Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Images from Odisha2017.games

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Files in Category:Images from Odisha2017.games

These images are claimed to be from odisha2017.games. Note that the source links are https and do not work ("secure connection failed"). Changing the links to http will display the site, which is in fact CC BY-SA 4.0. Unfortunately, all of the galleries on the site are now empty, and they are not available on web.archive.org. I will attempt to contact the website and resolve this problem. If it is not fixed, with no way to perform a license review, policy dictates that the images should be deleted.

Guanaco (talk) 05:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not able to find an email address on the site, so I can't contact them to discuss the issue. Guanaco (talk) 05:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

I think you realise this is is ridiculous. The release of these images by the Odisha government has been discussed at length on Twitter and in the signpost and on Facebook and on Wikimedia. To now claim that there is insufficient evidence undermines the whole idea of volunteering effort to this project. I hope I can work to get this overturned but what if I was busy elsewhere? What has gone wrong? We know that web people lose funding or get new instructions. Why do we need this drama? Victuallers (talk) 06:41, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't want these to actually be deleted, and if this isn't resolved after seven days I would ask that we give it more time. I know it's dramatic to nominate these all for deletion, but such is inevitable when you have 300+ images missing essential information. Better that we face this now, than have them unceremoniously deleted five years later when the Odisha government and everyone involved has long since moved on. I wouldn't oppose a consensus decision to keep these images if the standard license review procedure ultimately is impossible. Guanaco (talk) 07:16, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Guanaco, I am not sure what's sure what is wrong, except Safari, I am able to browse the website in other browsers, maybe because of cache memory. Victuallers and I have spent a lot of effort to upload these images on Commons. I would reequest here to give me some more time to discuss the issue with the government. Thanks --Saileshpat (talk) 08:47, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

I still don't understand what is wrong and why we can spend weeks loading images, talking about how clever we are on twitter and the signpost and then a random editor arrives and says you lack "magic tick number seven". This is like finding out that the BBC forgot to spit on their hands when signing their original company formation and according to a medieval law we have to delete all the content. I searched for five minutes and [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Odisha+2017+games+images+free+license&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB788GB788&oq=Odisha+2017+games+images+free+license&aqs=chrome..69i57.23654j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 found this cache comment (which you may need to study). You say "better now and not in five years time" ..... but the system seems so broken if your argument holds any credibility that I can see no reason why another minor bit of bureaucracy may not undo this work again. This is ridiculous and we need it fixing AND we need to stop further appeals against the weight of clearly having an open license or it would have been spotted a thousand times before. Victuallers (talk) 09:21, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

The HTTPS connection is also failing to me as well as Qualys SSL Labs tool.^screenshot — regards, Revi 10:33, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Guanaco: and @-revi: , The website is live now. --Saileshpat 17:18, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Sailespat: It looks the same to me. The http site has been up, but https is down. On the live http site, the galleries aren't working. Guanaco (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Guanaco: , Can we change https to http using some bot? Gallery section under http is working.---Saileshpat (talk) 05:32, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I can make that change easily using VisualFileChange. But the gallery isn't working for me. It shows the main listing of albums, but when I click on one or navigate directly to a catID it goes blank. Guanaco (talk) 05:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Just checked that, I think this is the best I can do. The event has already ended so it is difficult for the organisation to keep the site live . Is there any other way we can fix it? --Saileshpat 05:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Saileshpat: If we're strictly following Commons policy, the only other way would be OTRS permission from the photographer(s). I'm an OTRS agent myself, and I would be happy to help them process this. Guanaco (talk) 05:53, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Victuallers and Saileshpat: Maybe we can bypass the standard procedures here and do a "license review by consensus". If many users have seen and worked with this set of images, here and at odisha2017.games, we can reasonably conclude there is no significant doubt that they are free.

"All images listed in this deletion request are from odisha2017.games, where they were shown to be licensed CC BY-SA 4.0." Please  Support this comment if you have personal knowledge of the image set and know this statement to be true. Guanaco (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

 Support We have worked days and have to visit the government officials many times to get this work done. I respect policies but this is not the way to delete all images and let our work go in vain in one go. If the http website is live we can change the links from https to https. But It is not suitable to delete lot of images that are also been used in articles. The website is still licensed as cc-by-sa-4.0. Their ssl certificate has been expired which is a common thing when we consider a website that is not managed any more. And who thinks it should be deleted has at least make a small research and see the footer of the website. Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) ^talk 04:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

The images and the whole website are licenced as per description on the website. And you are able to see the images at "http://odisha2017.games/gallery.php", just on click away. Anyway, its quite usual, that content is changed and deleted from time to time. But that does not change the licence. --Eingangskontrolle (talk) 22:08, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Pleased to see that reason appears to have taken charge, but I still don't understand what went wrong. How do we avoid this happening again? 300 useful images are obtained and identified as having the correct license and then someone loses the original web site. That is almost expected, what I didnt expect was for a commons editor to suggest that all the work could now be undone. It could be that @Sailespat: and I had moved elsewhere. My expectation is that once images are cc-by-sa and loaded to wiki commons then they will be there forever. Should we have included a "licensereview" tag or what? Can @Guanaco: explain why this won't happen again? Was it just a mistake? Victuallers (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@Victuallers: The way to avoid this is to tag all uploads from external sites with {{LicenseReview}} or {{Flickrreview}}. Every file from an external site with the free license shown on the site should have one of these. Once reviewed, it doesn't matter if the site stays up. At one point, I think there was a bot to do this, but I don't remember the name, and I don't know if it's currently active. Guanaco (talk) 22:26, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@Guanaco: I get it now..... but how will Saileshpat and the hundreds of other keen volunteers get to know this? I have been adding LicenseReview to YouTube screenshots, but never been told to do this for photographs. I am an approved LicenseReviewer. I believe ...... but are we not going to need a lot more with every pic needing checking? It would appear that I need to add that overcheck to every upload ... and if this is the case then surely I need to add tho every picture I load? .... and Ive been doing this for ten years. Are all of "my" donated pictures at risk? Victuallers (talk) 17:01, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

@Victuallers: Unfortunately there's no easy solution. It should be automated, and Special:AbuseFilter/205 is one small step I took toward addressing this, but ultimately someone must write a bot to LicenseReview-tag all the old images from external sites. Then for the sites like geograph which have many thousands of files, a bot can complete the review. Structured data may be a big help in this. In current practice, any file from a deadlinked external web source is vulnerable if it doesn't have a review. "Own work" files don't need {{LicenseReview}} as there's nothing to review, so they're generally safe, especially when uploaded by a trusted contributor. Guanaco (talk) 17:25, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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Kept: per discusion. The http links are still working and showing the CC BY license. This license was verified by more than one trusted user. I see no valid reason to delete these files. --Materialscientist (talk) 04:18, 1 September 2018 (UTC)