Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Linguistic maps of Slavic languages

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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.

Files in Category:Linguistic maps of Slavic languages

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The source file, File:Slavic languages (no legend).png, has been deleted, because it had no source.

Anatoliy (talk) 19:14, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Files were originally nominated by Jcb in separate requests.--Anatoliy (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jcb and Daphne Lantier: Well, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Slavic languages (no legend).png is strange nomination. File was deleted as DW of no-sourced file. But original file was not deleted or nominated. Why? We should discuss deletion of original and then delete or not delete DW.--Anatoliy (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep I also do not understand Commons:Deletion requests/File:Slavic languages (no legend).png. The file was tagged with {{PD-self}} by user:Happenstance, I do not see any evidence to question that that user created that map. The reason for deletion was listed as "No source for the base map", so the worry is that the latitude and longitude of the country boundaries is copyrighted? Because the base map only shows boundaries which are not copyrighted. --Jarekt (talk) 20:08, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, maps are typically copyrighted. We speedy delete e.g. screenshots from Google maps. Although data itself is not copyrighted, there are many different ways to depict them in a map and a lot of choices to be made by the author of the map. This is mainly caused by the fact that the earth is spherical and our computer screens are not (yet) spherical. Jcb (talk) 20:40, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • Umm, this is definitely not taken from any Google map. Based on your premise, the majority of map images at Commons are up for deletion (uploaders do tell lies about pinching base maps and claiming them as their own work). Are you prepared to delete reams of files based on this rationale? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:54, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        • Unfortunately it's indeed true that many maps get deleted because they have unknown copyright situation. There are free maps (e.g. Open Street Maps), so it is possible to have maps at Commons. Jcb (talk) 20:59, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
          • Understood, but I think it's taking it too far with old maps that have been used in good faith. Eliminating all of these files would require exhaustive replication for the purposes of the maps being used on numerous wiki projects. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:13, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep per Jarekt. The only context in which the use of any of these files would be contentious would be for use within Wikipedia article space. Sources are not a Commons issue, and there's no issue of copyvio here. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:31, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete - no source for the base map. @Ahonc: This does not seem to be a DW of the JPG file, because that one has a different underlying base map. The JPG is missing source for the base map as well unfortunately. Jcb (talk) 20:36, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep - I understand importance of sources, but "There's no source" does not prove infringement of copyright.--Ma▀▄Ga 15:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
But the base map is just country boundaries on a flat map. I can generate it if I do a Scatter plot of public domain latitudes and longitudes, you can create it with dozens of tools of programing languages. I see no evidence that user:Happenstance who claimed {{PD-self}}, used any copyrighted base map. --Jarekt (talk) 15:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why are some files on the list above deleted, and the rest of them not?--Ma▀▄Ga 14:54, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because some files were already listed individually in older DRs, which all have been closed as delete in the meantime, but this DR has not yet been closed. Jcb (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but it's the same problem for all files, and they should be deleted together, of course, if they will be deleted.--Ma▀▄Ga 16:41, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree the other files are in the same situation as the ones already deleted. The other DRs were closes by two different admins, who both closed all of them as delete. So the most likely outcome of this DR is also deletion. Jcb (talk) 16:56, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Other DR were closed without any discussion. Unless someone actually look at the merit of the arguments and starts discussion, closing admin is likely to just go with nomination. --Jarekt (talk) 03:39, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Are you suggesting that both Daphne Lantier and Ellin Beltz were careless on closing these DRs? Seems improbable to me, I know them both as careful admins. Please be aware that closure is not necessarily based on the presence or absence of 'keep' votes. A DR is not a vote. Closing admin has to take a decision per policy, based on the presented information. Till now, none of the 'keep' voters have demonstrated that the underlying base map is free, or comes from a free source. Maps are typically copyrighted. Due to the fact that the earth is not flat but more or less spherical, there are many different ways to depict a map and several choices to be made. A map is not just PD-ineligible information. Jcb (talk) 10:52, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Maps are typically copyrighted. Tipically means that some maps are not copyrighted. No one has prove infringement of copyright, also.--Ma▀▄Ga 15:00, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, they should be restored until closing this DR.--Ma▀▄Ga 17:04, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest using COM:UNDEL if you do not accept my closes. Based on our policies, they were closed as delete. Ellin Beltz (talk) 13:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As I mentioned above: all files from list above have the same problem (if they have the problem). Each one should be treated equally. Individually deleting is just not OK. Why should someone ask to undelete something that shouldn't be deleted, regarding to the rest of files?--Ma▀▄Ga 15:00, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If result of this nomination will be 'Keep', deleted files will be restored.--Anatoliy (talk) 11:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep - Jcb apparently decided to make a Great Purge but his claims aren't substantiated. The assertion "base maps have no source" (therefore they are examples of copyvio) doesn't comply with the rule COM:PCP which states "where there is significant doubt about the freedom of a particular file, it should be deleted." --Iaroslavvs (talk) 02:21, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look on this file. It is transferred from english wikipedia (according to original upload log) in 2008, and deleted on english wikipedia two years later. Should you ask admins on en.wiki to take a look on source on en.wiki?--Ma▀▄Ga 15:00, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So, this DR (and related DR's of already deleted files) should prove the infringement of copyright. I can't see any evidence of that. Without any evidence the DR's are very disputable.--Ma▀▄Ga 08:45, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So, what about deletion log. We need source of file. It may be stated in 2006 version.--Anatoliy (talk) 11:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What if the source was cited in originally uploaded file on en.wp? You claim it isn't?--Ma▀▄Ga 13:33, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've asked the deleting admin (Quadell) for help, so hopefully we will have an answer (although they haven't edited there in a couple of months). Green Giant (talk) 18:50, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@MaGa: for what it's worth I think the ultimate source map was quite probably created by User:Robin_Hood~enwiki and so all of these deleted files should be restored but obviously it depends on the deleted contents of the file on Eng-Wiki. I can only suggest patience but even if the files are deleted they can be restored quite easily when we have the requisite proof. Green Giant (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I hope for the best.--Ma▀▄Ga 16:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The source file, File:Slavic languages (no legend).png, has been deleted, because it had no source. But if a map have one, it must be deleted because it's a copyviol. That's stupid. We must just follow the WP rules with discernment. The uploader of the source file, have created his map since all the linguistic map available, and registered as PD. --86.241.164.212 20:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone restore already deleted files and merge DR's with this DR (like here), please?--Ma▀▄Ga 09:39, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Ahonc: , @Ellin Beltz: , @Jcb: , @Daphne Lantier: , anyone, please?--Ma▀▄Ga 15:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This DR may remain open for a while, because it's obvious that the DR should result in deletion if closing admin follows the rules, but that's an impopular decision with all the keep votes on the page. Jcb (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@MaGa: You can open an undeletion request after the result of this one, I think. --Rezonansowy (talk) 15:16, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have already said my opinion above. We should wait for result here. If it will be 'Keep' we should restore photos. If we'll restore then now and result will be 'Delete', we should delete them again. That's why I do not think that we should restore now, before we have reuslt of discussion.--Anatoliy (talk) 19:35, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ahonc: OK, why is this file kept?--Ma▀▄Ga 15:24, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I said above about already deleted file. This file was not deleted, so I kept it to avoid to DRs for one file. But I did nkt search for all such requests. Only ones that was found quickly.--Anatoliy (talk) 15:29, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, deleted files should be restored until closing this DR. This DR can last forever.--Ma▀▄Ga 15:45, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can any admin resolve this, please?--Ma▀▄Ga 18:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: no valid reason for deletion. Quite a number of people think that there is no issue here. See also [1]. --Yann (talk) 11:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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