Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/05/Category:Labor leaders in the United States

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Category:Labor leaders in the United States

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Seems redundant to Category:Trade unionists from the United States, which it is a subcategory of. I can't see any logical distinction, and can't find another country with a "Labor leaders in" category, most have "Trade unionists from" categories. GRuban (talk) 20:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mergint into Category:Trade unionists from the United States makes sense to me. If necessary, we could have Category:Trade union leaders but I'm not sure it's necessary. - Themightyquill (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think Category:Labor leaders in the United States is for people who lead labor movements (possibly union presidents, big movement organizers, etc.), as opposed to Category:Trade unionists from the United States who may have merely been well-known for participating in a union, helping to organize, or advocating for unions without being the a labor boss per se. --Closeapple (talk) 14:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't seem to be a good distinguisher. Let's look at the article leads of the first 5 people in Category:Trade unionists from the United States that have EN Wikipedia articles:
  • Annie E. Malloy‎ (1 F) - no EN article
  • César Chávez‎ (8 C, 1 P, 57 F) - César Chávez‎ - "Cesar Chavez (born César Estrada Chávez,[1] locally [ˈsesaɾ esˈtɾaða ˈtʃaβes]; March 31, 1927 – April 23, 1993) was an American labor leader ..."
  • Elizabeth Gurley Flynn‎ (1 C, 1 P, 17 F) - Elizabeth Gurley Flynn‎ - "Elizabeth Gurley Flynn (August 7, 1890 – September 5, 1964) was a labor leader, …"
  • William Zebulon Foster‎ (4 F) - William Zebulon Foster - "William Z. Foster (February 25, 1881 – September 1, 1961) was a radical American labor organizer and Marxist politician, whose career included serving as General Secretary of the Communist Party USA..."
  • George Baldanzi‎ (3 F) - George Baldanzi‎ - "George Baldanzi (January 23, 1907 – April 16, 1972)[1] was an American trade unionist. He was the founding executive vice president of the Textile Workers Union of America (TWUA), and had a rivalry with Emil Rieve, the founding president of the organization. This rivalry led to his ouster from the TWUA in 1952, after which he joined the United Textile Workers of America as national organizing director. Following the merger of the American Federation of Labor (AFL) and the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) into the AFL-CIO in 1958, Baldanzi was president of the United Textile Workers of America"
  • Arthur Goldberg‎ (12 F) - Arthur Goldberg - "Arthur Joseph Goldberg (August 8, 1908 – January 19, 1990) was an American statesman and jurist who served as the 9th U.S. Secretary of Labor,"
So 2 are specifically called labor leaders, and the other 3 clearly held leadership labor-related positions; should leader of the Communist Party USA or Secretary of Labor count as a "labor leader" seems like a difficult hair to split. Can we merge? --GRuban (talk) 15:18, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I accept what you say Closeapple, that "labor leaders" is for union presidents, etc, but surely, all union presidents are Trade unionists. I'd say merge, unless we have enough content to create Category:Trade union leaders. But then individuals could likely go in both Category:Trade unionists from the United States (or other country) and Category:Trade union leaders. I don't expect we'll need Category:Trade union leaders from the United States anytime soon. - Themightyquill (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But haven't some labor leaders not been trade unionists? I suppose that's rare in the last 50 years in Western civilization, where modern trade unions are a familiar concept. But I'm assuming that there are a lot of countries, particularly ones where the government monopolizes the workers' representation itself without permission, where labor movements have leaders that are not necessarily members of a trade union. --Closeapple (talk) 17:15, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Closeapple: Well, perhaps, but that doesn't justify keeping Category:Labor leaders in the United States, does it? - Themightyquill (talk) 12:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

stale discussion. The category name part <Labor leaders> is unique in Commons database. Solution per user:GRuban and user:Themightyquill, ie the nominated category to be merged with Category:Trade unionists from the United States--Estopedist1 (talk) 09:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This was allowed to go stale, but the consensus to merge up to Category:Trade unionists from the United States" seems pretty clear. - Jmabel ! talk 18:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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