Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Mba.jpg

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Image:Mba.jpg

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I became aware of this via this EnWP FAC. The image is quite clearly not self made. I'm not sure on the copyright rules in Gabon, but I don't believe this image has had its copyright expired yet. Happy to be proven wrong. —Giggy 02:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do you know it isn't self made? It states so quite clearly on the description page. Editorofthewiki (talk) 11:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I too was suspicious of Polaert's uploading history. Some of his uploads (which he claimed were his own) look like scans from books. Nishkid64 (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I very much doubt the uploader could have taken such a close up, and I really doubt that after taking that photo, he'd have blurred it so it looked like a book scan. I mean, if you take a good close up photo, why lower its quality? —Giggy 00:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
These are clearly old pictures of Gabon. As you may or may not know many French military and civilian officials were stationed there and were very influential. The notion that someone "couldn't" have taken a picture of Mba, or Gabonese military officers working with French officials is naive (at best). Both these pictures are marked own work, there are no proposed alternate sources, so I don't see why Wikimedia must ASSUME the uploader is lying. I thought one assumed good faith... T L Miles (talk) 02:49, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
look at his photo Image:Syndicat d'initiative.JPG or Image:Jour de l'Indépendance malgache.JPG. This was someone stationed in Former French colonies (with tens of thousands of other) and has scanned the personnel photos which he released. T L Miles (talk) 02:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that we should assume good faith here, but I'd like to hear Polaert's take on this matter. I've contacted him on his French Wikipedia user talk page. Nishkid64 (talk) 13:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The photos that I uploaded on Commons have two different sources. Some come from family albums (Image:Manoeuvres militaires françaises à Madagascar.JPG, Image:Syndicat d'initiative.JPG, Image:Jour de l'Indépendance malgache.JPG, and Image:Afrique 32.JPG). The others (Image:Tsiranana photo libre.jpg, Image:Mba.jpg, Image:William tubman.jpg) are extracted from reports of Office de Radiodiffusion Télévision Française. They are not, strictly speaking, true photographs. I do not know if, in this case, there is really a copyright infringement but I am not an expert on the issue. Polaert (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep T L Miles sums it up well. Good faith should ALWAYS be assumed. If someone can find the book that was supposedly scanned, I'd be happy to strike my vote. Editorofthewiki (talk) 03:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete AGF is about assuming contributions are made with the intent of benefiting the project. AGF is not "assume copyright competence". It is, in fact, very common for uploaders to scan an image or photograph a piece of art and sincerely and in good faith believe that the derivative work is theirs to copyright; these copyvios do not mean the uploaders were acting in bad faith, merely that they have not grasped certain aspects of copyright law. This image fails the duck test; no details are present (e.g. no metadata, lower resolution, not a highly established editor, unlikely proximity to a historic figure, unlikely date for which Wikimedian's would have been taking pictures, etc.) to reasonably corroborate the tag. ЭLСОВВОLД talk 18:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete per elcobbola. It does appear that some of his own uploads are scans - see Image:Manoeuvres militaires françaises à Madagascar.JPG, Image:Syndicat d'initiative.JPG, Image:Jour de l'Indépendance malgache.JPG, and Image:Afrique 32.JPG. All of these, though, are high-res and extremely scratched. Compare this (president of Madagascar), this (president of Liberia), and the photo at issue (president of Gabon). All the president photos are tiny, unscratched, without metadata, etc. it is unlikely that the uploader had the opportunity to take photographs of not one but THREE african presidents and uploaded them at web resolution. Mangostar (talk) 18:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • From my en.wiki user talk page:
    • Hello. The photos that I uploaded on Commons have two different sources. Some come from family albums (Image:Manoeuvres militaires françaises à Madagascar.JPG, Image:Syndicat d'initiative.JPG, Image:Jour de l'Indépendance malgache.JPG, and Image:Afrique 32.JPG). The others (Image:Tsiranana photo libre.jpg, Image:Mba.jpg, Image:William tubman.jpg) are extracted from reports of Office de Radiodiffusion Télévision Française. They are not, strictly speaking, true photographs. I do not know if, in this case, there is really a copyright infringement but I am not an expert on the issue. Polaert (talk) 14:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
    • From Polaert's explanation, the portraits of M'ba, Tubman and Tsiranana would be copyright violations, I presume, provided that the Office de Radiodiffusion Télévision Française still maintains copyrights for said images. Nishkid64 (talk) 16:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted by Kameraad Pjotr: Copyright violation

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