Commons:Deletion requests/File:Premier Rutherford.jpg

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File:Premier_Rutherford.jpg

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Related thread: Commons:Deletion requests/File:William Aberhart2.jpg

Alberta is subject to Crown copyright,[1][2] which states that materials created by the government enters public domain only 50 years after first publication (w:Crown copyright). This photo has no information of first publication, only creation. Thus, it is nominated here to seek for evidence of publication before 1958, or to face deletion. Jappalang (talk) 02:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep Subject prime minister of Alberta from 1905 till 1910 (dead 1941); let us make the reasonable assumption that there was a publication at the time. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 06:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Again per the other thread, what reasonable assumption is this? Publication means that the government released this photo to the newspapers or pamphlets to the public. It does not mean they took this photo and only printed it for internal circulation (not released to the public) or records. Jappalang (talk) 05:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep This image is almost certainly in the public domain of Canada by now. The photo was taken between 1905 and 1910 when Rutherford was in office according to the official Government of Alberta website. Rutherford was a Canadian premier, not a minor city/municipal politician and the image would certainly have been published at least once in a book or Canadian newspaper before 1959 (not 1958). The PD-Canada license is more than adequate here. Be reasonable with your DR requests Jappalang. --Leoboudv (talk) 08:07, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The onus of all uploaders is to provide verifiable evidence of the image's existence as public domian material. Crown copyrights cover unpublished material. To query for evidence of publication is not unreasonable. If it was indeed published at least once in a newspaper or book, just provide that evidence and there would be no issue. Jappalang (talk) 06:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment The image is almost 100 years old. If I had the time, I would gladly visit my local University in a day just to get a reference for the use of this picture in a pre-1959 book since checking papers are impossible. But since I can't do this because of my work, you want to delete it now? The image is provided by the provincial government of Alberta website--which calls it the "Portrait of Alexander C. Rutherford"--and would surely have been printed at least once before 1959 since it existed by 1905/1910 and Rutherford was a Canadian premier and politician of first order, not a minor bureaucrat. This is a 49 to 54 year time difference to 1959. Jappalang, you don't observe good faith at all with this DR. The uploader conscientiously recorded the source--which tells me a lot about his attempts at historical accuracy--and I am more than prepared to assume good faith and common sense here. As I noted, a PD-Canada license is sufficient. If this was a 1950's picture, I could agree with you...but this is an official 1905-1910 image. --Leoboudv (talk) 09:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would kindly ask you to re-consider your words and examine your call of bad faith, which would be lacking in such an accusation. Government images have been kept for internal circulation, and there is no reason not to suspect this image was the same and did not appear outside the government circle until 1960 or later. Harping that it's creation in 1905 equates to its publishing in 1905 is of no help to this DR. Jappalang (talk) 07:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I second Pieter's suggestion here when he says: "let us make the reasonable assumption that there was a publication at the time." I am making a reasonable assumption here due to the extensive length of time (c.50 years) between the creation of the photo and 1959. I wish you would be reasonable too and stop trying to delete 100 year old images Jappalang. Are you going to next place a DR next on this image File:Lucie de Souza Cardoso em Manhufe 04.jpg because "the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation cannot be [held] responsible if, in any way, some commercial or other kind of uses of these photos violate any[one's] rights"? It was taken between 5 to 10 years after this portrait of Premier Rutherford of Alberta. I declare at a certain point in time, common sense must prevail. I will make no futher edits here and only ask that the Admin who closes this discussion exercise some discretion here. With kind Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, on the ground that, taking the date of creation into consideration, it can almost certainly be inferred that the image was used or published in the forty-eight year time period we are concerned with. I'm going to take common sense by the throat here and close as a keep. - Anonymous DissidentTalk 14:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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