Talk:Eartha Kitt

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Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:04, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"I Love Men"?

No mentioning of "I Love Men", that's strange. Was in 1984, too. -andy 80.129.88.142 10:59, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Possible error?

alternating between signature songs (such as Old Fashioned Millionaire) Does the writer perhaps mean Just An Old Fashioned Girl?

Naruto??

Hadn't she have a role of the girl form of orchimaru in naruto?..Kingdomheartsora

I can only say, it is not notable enough to add to the article. Lincher 06:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't confirm or deny offhand but I would argue for its inclusion if it can be confirmed. That type of work seems slightly unusual compared to the rest of the article, and Naruto is an extremely popular series. Seems notable to me. From where did you hear that?Meichigo (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Professionally exiled

Is this really the best way of saying what happened after she "made" Lady Bird Johnson cry. This makes it sound like the USA was akin to the Soviet Union, where no public opinions other than the official line were tolerated. Whate ever happened to freedom of speech, particularly about war-related matters? JackofOz 21:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't you remember the outcry against the Dixie Chix a few years ago? Meichigo (talk) 06:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

She was, as I recall, put on an "enemies list" by Nixon/Agnew/FBI, in a much publicized story at the time. Compare [1] which is, btw, a fairly good reference about her life as an activist. David.daileyatsrudotedu (talk) 13:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Eartha Kitt: Rush Limbaugh fan

You can spin/interpret this any way but:

Eartha Kitt attends lighting National Christmas Tree with George W. Bush

So far:

1. 1 She attended Rush's show and was on his radio show in the past (Early 90's)

1. 2 She recently (December 2006) stood next to President George Bush in a non-political rally. In that pic, I didn't see Eartha giving Bush grief? Do you think the Dixie Chicks would of done the same?

1. 3 Eartha Kitt on Bruce Springsteen:

"I think that Springsteen is playing into the hands of the enemy," she said. "I think that it is wrong for us to stand on a stage where people have paid to hear us sing or play an instrument and entertain them - it is the wrong place for politics. But if you ask me a question, if I was in the dressing room, I would give you an opinion.'

link to forum thread

1. 4 Interview quote with Eartha

"Q: Youve always been known as strong and independent-- someone who does it her way or not at all. Fair assumption?

""A: I never want someone else to be responsible for me. Everytime I say that, I also mean I dont want the government to be responsible for me. I want them to get out of my way and allow me to be responsible for myself. ... Just leave me alone so that I can do my own thing. "

Individual responsibility is what Rush's core beliefs are. So again, made perfect sense why Eartha would have something in common with Limbaugh and make this known by appearing on his show.

Unless I read/see otherwise, I think Eartha's a Republican (I don't think this is a big deal and not Wiki-worthy). Except for her being a fan of Rush (That's trivia worthy).

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Not to get into any type of argument/political debate/whatever

I vividly recall Eartha Kitt being an open fan of Rush Limbaugh and was seen on Rush's show in the early 90's "The Rush Limbaugh Show" (She was seated in the audience)

Rush enthusiastically pointed her out and she did her trademark 'purr' to Rush.

I'm sure this clip will end up someday on youtube (I don't have it)

This basically made me want to know more about Eartha and have since been a fan of her work.

Is it relevant as a Wiki entry? I think it makes for interesting trivia.

Well I'm not sure simply appearing in the audience of something makes you a fan. Did she say something to that effect? People have sat in his audience before that could not be more opposed to his ideology, so a simple appearance in the audience would not be enough to convince me. Plus, we would have to point out that she was a fan in the early 1990s if she did state she was a fan on the show; opinions and outlooks can change when this much time has passed. As an aside note, Eartha seems too intelligent to be a Limbaughite. But that last part is just my POV. I have asked for a citation in the article, and if one is not provided I will remove it soon. Also, please sign your posts. (Mind meal 06:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC))

"Eartha seems too intelligent to be a Limbaughite" I suggest you keep out of this then. I'm not trying to make this political and I can remain unbiased on this topic.

You're basically expressing a knee-jerk reaction and that's not akin to creating an effective wiki-entry.

I'm sure if you dug into the archives are Rush's websites, you could find the episode where she 'purred' and smiled at Rush. Even then you'd probably would debate that Eartha's purr was a 'sarcastic one'.

I will also say that I am not opposed to this if the facts actually lead us there, but appearances on someone's show hardly make you a fan. If you have a reliable source or transcript where she actually says to Rush or another interviewer that she is a fan of his, then I will obviously accept it as true. As of yet, no evidence has been presented outside of a claim. As for radio show appearances, Rush has invited political enemies on his show and interviewed them numerous times. (Mind meal 06:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC))

Alright, but the fact remains that Eartha was more than just a onetime guest. She exchanged correspondences/dialogues with Rush. I don't know

what it was about, but it would be wrong to assume that she's against what Rush stands for. This was over ten years ago. So if you want to dig, :::maybe you can find more info on this. Either way, I've seen people who hate Rush Limbaugh and they certainly

wouldn't of smiled and 'purred' at the guy. A scowl would of been more appropriate?

I still think this is a trivia-worthy wiki entry.

It is trivia worthy, provided you have a citation where she says she is a fan of Rush Limbaugh. Putting unsourced material in an article is like begging for someone to delete it. As for her purring at Rush, Jon Stewart has people who are diametrically opposed to his views on and they will joke back and forth with one another; Dennis Millers' appearances on his show would be one example. Like I have already stated, if you have a citation I'd be happy to let it stay. But simply appearing on a show hardly qualifies someone automatically as a fan. Do you see my point? In order to include this information, she needs to have said, "I am a fan of Rush Limbaugh". If not that, then a book citation stating she is would suffice. Something. Right now we have nothing at all. Again, please sign your posts when posting on talk pages. Oh, and I did try to "dig", to no avail. Besides, that really is not my job, as I did not insert the material. The onus is on you to prove what you have entered. Take care. (Mind meal 18:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC))

Please read the above points I posted. You wouldn't see the "Dixie Chicks" attending the Christmas lighting ceremony. Eartha's a classy woman, so it only makes sense she'd be a Republican. Framecut 18:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I take that to mean you don't have a citation or reference. This is silly, either reference your work or don't bother. (Mind meal 22:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC))

Link to Feb 16, 1994 reference

Eartha Kitt was a guest recently on Rush's TV show. They had been exchanging correspondence recently, yet Rush was hesitant to call her a 'fan' on the air. Now why would Eartha Kitt, a black woman, correspond with and attend the TV show of a man who supposedly hates blacks?

Rush didn't use the word 'fan', I recall him pointing her out and saying something along the lines of "We are fortunate to have the 'one, the only Eartha Kitt here in our audience ladies and gentlemen'", the camera then cut to Eartha "Purring" to Rush which prompted the audience to laugh.

So basically, you can't say I am making this stuff up. Also, the fact that Eartha was recently (2006 White House) with George Bush, adds to her Republican leanings.

I'm putting it back in. It's not a stretch of the imagination that Eartha is a fan/supporter of Rush/Republicanism.

My goodness, I don't know that you are even trying to understand all of this. I couldn't give a hoot whether she is Republican or not. That is not what this is about. I really do not want to get into an edit war over this. Citing a Google forum post by an anonymous user is hardly a reliable source of information. I dare say it is basically worthless. This encyclopedia thrives best on referenced material for a reason, so that we don't go inserting our suspicions or views into articles. Facts matter here, and gosh darnit if you can prove that she is a fan of Rush Limbaugh, then please do it. You still have not done so, and yet you place it right back in the article as if it were a fact. I will remove it again and report these incidents so an administrator can have a look and make a decision. I just added tons of information about Lionel Hampton, a hero of mine, about his Republicanism. I couldn't care less where the facts lead me. But I do care about facts. (Mind meal 23:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC))

Remove - I agree with Mind meal. Appearing on Limbaugh's show doesn't make Eartha a "Rush Limbaugh fan". Standing next to President Bush doesn't make her a Republican, and if she is indeed a Republican that doesn't necessarily make her a "Rush Limbaugh fan".

Framecut, if you cannot source your statement, please do not attempt to include it in the article. It's fairly simple, really. ^{SkyIsFalling 17:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC) (UTC)}

Do I see a 'revert-war' in the horizon? Framecut 22:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what you see on your horizon, but an edit war is certainly not my agenda. I have merely supplied a third opinion on the matter, and asked that you do not include unsourced statements. On the other hand, if you can find a reliable source for your statement, I'd be happy to see it included.

I hope that this is acceptable to you and that there is no need for further dispute resolution action. If it is not acceptable, I'd encourage you to list this dispute over at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies and wait for feedback before making further edits. ^{SkyIsFalling 03:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)}

Cherokee Heritage

I know personally that she is of Native American heritage. However, can someone find a source stating this about her heritage. Thank YouMcelite (talk) 22:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)mcelite

Is the Cherokee ancestry on her father's side or mother's side? Anyone know what proportion Amerinidian she was? F W Nietzsche (talk) 00:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Turkey

She was in Turkey as a singer in Istanbul in 1950. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.175.131.194 (talk) 15:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Why the hell is this important info missing from this article?

In 1968, Lyndon and Lady Bird Johnson invited Kitt to a celebrity women's luncheon at the White House to offer her views on inner-city youth. Taking the event seriously, not as a publicity stunt, Kitt pointedly criticized the Vietnam War and its impact on poor minorities. An infuriated Johnson put out the word that Kitt's rudeness had reduced the First Lady to tears, and Kitt found herself essentially blacklisted across the country -- afraid of incurring the government's wrath, venues simply refused to book her. It was later revealed that Kitt was made the subject of a secret federal investigation; her house was bugged and she was tailed by Secret Service agents. When the FBI failed to find evidence that Kitt was a subversive, the CIA compiled a highly speculative dossier that attempted to portray her as a nymphomaniac. Unable to find work in America, Kitt moved to Europe, where she would spend most of the following decade. In 1974, she courted controversy once again by touring South Africa; although she performed for white-only audiences, her show was racially integrated, and she raised money for black schools by selling autographs.

Kitt finally returned to the U.S. for good in 1978 as a cast member of the Broadway show Timbuktu, an all-black adaptation of Kismet. The audience greeted her with a standing ovation, and she went on to earn a second Tony nomination; President Carter even welcomed her back personally. Cowicide (talk) 12:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)