Talk:Troy

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Ilium usage and inconsistencies

Ilium

in the first paragraph this is shown as an alternative name for Troy, and given a Greek spelling (in brackets), but in the main article section on the name Ilium is said to be the Latin, and Ilion or Ilios are the Greek names for Troy. This all seems very inconsistent and should be corrected.

On the Ilium disambiguation page, in reference to Troy, is listed as Ilion (using the masculine Greek) and not as Ilium (using the neuter Latin) - this again seems inconsistent and should be corrected.

Ilium is Latin, Ilion and Ilios are Greek. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.24.1 (talk) 10:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks! Botterweg14 (talk) 15:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Wrong and inconsistent dates for the destruction of Troy VI

This article states: "Troy VI existed from around 1750 BC to 1300 BC", which is correct according to the current consensus (see Strauss 2006, Cline 2013 and others). But then is says "Troy VI was destroyed around 1250 BC, corresponding with the sublayer known as Troy VIh." This is inconsistent with the prior statement and does not agree with the current consensus (that an earthquake c.1300 BC is responsible for the damage to Troy VIh.) It ought to be corrected. 2600:1702:28E0:EE0:75E3:BDC1:F666:EEC4 (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Good catch! If there's other mistakes, you can be bold! Botterweg14 (talk) 07:33, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Restructuring the article

I was thinking of reorganizing the article and wanted feedback first. I worry that the current structure buries some of the more important points (e.g. the archaeology of Troy VI/VIIa) and lumps or splits some things that would be more natural for readers to encounter in one place (e.g. texts about Wilusa with the archaeology of Troy VI/VIIa). Here's my thought:

• Site (current “Site Conservation” plus “Archaeological layers”)
• Expanded lead that covers things in a little more detail (e.g. mentioning Troy VI's lower town, but not the murex shells)
• Early Troy (current Troy 0-Troy V sections)
• Late Bronze Age Troy (current Troy VI-Troy VIIb2 sections, plus “Hittite Records” section)
• Greek and Roman Troy (current Troy VIIb3-Troy IX sections, plus “Classical and Hellenistic Troy")
• Excavation History
• Troy in Legend

Another worry is that the article is currently too detailed for some readers but not for others. For instance, someone could care about Troy VI's lower town but not about the murex shells. My first thought was to address this with a somewhat more detailed lead, but I also had the thought of splitting the article. Botterweg14 (talk) 20:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, I really have only ever poked at the excavation history part of the article, the rest ie levels etc being the sort of contentious stuff I try to avoid. :-) So restructuring is fine with me. I would say that my sense is that the article is too long. Yes Troy has been excavated for maybe 150 years but I would say that there were only maybe 3 dozen actual seasons in that period. Anyway, a bit of tightening up would help the article I think, though I did just add a couple sentences so I guess I'm not helping things.Ploversegg (talk) 02:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a "dream edit" you've been restraining yourself from making? I'm certainly willing to kill some darlings if they make the article better. Botterweg14 (talk) 19:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll look it over. Though I do remember that the site conservation is just a big advert so while I'm thinking of it ...Ploversegg (talk) 20:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)