Talk:Kaechon internment camp

NPOV Dispute - Human Right Situation

I think that this section especially, and the whole page to some extent, is not neutral. It seems to be very extreme, fairly difficult to believe (I haven't checked the sources though) and likely written by someone who does not speak very much English - I'd be willing to bet that it was written by somebody in the government of South Korea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.250.121 (talk) 03:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

The human rights situation in North Korean prison camps is indeed very extreme and hard to believe. I did not believe it neither at first, but when you read more and more about the totalitarian nature of the North Korean regime and you read many witness accounts from similar camps, this forms a consistent picture into which even such extreme brutality fits. So before you dispute neutrality, please first read the sources (there are sources for almost every sentence and you will find more on Human Rights in North Korea), then google for more information about North Korea and then finally make up your mind.

People and authorities in South Korea by the way care much less about human rights in North Korea than people in Europe (where I live; unfortunately not native English) or North America. So your last remark reveals a bit your ignorance of the situation in Korea. But then you should not rush into such unjustified conclusions. Gamnamu (talk) 08:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, 99.237.250.121 has not checked anything. Editors who don't refer to facts should be banned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.10.231 (talk) 12:32, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Nonsensical propaganda

So it works like this: People get imprisoned in the camp, strictly seperated by gender and age. But then the guards bring women and men together so they can have sex and then they keep the offspring imprisoned, seperated by gender and age, and again bring men and women together to have them breed. And then once again. I mean, it's hell in there:

For 22 years, Shin lived at a political prison camp and did not know how to express his feelings. “I didn’t have anything such as emotions. Although I live freely now, there are many things that I still do not understand. I didn’t know words such as ‘sad’, ‘happy’, ‘I miss you’ and ‘pain.’” -> http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk02500&num=2313

But they're made to have sex so the ultra-evil Korean-punishment-system can have it's 3-generation-punishment? And we know that from what, one or two people..? I say: Anti-Korean-propaganda at it's finest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.122.38.176 (talk) 19:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you should read more carefully: Prisoners are not “made to have sex”, but they are exceptionally allowed as reward in case of hard work and complete submission. Not everything you do not believe is propaganda, perhaps you just lack the knowledge. You could easily find more than enough information from human rights organisations about the situation in North Korean prison camps. -- Gamnamu (talk) 11:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps and maybe all sorts of things are wrong with me and whatnot, yet your depiction makes even less sense measured with plain logic: People who behave best get the most cruel punishment as a reward, while those who break the camp-rules are being spared. Humbug. I might accept that children born in the camp are not allowed to leave and abused for slave-labour (that's still barely reasonable, because such kids could just be raised by the evil system to become perfect followers), but this 3-generation-punishment clearly is propaganda to make the enemy look ultra-evil. Torture and execution aren't enough (the US does that themselves), so this bloodcurdling barbarity is invented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.122.42.181 (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Cannot follow your thoughts: Why is it a punishment to be allowed to marry and have sex? It’s bad to know that your own child would also have a hard life as a prisoner, but in such savage circumstances the potential parents may not think about this in detail. They are just happy, if their child is not aborted by force or killed at birth. Maybe they have illusions that their child may get the favour to be released someday or they hope that a miracle happens and their family line does not disappear. The punishment of close relatives is often used in North Korea to make people consider the fate of their relatives before breaking a rule. The prisoners are very useful for the regime as productive hard working slaves and because of the bad family background (ancestry is very important) they want to isolate them from society. Hope this explains. -- Gamnamu (talk) 13:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Adding Google maps coordinates

..will be a good idea. 39.5711° N, 126.0555° E