Talk:Taito Phillip Field

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Perhaps this article should be renamed Phillip Field - the Taito is a title, and we dont have a Sir Edmund Hillary... As far as I know the naming convention is to leave honorifics out of the title. Any discussion would be appreciated -- Mostlyharmless 06:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

support. move to Phillip Field. Helen Clark's article isn't The Right Honourable Helen Clark, rather Helen Clark

I've moved it.-gadfium 01:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is wrong. It is a matai name or matai title. It is not an honorific like Sir or Rt Hon. Every matai name is a different name. Every other article I have seen about a matai has the matai name in the title of the article. To be consistent you would have to remove "Prince of Wales" from the article title Charles, Prince of Wales, because "Prince of Wales" is the same sort of title. Nurg 13:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy for someone who knows more about it to move it back. I note that there has been no objection to the move until now, although I made it almost a month ago, so this is not a pressing problem, and it might be worth canvassing opinion at the Village pump. I see we have the articles Taito Waqavakatoga and Taito Waradi. It might also be worth posting at Talk:Taito in case anyone is watching that page.-gadfium 20:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hes referred to as "Taito Phillip Fields" in both Parliament and Labour party records. [1] & [2] Mattlore 22:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But Helen Clark is referred to in Parliament as "The Right Honourable the Prime Minister", Lockwood Smith as "Doctor the Honourable Lockwood Smith", Michael Cullen as "the Honourable Doctor Michael Cullen". Parliamentary precedent means squat, as they use formal title for everything. --Midnighttonight Remind me to do my uni work rather than procrastinate on the internet 05:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The style guide says that "Do not use [titles] as part of a title of an article...the article itself should clarify details such as the full title, etc." Brian | (Talk) 10:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brian, re your quotations, please quote the first sentence in full and provide the context for the second sentence you've quoted. thanks Nurg 11:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the name because the convention for matais is well established in wikipedia. Eg, Su'a William Sio, Tuala Falani Chan Tung, Fiame Naomi Mata'afa, Laulu Fetauimalemau Mata'afa, Le Mamea Matatumua Ata, Matatumua Maimoaga etc etc. Nurg 02:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that this should have gone through RM Brian | (Talk) 05:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]