everyone who contributes to the Talysh wiki is on the same team. As the wiki family, you and I, @Quseйnaqa, Bakservill, Tuzkozbir, Shahin Tolow, Eldarado, Ayten Huseynova and others are on the same team. According to the Wikirules, there can be no team concept other than this.Thank you for your contributions to the Talysh Wiki. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Sincerely, Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 19:51, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Patriot Kor, I have not questions. I just want people who are interested in the development of the Talysh language, the preservation of Talysh history and who are not subject to external influence to participate in the creation of the Talysh Wikipedia. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 20:14, 11 Janvar 2024 (+04)

User @Patriot Kor

You indicated that you devoted 14 years to the Talysh language project. Can I get acquainted with this project? And what kind of project is this that, having devoted 14 years to it, you still could not learn the Talysh language? I will provide evidence in the form of one of your two small articles over the past year, about Ilham Aliyev:

İlhám Aliyev - Çe Azərboyconi prezidente.

1965-minədə sorədə, Boku(-ədə) moəku bıə. 2003(-nə) sorədə Prezident bə.

Əliyev(-i) preziden(tə)ti vaxtədə Ozarboyjon Ávropə ölkə bə.

Isə Ozarboyjonədə kardən bılındə binon.

Jen - Mehriban Əliyeva, dı kinon(-ə) və zoə hesteşe.

Here I clearly corrected your gross mistakes by crossing out and adding endings in brackets. In this small article you managed to translate the word Azerbaijan in two versions: “Azərboycon” and “Ozarboyjon”.

In the third line, instead of the verb “build” (dutedən, soxtedən), you mistakenly used “kardın” (do).

In the last line, you again confuse the ending with in the phrase “dı kinon”. Frankly speaking, this is such a gross and banal mistake that even those who speak the language very poorly do not make it. But the TOP OF YOUR MISTAKES is writing the word “ölkə” in the second line. Why did I cross out the letter Ö? Yes, because this letter and the sound of the Az. Turkic alphabet that denotes it are, in principle, absent in the Talysh alphabet. Moreover, even this word itself is absent in the Talysh language. You were even too lazy to look into one of the Talysh dictionaries.

Thus, over the past year you have written only two small and incomplete articles, and in the last article, out of five short sentences, you managed to make 11 grammatical errors. And after all this, you still manage to lie to everyone about dedicating 14 years to the study and development of the Talysh language.

It is for the above reasons that I believe that you are unworthy of holding the position of administrator. Said Jangal (no-pegət) 08:09, 12 Janvar 2024 (+04)

@Said Jangal This is a new project. There are tons of things to fix and improve. There are many templates, modules to create, links to be made before being able to write professional articles. I needed interface admin rights only to tackle some issues. There're no Common.css/Common.js pages which are used to improve the interface. Also, I want to add some modern modules to improve interaction with Wikidata. These don't require super language skills. Just basic knowledge would be enough. That's what I really would like to do here. As you may see, I'm not even daily active here. Just fixing stuff, that's it.

I'm not trying to taking over the project as I mentioned. Plus, there has not been any limitations against anyone so far, so I believe Patriot Kor has been dealing with the issues on the project very well. @Quseйnaqa did write his articles without a problem; there was no surpression against him. Until the election, which seems set-up, some people came back after ten years just to vote. Some in their first edits. Plus, while @Karsiptar nominated him for adminship on December 31, @Quseйnaqa himself applied for the right a week after it. It's totally weird. I realized something was incorrect with the election and wrote to him as he was the only admin on the project. I thought he could deal with the issues mentioned.

Anyways, while I have many questions about the votes there, none of them were reasonably answered. Would be glad to settle the issues here. Thank you – Toghrul R (no-pegət) 14:52, 12 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Toghrul R, let's work together and peacefully on the project. You raised the issue of mistrust, it was decided not in your favor, but this is not a reason to further blame me or any of those who voted. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 15:44, 12 Janvar 2024 (+04)

@Karsiptar Working together – that's what I really want. But in more transparency, with some issues like this, we may face more problems. That's what concerns me Toghrul R (no-pegət) 15:47, 12 Janvar 2024 (+04)

Dear @Toghrul R, we are Talysh and we want to create a project where our history will be carefully preserved in our language. Maybe for you it’s just a work project, for us it’s a temple where our knowledge is stored. Sincerely, Karsiptar (no-pegət) 15:53, 12 Janvar 2024 (+04)

User @Toghrul R,

1. You say that you want to improve the project and want to add some modern modules to improve interaction with Wikidata, and you think that this does not require good command of the language. You are deeply mistaken, because to choose the exact translation of commands and other function words you need to have a good command of the language or consult with language experts. I repeat, as far as I understand, you are not a Talysh and therefore your level of proficiency in the Talysh language is zero. And your personal friends from the Az.Turkic Wikipedia Patriot Kur and Eldarado have very poor command of Talysh and are also of little use in this work (which I proved in the analysis of Patriot Kur’s last minor article for grammatical errors). And in such a situation of ignorance of the language, you still managed to organize a discussion against the candidacy of an expert in the Talysh language and history, Huseynag.

2. You say that there were no reprisals against Huseynagh. Why did they have to be if Huseynaga strictly follows the guidelines and rules of Wikipedia? Secondly, you are disingenuous, because Patriot Kur recently organized a discussion on the topic of “vandalism by changing the titles of articles.” This action of a member of your team is an attempt at reprisal against Huseynag. Further, your attempt to stop the election of Huseynag to the position of administrator is also a repressive method. And this despite the fact that Huseynaga strictly follows the rules of Wikipedia. You did everything possible in your hands to repress Huseynagh. Fortunately, Wikipedia’s management has extensive experience in identifying such methods of sabotage.

3. Regarding the voting, all the necessary answers were given to you, but we never received any answers to our questions (read above, everything is indicated point by point). You don't even try to answer. You pretend that you don’t notice these issues. Moreover, in order to clarify the reality of those who voted for Huseynag and the reality of my suspicion about the knowledge of the language by the members of your team, I have repeatedly suggested that you create a video conference, but so far there has been no response from you.

4. The project is new and therefore people who worked here 5-10-12 years ago, when they learn about its launch, happily return and restore their activity. There are also those who, after information about the launch of the project, expressed a desire to contribute. And according to Wikipedia rules, all of them have the full right to vote.

5. Regarding the fake vote. Communities of Talysh Wikipedists have already appeared on social networks and through them those who wish can join the project. Wikipedia management can check their IP. I repeat, these are people from other cities and even countries. The same cannot be said about the members of your “support group”, the members of which, if I’m not mistaken, all personally know each other, work in the same Az.Turkic Wikipedia project and all live in the city of Baku. Moreover, several members of your group work from the same individual entrepreneur. Others, without any contribution to the Talysh Wikipedia, came from another Azerbaijani Wikipedia and voted for the candidate Patriot Kur. I address your question to you. How did people from another Wikipedia, who do not work at all on the Talysh Wikipedia, learn about the voting of Patriot Kurs, come and vote? If there are doubts about the elections, it is only in yours.

I will repeat my position. I believe that administrators from the Az.Turkic Wikipedia should not be elected to leadership positions in the Talysh Wikipedia, because a significant part of the Az.Turkic intellectuals are subject to nationalistic-chauvinistic ideas and any undertaking in the Talysh national-cultural sphere is falsely perceived by them as a threat to the policy of pan-Turkism and they do everything possible to prevent them, while all Talysh cultural projects are slandered as separatist.

I have a very important question for @Patriot Kor? @Eldarado? @Toghrul R as administrators of Az.Wikipedia. Does Az.Turkic Wikipedia have support from the Azerbaijani government? Said Jangal (no-pegət) 21:56, 13 Janvar 2024 (+04) 21:49, 13 Janvar 2024 (+04)

important question

Hello, congratulations on making Wikipedia Talshi. I want to participate in this project. I want to know which font is currently used in this project? Persian or Latin font? And if it does not support Persian font, then how can it attract a million efforts inside Iran. Mihanyar (no-pegət) 16:14, 19 Fevral 2024 (+04)

Dear @Mihanyar, I want to provide some information about the Talysh language alphabet. The first official alphabet for Talysh was created in Latin by the Talysh scholar, Zulfugar Ahmadzade. This alphabet utilized the Latin font. However, in consideration of our community members in Iran who may face difficulties with this alphabet, they have the option to create a new Talysh wiki in the Persian alphabet. This approach is similar to the Azerbaijani language, which has a Wikipedia version in the Persian alphabet (South Azerbaijani). If you have any further questions or require additional information, please feel free to reach out. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Patriot Kor (no-pegət) 17:37, 19 Fevral 2024 (+04)

Thank you, for your explanation. Do you know how to create a new version of Wikipedia? And can you tell from which source we can learn the Latin alphabet of Talshi language? Mihanyar (no-pegət) 22:15, 19 Fevral 2024 (+04)

I believe that the Talysh Wikipedia does not need another “Southern Talysh Wikipedia”. It is necessary to make an interface for switching from Latin to Arabic in the articles, as is done in the Kurdish Wikipedia. With respect. Smpad (no-pegət) 21:12, 20 Aprel 2024 (+04)

Oxonə əlovə kardə cijon

Sənibəton šyməni cašnavi kardəm ki šymə vandalizmi dəǧandə cijon gornə. Umutən Tolyšə Vikipedijədə oko doə byə əlifbo hərfon u vəomədə rost nybə hərfon dəməǧandən. Əgəm hərfon barədə cicsə zynejdənijon u umute pidəjone - byparsən, tolyšə əlifbo hərfon umutən. Tovsijə kardəm xəjrinə əməlon bykənən, šymə təčrubə bə Tolyšə Vikipedija dastək karde bəzyne. Ve məǧolon hələ nyvyštə byənin, šymə bəzynejon yštə zu bə ym ro gordyne. Həni lozim ni avtomatik rost nybə hərfon dəǧande. Quseйnaqa (no-pegət) 19:08, 9 Oktjabr 2024 (+04)