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Fair use rationale for Image:The Last Castle Theatrical.jpg

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This issue has been resolved. --76.229.168.236 06:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LAV?

WTF is that LAV at the end with the water cannon? --Johnny (Cuervo) 06:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brig Gen

I changed Gen. Wheeler credit to a Brigadier General because he has 1 star in the movie. The significance of this is that General Wheeler star was pinned and highly respectful of his formerly superior officer by Lt. Gen Irwin. 10:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Ammunition, guns, confusion=

Aguilar is the second prisoner killed by a single shot to the head from a distant tower guard. There is no indication these are "rubber bullets," which is unbelievable.

Prison guards in towers generally have rifles for long-distance sniping. In this film, the tower guards do appear to aim carefully for long distance kills, like Aguilar's. Yet the guards are also seen cocking their weapons (including just prior to the shot that kills Aguilar) with a pump action, indicating they are shotguns, not rifles. Shotguns can fire solid slugs and possibly rubber bullets, but to make a clean head shot at such a distance with a shotgun would be extremely difficult. For a shotgun to create such a small wound (as shown after Aguilar is killed) is IMPOSSIBLE with a shotgun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.94.33.121 (talk) 02:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Throughout the whole film they were using rubber bullets until the end when Col. Winter authorized the use of real bullets. Also when the helicopter was taken over, the man in the tower said something along the lines of "screw this rubber bullet shit" and put in a real round. As for the shotguns and rifles the article makes no mention of what type of gun is used but it seems like they would have both rifles for long range and the shotgun for short range scatter shot. 64.203.19.96 13:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments from Scartol

In general this article is looking good. The plot summary is a bit long, but not outrageous. I must say that I didn't really care for this movie, and I was surprised to see someone dedicating so much time and energy to it. However, you've done a good job covering the bases and giving the reader an overview of the film's production and reception. Below are some thoughts I had while I read.

Plot

Include Winter's first name in the "Plot" section.
- I think there isn't one specified--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Irwin is punished harshly after stopping a guard from clubbing a prisoner, who is taught by Irwin to salute. This doesn't make sense to me; are the punishment and the salute connected in any way? What form does the punishment take?
- After a prisoner (aguilar) saluted Irwin incorrectly, he taught him how to salute correctly. Winter sees that and orders the punishment of the prisoner. One of the guards tries to club the prisoner whereby Irwin steps in and stops the guard. He gets hit for that. After that Irwin and the prisoner have to salute till the end of the day.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good idea to avoid overlinking. General links to things like U.S. Marines aren't generally necessary.
- Done I think--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Winter orders a sharpshooter to fire a normally non-lethal rubber bullet directly into Aguilar's head, killing him. The wording here is very important. Does Winter order the sharpshooter to fire into his head? Or just to fire?
- He orders the kill (the sharpshooter to fire into his head)--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Irwin ignores the inmates who are part of his plan to get rid of Winter and asks Yates to help them... This is unclear. Are the other inmates telling Irwin to avoid working with Winter?
- To avoid working with Yates.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The plot summary is pretty long. I'd say three paragraphs is a good target for the length of this section.
- Will try--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Irwin organizes a plot to throw the prison into utter chaos by taking control of the facility. This doesn't make sense. If he plans to throw the prison into chaos, then no one's in control, right?
- His plan is to raise the flag upside down as a signal of stress, so that Wheeler would remover Winter from his post.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Production

The info about Gandolfini's price feels stuck in. Can we get some other info about the various actors?
- There isn't much info, nope. I had a cast section with some info about some actors but most didn't have info so I just removed it. The gandolfini part is stuck in yep. I didn't know where to put it.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's always good, when providing a quotation, to indicate in the article who says it. ("As film critic Bob Smith points out...")
- Where? Don't know what you mean--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

He also compared the relationship between Mark Ruffalo and Redford as a struggle between doing what he sees as reasonable or just following the father figure. This sentence is unclear. Rephrase?
- Will do--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The critical review section feels long and drawn out. I recommend choosing a few of the most indicative reviews and focusing on them.
- It was short but didn't have much explanation about why it isn't well received. I added all possible info where not so important ones can be removed later.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hope these suggestions are useful. If you have any questions, please let me know. Good luck with the article! Scartol • Tok 17:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for this review--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Last Castle/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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Is it reasonably well written?
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Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
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B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
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Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
It would be nice if some pictures were here of the characters, especially the main characters.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Great. No major problems expect for redlinks, but this does not affect GA. --The New Mikemoral ♪♫ 22:19, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Location of movie

I was very interested in the location of this movie and looked for it at the end. It clearly stated that it was filmed in Nashville, Tenn. and Washington, Ga. I would like to know why Washington, Ga. isn't included in this article? I would like to know it what way Washington, Ga. was used in the making of this film. Often, I find that small towns aren't given proper credit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.66.26.117.93 (talk) 16:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]