Talk:Clarion (instrument)

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How is the clarion different from a bugle? Many of the articles in other languages linked to this one are about the bugle. Are they actually the same instrument? Ultimately, I'm wondering if the two articles should be merged, but my knowledge on the subject is almost non-existent. (The Spanish article suggests that the words are completely interchangeable.) _@Kaibab ^TALK 06:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In short, there's no real sense of what a clarion actually is. It seems like there was a time in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance when it referred to an actual instrument which was slightly smaller and brighter than the trumpet. However, the term was also used just as frequently to refer to the practice of "clarino" playing in the high register of the natural trumpet. There really should be a separate article or section in the natural trumpet article dealing with clarino playing. It's still a point of confusion in the field.

I tried to expand this article and clarify what is known about the term 'clarion'. It actually seems to me that if anything should be merged, it should be this short article with the article about natural trumpets, as a clarion would be a variation on that instrument. Also, the etymology I outlined and the usage overlaps a great deal with what should be added to that natural trumpet article. Trumpetrep (talk) 02:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused by the last lines--

"The confusion over the usage of these terms seemed to mainly dissipate in the Baroque era, when "clarino" (plural: "clarini"), and its variants, came to be specifically understood as the practice of playing the natural trumpet in its high register. The principal register of the instrument extends to the seventh pitch of the harmonic series. The clarino register runs from the eighth to the twentieth pitch in the series."

If by natural trumpet, you mean an instrument with a bore to length ratio similar to a modern trumpet or trombone, almost no one can play easily above the 12th or 13th 'pitch' in the harmonic series, If, on the other hand you mean an instrument similar in bore-length to a French horn, then they can, but they lose the lower register in the harmonic series. Thus (I think) the clarino cannot have been understood to mean a standard trumpet playing in the high register, but a seprate instrument.Jeffmatt (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with bugle?

I was attempting to link the frwiki Clairon article [1] to bugle, but can't since it links here. Honestly, this article is poorly written and should probably be merged. Thoughts? 2001:56A:F290:8900:E0E0:D0A4:3E45:8765 (talk) 05:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]