User talk:HypoBOT

Jeff Weise (Q322603)

Please, provide the source for statement that Jeff Weise (Q322603) is programmer (Q5482740) and writer (Q36180). -- VlSergey ^(gab) 16:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Stated in

@Wesalius: You're misusing stated in (P248). It's supposed to be used only as a source property. --Yair rand (talk) 18:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at Martin Luther (Q9554). There are multiple uses of stated in (P248) by different editors the way I am using it. What would you suggest using instead when reffering to an item of encyclopedic article? --Wesalius (talk) 18:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Instead of described by source (P1343): X, stated in (P248) Y, it should probably just be described by source (P1343) Y, with Y linked to X via part of (P361) or similar. stated in (P248) is a source property. --Yair rand (talk) 03:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@Yair rand: The description and the examples at Property talk:P1343 do allow stated in (P248) (and also reference URL (P854)) as a qualifier. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 07:26, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Q27534671

Please dont create Items for irrelevant chess players. FIDE masters are in my opinion not notable. And Q27534669 does not even have a title. Steak (talk) 13:52, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

What makes a player relevant then? And preferably respond with something that is based on more than an opinion. --Wesalius (talk) 13:56, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, there is no definition for notability of chess players yet. Maybe we should discuss this with more people. For example, we could only accept titled players. Steak (talk) 14:10, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

No problem from my point of view, the item creation is at halt. Go ahead and open a discussion at appropriate place. I did not open such a discussion before creating those items because I did not imagine that it would get disputed, my bad. --Wesalius (talk) 14:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

@Wesalius: In the meantime a lot of player items have been created where the title is missing (mostly FMs and WFMs). Could your bot run through and add the title? Steak (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I can do that, after the elo adding is finished (it will take couple of days). Wesalius (talk) 16:16, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

This query gives all chess players without a title statement:

#Chess players without a title
SELECT ?players ?playersLabel
WHERE
{
    ?players wdt:P106 wd:Q10873124 .
    MINUS { ?players wdt:P2962 [] } .
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" }
}

Try it!

We could consider adding "no value" to those items where the player has no title (but is nevertheless notable for some other reason). This would make it clear in the future if a player has no title or it has not been imported yet. Steak (talk) 09:09, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

The query results in 4700 players, what source do you suggest should be used to find the notable ones? And the new FMs and WFMs were taken from en.wiki? If not, from what source? I can add the titles but I need sources. Wesalius (talk) 07:51, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know on which basis the new FMs and WFMs were created. But the simplest source would be to just extract the title from the FIDE profile. After the titles have been added to the items, the left over items are those which are normally not notable because of title (but maybe because of something else, especially players who lived before 1950). If any player who has no title according to FIDE profile gets the statement "Title: None", all other items which have no title statement at all should be notable, because they were not created based on FIDE profile but based on some article or something else. Do you get it? At least I find it logic. :) Steak (talk) 07:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I never worked with FIDE profile pages (if you mean this https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=1503014) , I use as source the ratings data per month. "Just extracting the title from the FIDE" profile is easily written, not done. Point me to some the items of newly created FMs and WFMs, I can contact the item creator and see what source he used. --Wesalius (talk) 08:05, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

For example Q28479874, created by User:Simon Villeneuve. Recently, User:EdgarsBot, run by User:Edgars2007, added many title statements, but not based on FIDE, but on russian wikipedia. Maybe he can say something regarding importing from FIDE profiles (also the country for which the player is registered may be imported). Steak (talk) 10:14, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

FIDE-Master

This bot added the chess title "FIDE Master" with a reference to the FIDE database to some items where I cannot find any hint that the player has this title. For example here. The FIDE profile does not display that the player has the title, is it maybe hidden, or how did the bot get the information? Steak (talk) 07:59, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, I was extracting the data from the same xml file that contains the ratings, it can be ascquired from ratings.fide.com. Wesalius (talk) 11:05, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Could you verify this please? I still have doubts that this is correct. For example Ferenc Portisch (Q4373258) obtained International Master title in 1975, while the first FIDE masters were awarded in 1979, so there was no reason that Ferenc Portisch (Q4373258) was awared FM. Are you sure you didn't just state FIDE master title when rating was > 2300 or something like that? Steak (talk) 08:10, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Wesalius: I would be happy if you could clarify this issue, this concerns also more players, e.g. Renato Naranja (Q4261192) (IM 1969) and Rodolfo Tan Cardoso (Q2090109) (IM 1957). Steak (talk) 08:52, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Nothing to clarify, I made a mistake with adding FIDE Masters titles to players that are not masters. I will get the list of all FIDE Masters, compare it with all the FIDE Masters on wd. After that we can ask for deletion of those that are not notable for wd. I am on it, I will get me some time for it during the course of this week. Wesalius (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Wesalius: Any progress here? Steak (talk) 08:13, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

I will try to move ahead as much as possible today. I started the extraction of FMs now. Do you have the query that gives all items labeled as FMs on wd? Wesalius (talk) 11:25, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@Steak: This is the list of the 10164 FMs and WFMs extracted from fide rating list. Wesalius (talk) 11:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

This query lists all player items that have at least the FM title:

SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?itemLabel

WHERE {

 ?item wdt:P2962 wd:Q1049520 .
 SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }

}

Try it!

-- Steak (talk) 11:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@Steak:Have a look at this. It contains errors, but might be usable (I just produced it and will go through it again tommorow). --Wesalius (talk) 02:33, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Wesalius: Just proceed. This list shows me especially that a lot of FIDE masters are still missing. Steak (talk) 15:02, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@Wesalius: Is there any progress? Steak (talk) 08:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

No progress yet, I have been busy IRL. --Wesalius (talk) 07:53, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Meanwhile I cleaned it up myself. Steak (talk) 09:38, 26 December 2018 (UTC)