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LGBT Section Shapiro/Tur interaction is mischaracterized.
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In the LGBT rights section the following sentence is misleading.
"After Shapiro repeatedly referred to Tur, who is a trans woman, with male pronouns, she placed her hands around his neck and threatened on air to send him "home in an ambulance".
It should read:
"After Shapiro repeatedly referred to Tur, who is a trans woman, with male pronouns, she placed a hand on the back of his neck and threatened on air to send him "home in an ambulance".
The original sentence makes it sound like she was threatening to choke him. You can watch the interaction on YouTube. She placed one hand on the back of his neck and made the statement after he called her "sir".
Additionally, I made an edit to the same section. Shapiro referred to Jenner with male pronouns, not to Tur. The heated exchange between Shapiro and Tur began when he referred to Tur as "sir". The cited sources say the exact same thing so I did not modify the sources. -- zaiisao(talk | contribs)06:44, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
“far-right... Breitbart News”
Whilst the use of this descriptor is also present in the article for Breitbart, its use here is also worth discussing separately. The source seems somewhat dubious, as a quick Google search will reveal sources tend to describe the site as right-wing. The contention of this phrase is not worth importing into this article; readers can and ought to click on the hyperlink to find out more about the outlet. thorpewilliam (talk) 00:17, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Thorpewilliam: Hello. There have been long discussions of this at the Breitbart TP (something like 10 RfCs). The consensus is that Breitbart is considered a "far-right" news source. However, I completely agree with your sentiments that the descriptor is not relevant in the lead of this BLP. You're correct; users can easily click on the wikilink to learn about Breitbart. This article is not about Breitbart--it's about Shapiro. Why do you think we don't label Ami Magazine as an Orthodox Jewish publication or label Daily Wire as a right-wing source in this article? There's no dispute that those labels are not accurate, however this article is not about Ami Magazine or Daily Wire, so it's not necessary to add those extraneous qualifiers. Some logic should apply to the Breitbart descriptor. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 06:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I propose a merger from The Ben Shapiro Show and redirecting that article here. Actually the content seems pretty well merged already, the podcast doesn't seem to be independently notable from Shapiro, and it barely rates a paragraph, the content of which is in this article under "Host" and a tiny bit in "Political Positions" anyways. The page for The Ben Shapiro Show appears to have been created as promotional content [1] containing mostly mentions to self-awarded awards and promotional ad copy links (links to Daily Wire, "Westwood One", "iHeartRadio Podcast Awards") from companies involved in producing or transmitting it, which is not allowable under WP:PROMOIHateAccounts (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would have to disagree. As this is a broadcasted copyrighted podcast that is also televised, it exists as a separate entity to Ben Shapiro. Many other shows and podcasts are available as separate articles such as the very famous "Joe Rogan Experience" and almost every other televised broadcast. Events that happen on broadcasts should be recorded and made publicly available as a separate entity to a person's biography page. Anon 21:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
Already done -ink&fables «talk» 10:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
