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Early comments

Cheers, removed the NPOV.

Nsoltani 14:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edited Swedish section, i am in my final year of medical school in Sweden and i believe the information to be correct now.

--Gabbonator 19:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added a POV check in the Swedish section because it seems biased to call any form of education "easy". "Easy" is relative to the person, not the teachings. Would like if someone with more information to correct this issue.

Nsoltani 14:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added the NPOV check in the U.S. section because there seems to be language biased toward a D.O., with no mention that an M.D. is more common, more widely recognized, etc., but I don't know enough about the issue to correct it. Tuckerma 21:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have just tried to expand upon the previous entry, in an effort to begin to internationalise the information. It obviously needs more work.

I agree with Diberri that the list of "famous" [US] medical schools seems somewhat unneccessary.

--Daveb 11:15, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Is there any convincing reason to maintain a list of so-called "famous" medical schools on this page? Seems to me that such a listing might be a bit biased. --Diberri 11:05, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've removed this POV list. --Diberri | Talk 01:50, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)

I've expanded quite a lot on the UK section, and could realistically go quite a lot further. Might it be worth pulling the UK out into its own page? --James Bedford 01:29, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it is too bulky for this overview and that it deserves its own page.

The medical student life is beyond the scope of this topic so probably should go into the UK-specific article; it probably needs a bit of cleaning up and "decoloquialising" to be in keeping with the encyclopaedic nature.

Much of the PBL/traditional GEMP/UEMP info is common to other countries, e.g. Australia has been increasingly using 4 year GEMPs for over a decade (interestingly, a number of UK medical schools license Australian curricula).

Good work, --Daveb 02:53, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Daveb, seems my first contribution to wikipedia was ok...

Have moved the page to UK Medical School, but would appreciate some advice on tidying up - I'm not happy about just leaving "See the UK Medical School pages for more...", seems a bit user-unfriendly.

Also, might separate pages for PBL etc. (i.e. those topics that are transferable across countries) be a good idea, or could that be fragmenting things too much?

Cheers, --James Bedford 01:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi James,

Thanks for doing that. I have reformatted the redirect, and will probably rename the new article to fit with usual conventions, bit I think a new article is warranted.

You could probably leave a really brief summary in this article, eg covering the fact that there are different models used.

Thanks again, --Daveb 06:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Jfdwolff, I fail to see why you reverted the edit by 202.83.48.61. Could you pleas explain your action. --Admiral Roo 16:31, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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Restructure

This page is becoming quite long as various examples from around the world are added. In addition, some are beginning to touch on postgraduate training/education, which varies great around the world, perhaps moreso than basic training. As such I recommend spinning off daughter articles for the different medical education systems listed. These could combine both basic and postgraduate training, and as such could be named "Medical education in <location>". Cheers, --Daveb 06:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What about the Medical College (India) I had already created Doctor Bruno 19:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea to have a spin-off article to lessen the burden on this article. Are the medical colleges wholly responsible for medical training in India, or are other organisations involved? (I am not familiar with the system there). If other are involved you could create an overview "Medical education in India" article, which refers to the Medical College (India) article where appropriate. Cheers, --Daveb 00:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The only institutions imparting Medical Education in India is a Medical College. Both the undergraduate as well as post graduate education is imparted over there. The college is attached to a hospital Doctor Bruno 20:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

United States

CMS - 10/22/2006

"Medical education in the United States requires a college degree and is typically 4 years in length."

This bit of information under the United States heading isn't accurate. Medical school matriculation in the U.S. does not require a college degree although it is typically recommended. I know of at least 3 students in MY class alone who did not have any type of college degree and were accepted into medical school. While the vast majority of incoming medical students have 4 year degrees, it isn't a requirement. I believe the requirement is about 90 hours of coursework, which must include the required courses for medical school entry.

What school are you at? No, don't tell me. It is considered very rare to gain admission w/o a college degree, to the point that most adcoms will laugh if you ask about it. I checked at my medical school and graduate school (also has a med school) and neither accept any applicants w/o a degree or know of schools that do, they simply leave the option open in case an exceptional nontrad applicant or something similar comes along. Gtadoc 01:37, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Concurred. Med school education in the US, as a rule, requires a college degree. There are exceptions to most rules, but unless these exceptions are notable, they're not worth noting. Antelan ^talk 02:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed some information from the china medical school section. Somebody had put a link to a medical school and I thought that was inappropriate. It would be helpful if a chinese would add some info to that section. Yukon guy 11:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Macedonia

Removed the description of Republic of Macedonia medical education system as it was completly copied from the German one, with Macedonia inserted insted of Germany. Planing to write a description in the near future for the former Yugoslavia as the system is basically the same in all the former Yugoslavia republics.

Please don't blank sections

I have added expansion notices to all the sections that have been deleted. Whenever a breakout article is created a summary should be left behind, or the problem of balance is made worse rather than better. ReeseM 00:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Undid a blacking by OsteopathicFreak . Not sure why that section was blanked; especially given the intended international prospective of articles on medical school it is important to at least mention the extensive training that is taken after medical school as it is not the case in all countries. Gtadoc 18:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photograph

With no offence intended to its staff or students, I don't believe the photo of the Faculty of Medical Sciences of the State University of Campinas adds anything to the article, which doesn't even contain a section on Brazil. The article is not about med school architecture, and the image can't be included as being representative of all medical schools, which all look different. I have removed it for now. James Bedford 22:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doctor of Osteopathy

In the fourth paragraph the following appears:

Although a medical school may confer upon a graduate the title of Doctor of Medicine or Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine, a Doctor of Medicine/Osteopathy (M.D./D.O., respectively) typically may not legally practice...

I've read the osteopathy page, and it appears that the only country where medical schools confer the title "Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine" is the USA. Additionally M.D. is fairly specific to the USA as far as degree letters go - in the UK M.D. is a postgraduate degree taken after a medical degree, and many countries use some variant of MBChB/MBBS/BMBCh etc.

I suggest it's inappropriate to mention this here - perhaps it should be given prominence in the USA section. I suggest changing the text back to:

Although a medical school may confer upon a graduate the title of Doctor of Medicine, a doctor typically may not legally practice...

James Bedford 15:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Health science center

Do institutions called "health science centers" (e.g. University of North Texas Health Science Center} qualify as "medical schools"? If not, I'd like the distinction made in the article.-Wikiphilia 19:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To my knowledge the answer is yes, as far as I can tell the title "health science center" is often inclusive of a medical school and other schools such as dentistry, nursing, and physical therapy. University of North Texas Health Science center is a DO school. Health sciences centers often also have associated graduate science programs but usually do not have corresponding undergraduate programs (at least not at the same campus, for example University of Colorado Health Sciences Center.

Canada

I set out to change a few words, and ended up rewriting and expanding the scope of the section. My apologies, folks. The note "Restructure" listed above seems extremely relevant now! I will leave the section as is for now, but in the next few days I will create an "In Canada" article, and write a précis of the now-very-large section for this page. Hope this is okay. Dannywp 06:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks/sounds good to me, I like the canada section and agree that it could do with expansion in a dedicated page. Gtadoc 06:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iceland

Icelandic medical graduates are awarded the degree cand. med., not MD (seems to be the same degree as in Norway, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cand.med.). Icelandic doctors are usually not referred to by a doctoral title in their native language (eg. dr. <Name>) unless they have completed a PhD. Also, the one year they complete after receiving the cand. med. degree is not what is normally referred to as a medical residency. This is misleading. A medical residency is specialty training for doctors, specializing them in a certain field of medicine. This 12 month period, called "kandídatsár" in Icelandic is composed of rotations in the major fields of medical practice, to give them experience before allowing them to practice as "deildarlæknar" (roughly the equivalent of US residents). "Kandídatsár" can be literally translated into English as "candidate year". Those currently doing it are called "kandídatar" (candidates). I think we should refer to this year as "internship", not "residency". Almost all (nowadays, probably all) Icelandic doctors go to specialty training, residency, within a couple of years from finishing the above-mentioned compulsory year of internship. This is usually done abroad, as the only residency programs available in Iceland are OB/Gyn and family practice. Additionally, the first two years of internal medicine and general surgery can be done in Iceland.

This is my first time contributing to Wikipedia, so I'm not sure I'm putting this in the right place. Feel free to move it or educate me on how to do this. 157.157.184.206 (talk) 09:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)kristosig at gmail.com 09:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External Links

Suggest removal of this link: www.russiamedicalschools.com. Points to a page that may represent a specific medical school, but isn't relevant to this topic. Drake 02:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

External link to 2007 USnews.com top 50 medical schools is probably valuable to users, but it currently points to an index page for the current version of their graduate medical schools (2008) section. Link text, and possibly destination, should be changed to match contents of this entry. Drake 02:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the US News link per your suggestion. I'll leave the removal of the Russia link to someone who is a bit more familiar with that (if there's anyone). Antelan ^talk 04:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]