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Section sizes

Section size for United Airlines Flight 93 (20 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	7,497	7,497
Hijackers	9,552	9,552
Flight	2,455	11,669
Boarding	5,707	5,707
Hijack warnings issued	3,507	3,507
Hijacking	1,792	29,768
Cockpit transmissions and recordings	12,942	12,942
Passenger and crew phone calls	15,034	15,034
Passenger revolt	9,809	9,809
Crash	16,529	16,529
Aftermath	18,083	38,616
Possible targets	5,628	5,628
Fighter jet response	5,323	5,323
Memorials	9,582	9,582
Victims	874	874
See also	116	116
Notes	24	24
References	28	28
Further reading	786	786
External links	2,459	2,459
Total	127,727	127,727

Mike Pence citation

I believe it would be good to add some context to Vice President Mike Pence's citation on the Memorials part. One might be led to think he was the Vice President by the time of the attacks. I suggest simply adding, "On the sixteenth anniversary of the crash, Vice President Mike Pence, who served in Congress at the time of the attacks, spoke at the memorial [...]". LucasBitencourt (talk) 20:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Toxin-related deaths

I think it would be important to note in the Aftermath section that at least three individuals that participated in the response and subsequent investigation into Flight 93 have died from 9/11-related illnesses, particularly due to inhalation of carcinogens at the crash site.

These individuals are as follows:

- Special Agent Laurie Fournier, Federal Bureau of Investigation (December 26, 2009)

- Sergeant Thomas O'Connor , Pennsylvania State Police (September 16, 2009)

- Christopher Walker, Shanksville Volunteer Fire Department (June 3, 2019) Brandondsantos (talk) 04:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Much better and specific attribution concerning O’Connor and Walker will be needed. Acroterion (talk) 04:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cockpit recorded voices

It seems like the part about the last voice recordings in the Passenger Revolts section uses outdated sources.

The final spoken words on the recorder were a calm voice in English instructing, "Pull it up."

This can't be true if you take the official transcript of Flight 93 voice recording into account, since there is no voice transcribed that said "Pull it up". ([1]https://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/flight93cvr.html)

I assume this is because the source (Ref. 83), which is from 2003, before the official transcription was publicized, must have been wrong. 217.9.50.118 (talk) 23:46, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a repeating sentence in the introduction.

I am requesting a change from:

"The hijackers planned to crash the plane into a federal government building in the national capital of Washington, D.C. The hijackers planned to crash the plane into a federal government building in Washington, D.C., the U.S. capital."

To:

"The hijackers planned to crash the plane into a federal government building in the city of Washington, D.C., the U.S. capital."

Or:

"The hijackers planned to crash the plane into a federal government building in the national capital of Washington, D.C." Omerhijazi404 (talk) 23:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:43, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: A small typo (I think) on 25 September 2023

I believe the following sentence in the Hijacking > Cockpit transmissions and recordings section makes more sense with the word "time" removed: "Officials believe that at around 09:28, the hijackers killed Mark Rothenberg,[47] assaulted the cockpit, and moved the remaining passengers and crew to the rear of the plane time to minimize any chance that either the crew or the passengers would interfere with the attack". Mcneda (talk) 19:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

slight error

Picture box in "Hijackers" section is missing a photo of Ahmed al-Haznawi. So it describes 4 people in the caption, but only has photos for 3 of them. Violarulez (talk) 18:06, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]