Commons:Deletion requests/File:Michael Laucke with Andres Segovia -PBS TV at Met Museum NY.jpg

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File:Michael Laucke with Andres Segovia -PBS TV at Met Museum NY.jpg

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Looks like Flickr-wash Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 07:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This file has the following merits and seems to be perfectly legal to use, under the dedicated public domain license - CCO 1.0 Universal Public Domain, all rights waived (Public domain):

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--Natalie.Desautels (talk) 07:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's just the formal aspect. However, you can release an image under a free license only if you are either its creator or if the creator has transferred his copyright to you. Flickr does not check whether its users are entitled to release "their" images under a free license.
I have little knowledge about this image. However, I wonder how a person who is depicted in this photo (Michael Laucke) can at the same time be the photographer (Michael Laucke, per his own claim). --Túrelio (talk) 09:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you for looking into this and helping make Wikipedia better. No sensible person would claim that the person depicted in this photo (Michael Laucke) could also the photographer. As I understand, "Own work" simply means that this photo was created by an employee of Mr. Laucke as part of that person's job (a work for hire). One does find this explanation in many discussions of Mr. Laucke's uploaded photos. Assuming good faith, this is also why Mr. Laucke can ethically claim it is his own work; apparently, he paid for it! Furthermore, it seems that all rights were generously waived by the legal owner under the dedicated public domain license - CCO 1.0 Universal Public Domain, all rights waived (Public domain). Thus, this photo seems to be perfectly legal to use.
I have worked very hard on contributing an article about the beautiful classical and flamenco guitar, its repertoire and about atonal music, and have enjoyed the most positive reactions to it and encouragement. Strickly speaking, I dont really need to put in this photo. But I beleive it has historical significance, and in spite of events about Andrés Segovia that are well sourced in the text of my article, this rare photo does add a little something.
Thankfully, Mr. Laucke has generously made it available for free.
I defer to your judgement of course in other concerns, but I just wanted to reassert that no one is saying, thankfully, that a person is taking his own photo from, say, 20 feet away. I await your kind response. Alas, "advienne que pourra" (come what may : )
Once again, thank you for your concern. --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 05:43, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Might or might not be. I haven't seen any free PBS-TV photos so far. Come hell or high water... Clin --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 15:26, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Licensing

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This image was originally posted to Flickr by Michael.Laucke at https://flickr.com/photos/136915188@N08/22009662605. It was reviewed on 16 October 2015 by the FlickreviewR robot and was confirmed to be licensed under the terms of the cc-zero.
@Hedwig in Washington, StarryGrandma, Túrelio, Bgwhite, and GrammarFascist: @Checkingfax: (Sorry, some ping addresses don't work for some reason)
Thank you Hedwig in Washington and Túrelio for looking into this and helping make Wikipedia better, and safer! I understand your concerns, which or course concern us all.
To clarify and help resolve this issue, I have been on a fact finding mission regarding the photo of Andres Segovia and Michael Laucke at the Metropolitan Museum for the PBS TV special. Indeed, I am pleased to divulge what I have learned, in order to expedite a resolution in this matter.
  • If you go to both the Flickr and the Michael Laucke websites, the personal photo attribution is clearly indicated! On April 12, 1982, this photo was taken by an assisant of Mr, Laucke, called Christine Arenella of New York. The film was produced by Nathan Kroll. Both websites state: "April 12, 1982; photo by Christina Arenella, New York. Press secretary to Michael Laucke."
  • Upon further research, a pattern emerges where we clearly see that a Christine Aranella was Press secretary to Mr. Laucke from at least 1982-1988 and she is mentioned as having taken these personal photos under Mr. Laucke's emploi.
  • We can safely say that this photo was created by an employee of Mr. Laucke as part of that person's job (a work for hire). Mr. Laucke has written:
I hereby certify that I own all rights pertaining to this photo. Cordially, Michael Laucke [[User:Mlaucke|Mlaucke]] ([[User talk:Mlaucke|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:23, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Of less importance, this photo can also be found reprinted in other newspaper articles, albeit with much lower resolution. There is a further photo with maestro Segovia and Michael Laucke, taken that same evening backstage, after the PBS filming (of less interest), and there are other personal photos with Mr. Laucke and Maestro Segovia on other occasions, such as this one.
I realise wikipedia could have legal problems about copyright infringement, and I certainly dont want to be the one to spur these on! Nevertheless, based on the above facts, the veracity of which can be proved, I think this photo is perfectly safe. Kindly let me know what other proof I need to provide, if any, to make it so.
Once again, thank you for your concern. Kinldy consider making an un-deletion request so that I may have a little more time to contribute worthwhile articles :) Otherwise, alas, "la bataille continue" (the battle continues) ...
BTW, where did that funny claim come from, that Mr. Laucke took his own photo from 20 feet away while playing guitar for Andres Segovia at the same time : ) Merci! Cordially, --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 19:25, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It does appear that Mr. Laucke owns the rights to the photo, and that he licensed it in a way appropriate for its use on Commons (and Wikipedia). However, since Commons is populated with many users who prefer to tag images for deletion when there is any conceivable cause for doubt, it might be best to see if Mr. Laucke would participate in creating an OTRS ticket for this image. Having a ticket in place on the file would forestall all but the most ridiculous deletion nominations. —GrammarFascist (talk) 20:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 I withdraw my nomination While one user is digging up evidence that the photograph is compatible with Commons, others just complain. Drives me nuts. Back to what's important:

@Natuur12: Could you do me the favor and close this embarrassing DR? Fouten gemaakt. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: As you wish Natuur12 (talk) 12:50, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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