Talk:K. T. McFarland

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Comments made in regard to WikiLeaks

As I fail to have an unbiased opinion, I will not make any edits myself but I believe an edit to this page regarding her political commentary in Reactions to the United States diplomatic cables leak is in order.

The specific reference in question would be (Copied from Reactions)

^ McFarland, K.T. (30 November 2010). "Yes, WikiLeaks Is a Terrorist Organization and the Time To Act Is Now". Fox News. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/11/30/yes-wikileaks-terrorist-organization-time-act/. Retrieved 12 January 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.74.6.130 (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Proper name for article

The person about whom the article has been written is Kathleen Troia McFarland. Her given name is Kathleen Troia McFarland. She is known publicly as KT McFarland. The article is KT McFarland, but the person's actual legal name is Kathleen Troia McFarland. The edits by KittyHawk2015 should be reversed and KittyHawk2015 should be prevented from re-asserting the opinion which is contrary to prevailing Wikipedia practice. MaynardClark (talk) 04:17, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

   At present i have no opinion on that argument (and haven't even bothered to be sure which side our colleague is on) beyond noting that avoiding ambiguity as to person, and popular usage, are both relevant but legal name per se is seldom a deciding factor.
--Jerzy•t 18:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Nick

   The coincidence -- even if a mere coincidence between "Kay Tee" (initialism) and "Katy" (hypocorism for Kathleen et al.) -- is pretty cool. We should discuss how much is known about her attitude toward that (whether parentally intended, or mere) coincidence. And probably more important, how often the press calls her each, and quotes others calling her each.
--Jerzy•t 18:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

FBI Investigation

Can someone set up a new section on the FBI investigation into Michael Flynn, and look at links to McFarland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/us/politics/kt-mcfarland-flynn-russia-emails-congressional-testimony.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 (talk) 11:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Can someone set up a new section on the FBI investigation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.240.111 (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

   If you don't know understand what the markup is for starting a new section, use this 14-character string {{ping|Jerzy}} in your response on this talk page, to let me know. If on the other hand you need some kind of help beyond that, tell us all something about what makes you think such a new section is called for.
--Jerzy•t 20:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Can someone set up a section on KT McFarland, and her evidence to the FBI in 2017.

Appointment as Deputy National Security Advisor

While the main article cites reports that McFarland is expected to resign her position because of the resignation of Mike Flynn as National Security Advisor, other reports based on an anonymous source suggest that President Trump wishes her to stay on as Deputy National Security Advisor. The same source notes that McFarland has a close relationship with the Trump family, and her loyalty has earned significant trust from the President. It has also been suggested that this may have played a role in the decision by Robert Harward to decline the offer of the position of National Security Advisor, where he would have been McFarland's boss (at least on paper); however, the relative importance of this factor in Harward's decision is uncertain.

After some thought I decided this was all too tentative to place in the main article. But based on these reports, I have lightly edited (minor edit) the main article in order to attenuate somewhat the assertion of McFarland's "likely" resignation. My decision to mention this at all is based on my judgment that Laura Rozen has a pretty good track record for having reliable sources among officials in U.S. government foreign policy and national security circles. In any event, once the dust has settled the main article can be updated accordingly.Sharl928 (talk) 00:36, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Main article updated, based on a piece in The Hill, quoting McFarland as intending to stay on. Sharl928 (talk) 01:00, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

The Oxford University M.A.

I amended the entry on the Wiki page which stated "There she earned a combined master's degree in Politics, Philosophy, and Economics". This refers to the M.A. from Oxford on the biog section of the same page. Oxford University does not offer such a masters degree. The Oxford M.A. is strictly a Bachelor's degree. Anyone obtaining an Oxford B.A. can, after a period of seven year from original matriculation, on payment of a £10 (10 pounds sterling) fee, call it an M.A. (They cannot legitimately call this single degree a B.A., M.A.). The Oxford degree is similar to my own M.A.(hons) in Mathematics and Natural Philosophy (Theoretical Physics) from the University of Edinburgh - which is strictly a bachelor's degree, but with a title of 'Master of Arts'. One of my own teachers, the late and great Professor IVOR MALCOLM HADDON ETHERINGTON, did not bother to 'convert' his Oxford B.A. to an M.A. and always declared his degrees as BA(Oxon), PhD, DSc(Edin). I also obtained a Bachelor's M.A. in 'Mental Philosophy', which then enabled me to proceed to a PhD. My Mathematics M.A.(hons) was not classified as high enough for me to enter a PhD programme, but the philosophy one was. Kathleen Troia must have gained at least an Upper Second degree (II.1) in her Politics, Philosophy and Economics B.A.(hons) in order for her to be accepted for a PhD in a prestigious university. She probably earned a First Class degree. A II.1 is the normal minimum classification of a bachelor's degree for someone in the UK to start on supervised post-graduate work leading to joining a PhD programme. Calling Troia's PPE a combined master's degree is simply wrong, and it is a mistake which multiplies itself on the internet where citations are accepted from sources which are not equivalent to peer reviewing of academic journals. Research in the UK has shown that the majority of employers are unaware of the fact that the Oxford, Cambridge, Dublin, St Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Edinburgh M.A.s are, in fact, bachelor degrees. These are the Universities founded before 1600. --Ghezzabanda (talk) 23:32, 16 April 2017 (UTC) 2A02:C7D:D624:F00:C870:A23A:5C96:3166 (talk) 21:24, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

That's very interesting. Now find out what Troia got so that the article isn't guessing. 70.208.78.243 (talk) 13:15, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Finding out what class of degree Troia obtained is not easy as she has been very coy about telling the world which Oxford college she attended and the class of her degree. Normal practice among Oxford alumni is to say that they attended, for example, Merton College, Oxford. I have tried St Hughe's college as it was one of the women's colleges at the time and it seems Troia did not do her PPE there. When I have the time, I shall try the other women's colleges, plus the five male colleges (Brasenose, Jesus College, Wadham, Hertford and St Catherine's) which admitted women in 1974. It will take time and I am not sure whether the effort is worthwhile...Ghezzabanda (talk) 16:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

According to her LinkedIn page it looks like it was St Anne's College. 2600:1001:B115:B79F:14EF:6DAB:D6:D894 (talk) 16:59, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for this info, I am not on LinkedIn. Getting the info from St Anne's would cost me £12, and I do not think it is worthwhile for me to spend it. Oxford themselves do, however, back me up on the issue of the non-masters nature of the M.A., and I quote: “In Oxford, the status of Master of Arts is a mark of seniority within the University which may be conferred 21 terms after matriculation. The Oxford MA allows students to reach a new status within the University and is not an upgrade of their BA or an additional qualification'. It is awarded without further study and therefore has no subject or class.” (my emphasis) https://www.ox.ac.uk/students/graduation/verification?wssl=1 This means that the citation on the Troia Wikipedia page "There she earned a combined master's degree in Politics, Philosophy, and Economics" is incorrect. The Oxford M.A. "is awarded without further study and therefore has no subject or class", so The New York Times was misinformed. I wonder what the source of the misinformation was!! Here in the UK members of the government administration were well known for being "economical with the truth", it seems that others are profligate with it.Ghezzabanda (talk) 09:33, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Okay, we'll go with whatever you decide must be true. 174.200.4.49 (talk) 14:54, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, but I prefer to go with whatever Oxford University decide must be true about their own degrees - and this is certainly at odds with what was posted on the KT McFarlane Wikipedia page. Troia must know that the Oxford M.A. for which she applied seven years after matriculating (that is, in 1983 after leaving MIT) was not a degree, yet she is happy for the Jamestown Foundation, of which she is a Board Member, to cite her as being "a graduate of George Washington University (BA), Oxford University (BA, MA)".https://jamestown.org/analyst/kathleen-troia-kt-mcfarland/ No-one is an MA graduate of Oxford University. Ghezzabanda (talk) 17:53, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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One thing

I'm watching TV and this article from the Washington Post], from September 2017, is mentioned--it seems pretty important and comprehensive, but I don't have enough knowledge of the person to easily fit this in. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)