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Early 2011 MacBook Pro vintage or obsolete

Apple's "Vintage and obsolete products" page lists all three sizes in both the "vintage in US/Turkey only" and "obsolete worldwide" sections. I don't think that was the case last time I checked, but I don't know what it means for this article here on Wikipedia or when/if they'll amend the contradiction. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 03:54, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

16-inch MacBook Pro: 4th or 5th gen?

Are there any sources and information that 16-inch MacBook Pro is 5th gen MacBook Pro? I seriously doubt it since the design itself is identical to 4th gen to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.92.113 (talk) 21:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not identical, it has a redesigned screen with new dimensions, a redesigned keyboard, a different button layout, new speakers and internal design, and new dimensions for the chassis. It also has a new name. Generally major outward changes are considered a new generation. Apple even refers to it as such on the product page, "The 16-inch MacBook Pro base model is over two times faster than the previous-generation base model". Shivertimbers433 (talk) 05:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can not agree. 16-inch MBP wasnt announced from official announcment such as WWDC which is very weird. All new gen MBP announced from WWDC. Also, the hardware parts does not represent the generation. That happened quite a lot and yet they still considered as 3rd gen or 4th gen.

"The 16-inch MacBook Pro base model is over two times faster than the previous-generation base model." Officially, Apple does not use generation to identify MBPs. They identify base on the release year such as 2019. I contacted Apple and I got confirmation about this information. So yeah, they were refering to 2019 15-inch MBP, not 4th gen MBP.

Overall, there is no source or official article that 16-inch MBP is a 5th gen MBP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.92.113 (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An official announcement isn't a requirement. The Slim Unibody iMac was announced via press release. Sorry, but your alleged conversation with Apple isn't verifiable. --Shivertimbers433 (talk) 01:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You need to contact Apple directly from Apple.com and they don't identify MBP base on the generation instead of a year. Also, the generation that wiki is using is officially not verifiable from Apple. https://support.apple.com/en_US/specs/macbookpro The Slim Unibody iMac WAS announced through the Apple event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqMUZkwwnuA here's the proof. Well, technically, we are talking about MBP, not iMac so I wouldn't consider that as an example. Also, MacBook Pro 2015 with a new trackpad is a great example. After one year, they fully re-designed MBP. So at this point, there is no way to verify if 16-inch MBP is 4th gen or 5th gen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.92.113 (talk) 18:07, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see the keyboard represents a 5th gen MBP but technically, 16-inch MBP is identical to other scissor-type keyboards. I really don't think 16-inch MBP has a new keyboard type.

I personally think that the 2019 16" and 2020 13" should be moved back to '4th gen'. There have only been minor outward changes. There have been chassis changes in the past without being a new generation; for example in 2013, the 13" MBP became thinner. This did not signify a new generation. The 2019 16" is a bigger mid-cycle update than usual, but still shares almost exactly the same look as the 2019 15". It makes even less sense for the 2020 13" to be listed as a new generation. In the base model, the only change was the keyboard. I don't think this can be counted as a new generation, as otherwise why not when the screen was changed to TrueTone? Why not when the trackpad became Force Touch? Why not when Thunderbolt was added? Etc etc. Cambookpro (talk) 13:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth generation (Touch Bar and Thunderbolt 3) vs (Touch Bar and USB-C)

In March, the "Fourth generation (Touch Bar and Thunderbolt 3)" was renamed to "‎Fourth generation (Touch Bar and USB-C)" because "The connector type is more widely known as USB-C"

I would argue its not about the connector type. A USB-C connector which only supports USB 2.0 HS (High Speed) is a valid USB-C connector, while Thunderbolt 3 guarantees Thunderbolt, Display Port and USB 3.1 Gen 2 support. Therefore, "Fourth generation (Touch Bar and Thunderbolt 3)" is more precise, as an alternative, "Fourth generation (Touch Bar and Thunderbolt 3 via USB-C)" could be considered, to make it more accessible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intg (talk • contribs) 06:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unofficially supported macOS versions

Up until May 2019, the supported OS section for older Mac Book Pros, e.g. the 2008 models, stated: "OS X 10.11 El Capitan (Unofficially, can run up to macOS 10.14 Mojave with Mojave Patcher)" with Mojave Patcher being a Link to https://dosdude1.com/mojave/ .

This was removed because of "WP:V, WP:NOTPROMO". I do not see the issue. I would like to add unofficially supported versions as yellow boxes to the table in the section "Supported macOS releases". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intg (talk • contribs) 06:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Should we split the article?

Should we split the article into different generations of MacBook Pro models, like the iPhone and iPad articles? Glenxoseph (talk) 03:32, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Supported macOS releases

Regarding MacBook_Pro#Supported_macOS_releases

This strikes me as a case of table misuse (MOS:NO-TABLES). Can we convert this into a list of hardware models, and for each bullet mention the supported range of OSes simply? --Saledomo (talk) 14:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

3rd generation anti-reflective coating issues, aka 'Staingate'

There is another article on Staingate, but I think it should either be merged with this one, or at least a link should be placed in the third generation section, since it's a common issue with this generation.

It's a very prominent and notorious problem, and apple had a program where they would replace the screens free of charge, therefore acknowledging the design flaw. I hope that this info can be included. 128.195.66.168 (talk) 07:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

6,2 version MUST have two Memory cards

See title. I made the mistake of replacing two 4MB SIMMs/DIMMs (which one?) with one 8MB. BIG MISTAKE when it came time for restoring the OS. Many headaches would have been avoided if I had kept it 4+4 MB cards, PLURAL. LP-mn (talk) 00:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]