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Welcome to Wikipedia, Dilek2! I am Dougweller and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for your contributions. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Dougweller (talk) 16:04, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Ottomans today

Hi Dilek2, I am also interested in the subject of the living descendants of the Ottoman family. I have noticed that there have been many strange changes to their pages. 1 - Someone has added the word "Hazretleri" to all of their names. What does this mean? 2 - added a person who is not an Imperial Prince - I have removed this. 3 - There is a lot of information with no citations at all. It is difficult for me to add to the articles because I do not speak Turkish but perhaps we could work together to improve some of the articles. Please do contact me through my talk page. MissyMaddie (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hazretleri means Holy...

Ersin Faikzâde

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I'm a Friend of Ersin and he allowed me to copy it... Dilek2 (talk) 21:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Emirzâde_Şaban_Bey

An article you have contributed to on Emirzâde_Şaban_Bey has been archived in case of deletion at a link that I am not supposed to tell you because it's spam. Please message or email me if you wish to hear about my Wikia site.

Thanks,
Mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bloked

I'm really shoked now, because I'm bloked...I only wrote about Ersin Faikzade a Turkish Man, and just 'm bloked...strange that all. But ok...Who care's...I see here are Racist on the Work. Dilek2 (talk) 00:31, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The blocking admin very clearly warned you that repeated removing of speedy deletion tags could lead to a block.[1] You have no reason to be shocked and engaging in personal attacks against the blocking admin will not help your case. Edward321 (talk) 00:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not talk with you.. you edit always the truth...not me... OK? so please look at yourself... Dilek2 (talk) 01:12, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He is a notable Person, he is a wellknown Person...But if you are bloked me...I see you hate me. The Problem is in WIKIPEDIA any Person can changend an Atricle.

Dilek2 (talk) 15:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Haplogroup of Oğuzhan

Edward321, this sources is not from Facebook, this are the result of the Iginea DNA Study. So why you removed this wellknown Information?..Why you hate the descendant of Oghuz Kan?... Strange. I never removed any of your Article... But you do it by mine.

Why?

Because so many Turkish-people today claim to be a descendant of Oghuz Khan, male members of the Amucalar, descendants of Gündüz Gazi, the older brother of "Osman I, tested their Y-DNA. Genetic history of the Turkish people, shows that the common ancestor "Ertuğrul", belonged to haplogroup: R1a=6.9% - Typical of Central Asian, Caucasus, Eastern Europeans and Indo-Aryan people.

Dilek2 (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I said your haplogroup info was sourced from Facebook, because you said it was sourced from facebook.[2] I have repeatedly and clearly explained why - Wikipedia policies require the use of reliable sources.[3][4][5][6][7][8] Edward321 (talk) 16:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


You are my Stalker, just I see it...OH my GOD...

Dilek2 (talk) 22:43, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Edward321, please delete not the Oghuzhan Article

http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?uid=XWBWW&viewuid=FTEMF&p=1

Dilek2 (talk) 15:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First, I have never deleted any article, only admins can do that. Second, I have never edited the Oğuzhan article.[9] Third, your link is a commercial site, not a reliable source. Fourth, that link does not support any of your edits.Edward321 (talk) 00:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Any Person can delete an Article so what you told me now?

This Source have nothing to do with Facebook.

There are Tested it.

Dilek2 (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Only administrators can delete articles. While you have listed something besides Facebook now, it is not a reliable source and it does not support any of your edits. Please read and apply Wikipedia:Identifying reliable source as you have been asked to by over a dozen editors over the last two years. What part of that is hard to understand? Edward321 (talk) 01:43, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rubbish

Re the following from your article: "Coleg England Ceredigion'da Public Relations, Aberystwyth University, received training in Intercultural Communication. During her stay in England worked as a volunteer for various projects."

The first sentence is pure gobbledegook - copy the proper version from his facebook page: "His subjects were Public Relations at the Coleg Ceredigion and Intercultural Communication at the University of Aberystwyth". But do not repeat the ghastly mistake on the facebook page: Aberystwyth is not in England - it is in Wales. "During her stay" - why the sex change? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I do not understand you... I'am a friend of Ersin because we are Family related. He allowed me to copy it from his own Page... Sex changend? Look please what Edward always's do it...He removed all my sources. — Dilek2 (talk) 17:24, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But you copied it wrong - give me a link to the page where it appears in the garbled fashion you used. Sex change - you said "her stay" - should be "his stay". — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:39, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think you were trying to point me to this page where you will see the text: "His subjects were Public Relations at the Coleg Ceredigion and Intercultural Communication at the University of Aberystwyth. During his stay in England". Note "his" not "her" and exactly the text that I have already quoted, not your gobbledegook. (I do realise that you went to Turkish version of the page and traslated it badly.) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Saliha Sultana

The article Saliha Sultana has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non-notable person. I'm unable to find any references in reliable sources.

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You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Oo7565 (talk) 18:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


If you are unable to find sources its your own Problem not mine, but i delete it, dont worry

i see here in the english category too many racists in work

Dilek2 (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is the burden of the person wishing to add content to provide a reliable source for the content.
Also note that calling other editors racists is a personal attack that is not allowed. Please refrain from such behavior in the future.
If you do not wish to follow wikipedia's rules and guidelines, you will find your time here very unpleasant and very short. -- The Red Pen of Doom 17:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


You are nothing worth about me, so shud up.

Dilek2 (talk) 01:14, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Amuca tribe

This is my article, and Edward and all others made my article remmoved.

I have given the sources from Inginea Instititut about the DNA...

Well than...one Person or other must to be a big problem with the R1 Y-DNA of the Oghuz Tribe.

But I do not longer angree me, this is only Wikipedia, nothing else.

Selfmade Historian, and enjalous to each other.

Who care's, delete it too my Amuca Tribe ARTICLE

No problem

Dilek2 (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Saliha Sultan

Very strange that this Racists here in English Category tells: she was not a real Person. Her younger sister Adile sultan is posted here in english wikipedia

I hope you uncircumcised Men, like Edward will be happy that my Article is deleted.

I hate all uncircumcised Men, ugly foreskin's. Bääääääääää

In Turkish Category she is well written, and strange too, that I posted the Homepage of the Ottoman Dynasty and under Abdülmecid I . Children she is stay and all date's.

Well English speaker must to be blind or intolerant...

Dilek2 (talk) 01:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just a suggestion - when you have been blocked for a week for calling other editors racists, continuing to call them racists is unlikely to get your block reduced. Edward321 (talk) 01:47, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Race has nothing to do with it. As I said earlier, there are most likely thousands of descendants of Ottoman royalty that have not been written about in English or any other language for that matter. If I were you, I would take the article Saliha Sultana and create your own sandbox like user:Dilek2/Saliha Sultana. Then continue to search for published sources to support this article. Once your article is well sourced, then re-admit it to mainstream wikipedia. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:34, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Oh No, there are enough article's with fotos of her

so please delete all my article's thanks...


Here:

4) H.I.H. Princess Salaha Sultana. b. 16th June 1811 (d/o Ashub-i-Jahan). m. at the Nashatabad Palace, 24th May 1834, as his second wife, Admiral H.H. Damad Gurcu Muhammad Halil Rifat Pasha (b. 1795; d. 4th March 1856), Ambassador to Russia 1829-1830, Naval C-in-C 1830-1832, 1843-1845, 1847-1848 and 1854-1855, Supreme C-in-C 1836-1838 and 1839-1840, Governor-General of Anatolia 1852. She d. at the Nashatabad Palace, 5th February 1843, having had issue, two sons and one daughter.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020421154909/http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Turkey/turkey9.htm

Dilek2 (talk) 03:14, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Amuca tribeThe

The "Amuca tribe" in Turkish: "Amuca Kabilesi"

Amucalar, is one of the nomadic Oghuz Turks tribes, of the Ottoman Empire, which moved from Anatolia to the Balkans. At the end of 14th Century , this clan established a settled life in Ottoman Thrace. Today they live in Kırklareli Province. The first founded village of this tribe was Keşirlik, located in the Mahya Dağı.

Meaning of the word

"Amuca - Uncle", is the old adage word, that means the father's brother. "Kabilesi - tribe", have passed the word was used and the records of the Ottoman Empire as Amuca Tribe. Today, more often, "Amica Tribe" is said to be.

Origin

Amuca Tribe, belongs to the longitudinal Kayı tribe. This Clan "Amuca kabilesi" to be described, they are derived from relatives of the Ottoman Dynasty. Amucalar, descendants of Gündüz Gazi and Saru Batu Savcı Bey, the Older son's of Ertuğrul. If you are asked this tribes: "You are the descendants of whom?" This Folk is mentioned: We "Amucalar", descendants of Ertuğrul, trough his son's Gündüz Gazi and Saru Batu Savcı Bey, who was the oldest Brother's to Osman I. They speak a dialect of old Ottoman Turkish language.

Family tree

Religion and Culture

Mostly Amucalar are follower Bektashi Order from the Tarikat of Sheikh Bedreddin, but also few Members are Sunni muslim of Maturidi. Mostly male Members of the Amuca tribe are "high and loose" Circumcised with 13 year's. The yağlı güreş/Oil wrestling, is very a common Sport in this tribe.

Prominent People of the Amuca tribe

  • Emirzâde Şaban Bey Efendi (1908–1980), born in Harmanli in Bulgaria, was the son of Mahmut Bey and Habibe Hanım .

He was the nephew of Ziya Songülen and a Member of the Amuca tribe also a descendant of Sultanzade Mehmed Pasha and Saliha Sultana.

In the Turkish-Bulgarian War, settled his Mother in 1912 to Babaeski/Turkey. He had an older brother Emirzâde Hasan Bey. His father died when he was four years old, and together with his older brother grew up with their uncle. His mother was a maid of Sehzade Abdülhalim and went along with him and his family into exile in France in 1924. He was married with Nemzade Hatice Hanım, and a follower of Sunni Islam.


His wife Nemzade Hatice Hanım (1911–2000), born in Hasköy/Haskovo in Bulgaria, was the daughter of Mehmed Ali Paşa and Fehime Hanım Karakoç.

Mehmed Ali was a descendant of of the Karakoçlu/Black Mutton Clan.

Fehime was the Granddaughter of Abdi Pasha.

In the Turkish-Bulgarian War, settled her family in 1913 to Babaeski/Turkey. She was married with Emirzâde Şaban Bey, and was a follower of Sunni Islam.

Princely to the throne of the House of Amuca from the former Adrianople Vilayet trough Sultanzade Mehmed Pasha

  • Emirzâde Yüksel Sarmaşık, (b.1963, Turkey - d.1985, Turkey),
  • Emirzâde Yücel Salih Sarmaşık, (b.1970, Turkey)
  • Emirzâde Zafer Sarmaşık, (b.1977, Turkey)
  • Emirzâde Can Timur Sarmaşık, (b.1978, Germany)
  • Emirzâde Kerem Sarmaşık, (b.2006, Turkey)

NOTE

The princes of the house of Amuca are no claimants to the throne of the Ottoman dynasty, and they make no claims.

Haplogroup of Oğuzhan

Because so many Turkish-people today claim to be a descendant of Oghuz Khan, male members of the Amucalar, descendants of Gündüz Gazi, the older brother of "Osman I, tested their Y-DNA. Genetic history of the Turkish people, shows that the common ancestor "Ertuğrul", belonged to haplogroup: R1a=6.9% - Typical of Central Asian, Caucasus, Eastern Europeans and Indo-Aryan people.

See also

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amuca_Kabilesi

Sources of Oghuz Khan Haplogroup

http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?uid=XWBWW&viewuid=FTEMF&p=1


Wikimedia Commons has media related to Oghuz Turks.

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Fehime Sultan

Edward you really a stupid man, where are your sources that she had a girl who called Nemzade (1913-2000)

I often told you look like your self...there is nor sources in the Article Fehime Sultan that she had a daughter...

Here look this:

2) H.I.H. Princess Fahima Sultana. b. at the Dolma Bahche Palace, Constantinople, 2nd August 1875 (d/o Mail-i-Sharvat). Rcvd: the Nishan-i-Shafakat 1st class. m. (first) at the Yildiz Palace, 12th September 1901 (div. at Ortakoy, 4th November 1908) H.H. Damad 'Ali Ghalib Pasha (b. at Constantinople, 1871; d. at Tashvikaya, Istanbul, 26th June 1950), Vizier 1904, former husband of H.I.H. Princess Khadija Sultana - see above. m. (second) at the Ortakoy Palace, 5th June 1910 (morganatical) (div. 1927) Captain Mahmud Bey (b. at Constantinople, 1880; d. 19xx), late Imperial Ottoman Cavalry. She d. at Nice, France, 15th September 1929 (bur. Selimiye Camii, Damascus).

http://web.archive.org/web/20020421155331/http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Turkey/turkey12.htm


Oh what a uncircumcised stupid Man you are ...

Dilek2 (talk) 03:29, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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