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#rename to Trump shutdowm

Talk:January 2018 United States federal government shutdown/yes, rename! the ayes have it

Nicknames in the lede

I feel there's no consensus to have these in the lead. Just because the partisan press is trying to blame it on someone doesn't make these nicknames (Trump Shutdown, Schumer Shutdown, Shithole Shutdown) encyclopedic in nature. Without a consensus, let's get them out of the lede and keep them out. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. El_C 04:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Trump administration is referring to it as the Schumer Shutdown and the Democrats are calling it the Trump Shutdown. I think we can loose Shithole Shutdown though, it seems to be a term only showing up on liberal blogs.--Rusf10 (talk) 05:03, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we don't need to include every ridiculous nickname for the event. Master of Time (talk) 05:04, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

At a minimum having only Schumer's nickname for this event in the lead is a NPOV issue, and it would be too unwieldy to also have the one the White House is using("Schumer Shutdown") so neither should be there. If independent sources give this a nickname of some kind, maybe that could be used, but not ones applied by each side in the dispute. 331dot (talk) 20:32, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of ones politics or whether a consensus of blame can be reached, Wikipedia is a fair and unbiased source, and we should maintain neutral nomenclature in regards to this event. Titles of the shutdown should reflect previous naming patterns (ie United States Federal Government Shutdown of 2013). Nicknames can be reported secondarily, perhaps, if only to demonstrate sentiments of contemporary critics from both sides. Dorkmax (talk) 11:44, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Prior Trump statements and tweets

Time has a list of relevant tweets going back to May. It may be worth including some of these (from secondary sources) in the Background section.
Some more background events from Pod Save America, again worth including secondary sources that tie this into the shutdown.

Sounder Bruce 05:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. Dschslava^Δxparlez moi 16:56, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Rename to Trump shutdown

Closed illegitimate RfC created by sock of Kingshowman- Mr X 🖋 23:36, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This indigestible mouthful is impeding page views and causing eyesores everywhere. Per common name, we should rename this article “the Trump shutdown” as it is popularly known, after its originator, and add to the list of disgraceful things named after Donald Trump.

‘’’Enthusiastic Support’’’:per WP: Commonname— Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.143.205.27 (talk) — 63.143.205.27 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Oppose and suggest a speedy closure due to the RfC being malformed and proposed by an IP editor. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this loaded POV term. If there is a name that independent reliable sources come up with on their own that is being used, then maybe, but not this. 331dot (talk) 21:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources

This article is in need of sources immediately. From where should we select them? Dorkmax (talk) 11:45, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First single party shutdown

Yesterday, I made this change: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2018&diff=821416897&oldid=821413680

Which was helpfully amended by Zowayix001: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2018&diff=821444683&oldid=821443534

The information (which is relevant in my opinion, because it's historical) lived there for 22 hours, until removed by this change: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2018&diff=next&oldid=821568127

I think in its final form (after many others amending and improving it, the text was of good quality, and well sourced:

This is the first shutdown in United States history to occur while both chambers of Congress as well as the White House are controlled by the same party (in this case the Republicans). One-party funding lapses have occurred previously, but did not result in the federal government's functions shutting down.<ref>{{cite web|last=Grady |first=Constance |url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/19/16911148/government-shutdown-unified-control |title=This would be the first real government shutdown under one-party government, ever |publisher=Vox |date= |accessdate=January 20, 2018}}</ref> The shutdown began on the first anniversary of [[Inauguration of Donald Trump|Donald Trump taking office]].<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-2018-01-19-senate-vote-deal-latest-news-live-updates/ |title=CBS News |publisher=CBS News |date= |accessdate=January 20, 2018}}</ref>

I think unprecedented turns in government actions are worth mentioning?

--Solarius (talk) 12:51, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]