User talk:Enviromet

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We're so glad you're here! Invertzoo (talk) 23:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to your message

Well, hi Al! It's great that you signed up! Welcome, welcome! And thanks for dropping a note on my talk page. I will be more than happy to try to answer any questions you have, so don't be shy to ask about any aspect of all of this stuff.

Usually the best way to start out on Wikipedia is to spend quite some time at first simply making small edits to improve a number of the already-existing articles that are on subjects you care about. That way you will slowly get the hang of things, and then you will feel more comfortable when you finally do get around to writing a new article from scratch. By the way, a good way to start a new article when you are a beginner is to use the Article Wizard, which you find here: [1].

Another thing I would recommend, is that when you do start in on a new article for the first time, put it together on a subpage of your user page. I will set a subpage up for you. That way you can fiddle with the article until it seems to be a good shape before you put it up into article space. You can also use a subpage to keep notes on things you have learned, or techniques you can use, that sort of thing.

As far as I know there aren't any DVDs about editing on Wikipedia, on the other hand there could easily be plenty of things in existence that I don't know about! I do know there is quite a good book called "Wikipedia, the Missing Manual" which is well written and has pretty much everything in it. By the way, the last link in the welcome message I sent you is in fact a link to that book online here on Wikipedia and it is searchable.

I assume you already went through the Tutorial on Editing, here: [2]?

As for trying to learn stuff from the help pages on Wikipedia, I feel that a lot of the help pages are actually quite hard to understand. Generally when I want to know how to do something, I look around and see where someone else has done it, and then look on the edit page to see what code they used, and I copy that.

Anyway, as I said, I will be happy to try to help explain things if I can, so feel free to ask me. Once again, Welcome!

Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 23:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A second note

Just to let you know: I created a couple of subpages for you which you can access from your user page. Feel free to delete what I put on them, I did that just to get the link to be a blue link. I also put a service badge on your user page for fun, you can delete it or move it, whatever you like. I also made a few blue links in the text you had put on your user page so you can see how that is done by looking on the edit page, in case you didn't already know... OK, back to real life, Invertzoo (talk) 23:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is above all else a collaboration

So don't hesitate to ask other users about things. Most people here are quite kind and helpful. The encyclopedia wouldn't work at all if it wasn't for the collaborative aspect of things. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries

If you can remember this, it's always good to put in an edit summary when you make an edit. That way someone looking at the history of the page can see immediately what kind of edit you made without having to investigate any further. If you hit the "History" button for this page, you will see I write a brief edit summary every time before I hit "Save page". Invertzoo (talk) 22:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Signing your messages

Thanks for your note! I just wanted to say, when you leave someone a message, if you type in four of these "~" at the end of your message, when you hit Save, the software will automatically convert that to your user name (blue links to your user page and your talk page) as well as the date and time in UTC, which is more or less Greenwich Mean Time.

Actually there is a bot (a piece of robotic software) that chases around to fill in signatures in when people forget to sign, but it doesn't always find every one. As you will see if you look on my talk page, that bot signed the two messages you left me on my talk page, but it is considered more polite to put the four ~ in yourself.

Best wishes and good luck with everything, Invertzoo (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

About Materialscientist

Hi again, nice to see you at the New York meeting. I did drop a line to User:Materialscientist and he said... (I have paraphrased it a bit):

IMO, the best option would be for him to put his first articles into personal userspace [that means subpages of his user page] and then ask for comments. I would be willing to look at them and brush them up (articles and their authors get bashed sometimes if the wiki "formatting" is not good). I shall ask for project help if I don't really know that particular subject. Materialscientist (talk) 23:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So, I would put at least one new article of yours into a subpage of your user page, and then ask Materialscientist to look at it. His user talk page is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Materialscientist

All good wishes and don't hesitate to contact me here, or by regular email or on the phone. I am happy to explain anything about Wikipedia to you. Invertzoo (talk) 17:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to your questions

Hi Al, It was nice to see you at the Meet-up too. OK about your questions... First off this is not as hard as it sounds, so please phone me if you want me to talk you through it instead, or as well as this.

One thing worth saying is that when you are working with two pages at the same time on Wikipedia it is often easier to open two windows in your browser, so you can see both pages at once. Or even three windows if you want to be able to refer to my instructions at the same time!

How to create a dozen subpages of your user page?

Let me make a few links to new subpages for you, and then you can make more yourself. OK I did some, now let me explain what I did. Go to your user page.

* First hit the small "enter" button which is on the right hand side of the page, opposite the heading on the section of your user page that says "Subpages", That takes you to the edit page for that section of your user page.

* Then go to the bottom of the list and type in an asterisk, then two square brackets and a forward slash and then the name of the new subpage, and then close the square brackets.

* Do the same thing again to make another subpage and repeat as many times as you like.

* Then fill in the edit summary at the bottom of the edit page, say "making more subpages" maybe.

* Then hit the show preview button and look and see if the things you typed in came out looking OK.

* If they don't come out OK, check back on the edit page to see if you forgot the forward slash or maybe you forgot to close the square brackets.

* If they look OK, hit the Save page button.

* Note that it is normal for the links to appear in RED at this point because there is nothing on them.

NOTE: A red link is a link to a page that has not been started yet, a blue link is a live link to a page that already has content on it.

Once the subpage links are showing OK on your user page, you can click on the first RED one, that's the first empty one, and then you can copy and paste your first article into that subpage. Then go down to the Edit summary, put in "inserting new article" then press "Show preview" to see if it looks more or less OK, and if it does, then press "Save page". Once you have done that the listing appears in BLUE, and when you click on it you will be taken to that page with the article on it. OK?

Let me put this on your page and then write you an answer to your second question. Invertzoo (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How to put your copper section into the Copper article?

First open your subpage that has the section in it.

* Go to the edit page of that page.

* Then HIGHLIGHT and COPY (the normal way) the TEXT of what you wrote.

* Then open another window in your browser and go to the Copper article. You can do that by putting the word Copper into the Wikipedia search slot. Or clicking on Copper if you can see a blue link to it, like the ones that are here.

* Scroll down in the Copper article until you find the section on antimicrobial effects, and insert your text there. However, the article seems to have changed a bit since the last time I looked at it. Now it has a section called Biomedical applications.

Because of this, I think you will have to tweak the surrounding prose to make your section fit in there. You do that by hitting the small EDIT button that is opposite that section of the Copper article, working with the prose anyway you want, checking how it looks by using the "See Preview" button, and then hitting Save Page.

Again, please do call me on the phone to help you in real time with this kind of thing. It takes me a tiny fraction of the time (to tell you how to do it on the phone with both of our computers on) as it does for me to try to write long detailed instructions like these. I can't find your card right now otherwise I would call you. If you wouldn't mind, please you can give me your phone number again via regular email, not through Wikipedia? Thanks! Invertzoo (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Don't worry if something goes wrong when you are trying to do these things, it can always be fixed. Nothing is ever lost here. The software keeps an ongoing record of every version of everything. Invertzoo (talk) 21:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

The way you do a References section for a stand-alone article is that you first put in a heading that says "References" like I did at the top of this thread, and then under that you put a piece of code, a template that says {{reflist}}. And that is what makes all the refs come out in a nice list automatically at the bottom of the article under the heading. I fixed it in your article that was missing that.

The other thing you will need when the articles go up is one or more categories, which you will put all the way at the bottom, like for example [[Category:Copper]]. There may be others, but I don't know right now what they would be. Invertzoo (talk) 20:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft articles

I have quickly looked through your first 2 draft articles. I am not sure the 3rd one is Ok for wikipedia. Apart from formatting and insufficient referencing (which can be easily fixed) its content might be too technical and might need focusing and trimming. You can see my minor style changes in the other 2 articles by clicking on the "history" and then comparing selected revisions.

General notes:

Please do try avoiding primary sources (journals) as much as possible in favor of books and reviews. Wikipedia (WP) is not meant for analyzing the content of primary sources.
The major differences in writing for a science journal and for wikipedia are (i) WP articles are meant for the widest possible audience and thus the prose should be as clear as possible. (ii) An article begins with the lead (or lede) which summarizes the content of the article. The lead is often written last and it does not need to contain references - its content is expanded further in the article. (iii) Wikipedia article must be focused. We've got only a few printed pages to express the topic - articles can't be overly long.

Notes on formatting

Please try wikilinking terms which might be unfamiliar to a general reader. Wikipedia works as a web; unlinked articles will not be noticed.
Wikipedia has adopted "aluminium" and "sulfur", per reasons unrelated to UK/US spelling. Some other name and formatting conventions might be different on wikipedia and elsewhere - the spirit here is that WP is big enough to keep its style.
It is encouraged to rewrite bulleted texts (like this one) into smoothly flowing prose, whenever possible.
<br /> is redundant if a line break or * symbol precedes the next sentence.
Whenever possible, please provide pmid or doi numbers for journal references. You can add it as <ref>Smith "Title" Journal, .. {{doi|xxx}} </ref> or simply as <ref>{{cite journal|doi=xxx}}</ref> - a certain program, called citation bot will complete the reference (I can show how). doi/pmid number provides a brief and reliable link to the article while the bot checks the consistency of the reference.
Not to multiply the same reference, you can name the reference and then use a name tag. For example use <ref name=smith>Smith "Title" Journal ... </ref> first and then <ref name=smith/> in other part of the article.

In summary, wikipedia coding is quite simple, but needs time to learn and you can just ignore that - someone will help - general issues of writing style, notability of the topics, etc, are more important. Best regards. Materialscientist (talk) 07:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A note on this and that

Hi Al, Just now I did a bit of fixing up on both of the new articles, putting quotes into boxes and suchlike. I also put a bunch more links on your user page. Please feel completely free to change any of that stuff I do, after all, it is your user page not mine! :) I asked two people if they would look at your new articles and give you some comments. One of the people I asked is User:Epipelagic and the other is User:Stone, who has been on Wikipedia since 2003 (!) and who has done quite a few edits on the Copper article. Talk to you later, Invertzoo (talk) 14:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Late this afternoon I did a bunch more work on the newer one, adding to the very beginning of the lede, putting another quote into a box, making more wikilinks (you can make a lot more yourself I think). I took the 2 tags off because I think the lede is probably OK now. I hope so anyway. Invertzoo (talk) 23:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the title of an article

Hi Enviromet,

Here is how to change a title of an article. Go to the page you want to change the name of, (not the edit page, just the article page.) At the top of the page there are buttons that say: article, discussion, edit this page, history, move, etc.

"Move" mean to change the title of the article. Click on the move button. It opens a page that shows you a window which shows the old title, gives you a chance to amend that to a new title, and gives you a line to write out why you wanted to change it. So then, change the title and say why, and then hit save, i.e. the "Move page" button. There is no preview button with this.

Then you will get a window confirming that you have moved the title, and giving a blue link to the new title.

I think you will find it easy to do. best, Invertzoo (talk) 12:27, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Links

Hi again, I put a bunch more blue links into the first list in the copper alloy touch surfaces article. But you can probably add quite a few more. (You probably already know to blue link only the first mention of a word or phrase, not subsequent mentions of the same thing.) I also did a few other minor changes. As you know, Wednesday very early in the am, I disappear for 3 weeks and won't be on Wikipedia hardly at all until I come back. I am pretty busy tomorrow and will be in and out a lot, but if you need to ask me a few things, I can spare time for a short chat. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 00:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and P.S., try to remember to sign any messages you leave by typing four of these tildes i.e. these things " ~ " which is automatically transformed into your user page link, your talk page link, and the time and date. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 00:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posting new article on user page

An answer to your post on my talk page:

"Hi Susan. I just posted a new article on my user page. Problem is it doesn't show up when I hit the intended link (User Page 3 on Aquaculture). Rather, it's at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Enviromet/Subpage_3_Aquaculture_draft. Any idea what's going on here? Hope you can help. Enviromet (talk) 00:56, 11 June 2010 (UTC)"[reply]

Hi Al, what I did just now was simply change the name of that subpage in the listing on your user page, by editing it to match the name that you have on the subpage. Now it links up OK as a blue link. I suppose at some point you must have put that name in the list on your user page, forgot the actual wording of it, and then used a different name when you put the article on the subpage.

If you don't like looking at that name, you can use the "Move" button to change it, and then after you have done that, edit your user page to the correct new title. Does that make sense?

best, Invertzoo (talk) 13:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted your Subpage 3 Aquaculture draft as it has been moved to the article Copper alloys in aquaculture. This subpage should have been deleted during the move. BTW, I'm pleased that you're contributing to wikipedia, given your credentials. JoJan (talk) 07:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If and when you need an admin...

Next time we/you need an admin for your copper work, we/you can simply ask User:Materialscientist, because he is an admin. I had forgotten that. Invertzoo (talk) 00:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, now I go and look at his page again, I see I was wrong! I am totally confused... I suppose I must have been looking at someone else's page and thought I was looking at his. I guess I sprained my brain! Invertzoo (talk) 01:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! This morning I looked at Materialscientist's page once more, and I see he is indeed an Admin as I first thought! That info is not listed at the top of his page, but at the bottom as a category. So yes you can ask him whenever you need help from an admin on something you can't do yourself. Invertzoo (talk) 13:04, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading images

Hi Al, I understand that you now already have a Wikimedia Commons account? Good! We will put our heads together and understand the process of how to upload and license the photo images that you wish to donate. I am assuming you own the copyright to the images? If one or more of them have perhaps been published in a journal, you may no longer own the copyright. By the way, the kind note from JoJan is in the message that is two before this one. I temporarily bolded the nice part. All best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 17:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posting photos

Have you tried using the Add Media Wizard? It's something new that should make things rather easier than navigating the labyrinth of Wikimedia Commons.--Pharos (talk) 14:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if Media Wizard works for Macs? I am on a Mac and maybe you are too Al? Invertzoo (talk) 13:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

License tagging for File:CopperAlloysInAquacultureUR30andPVCPuertoMonttChile.jpg.jpg

Thanks for uploading File:CopperAlloysInAquacultureUR30andPVCPuertoMonttChile.jpg.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is my first attempt to post photos and it has been frustrating, sorry. A whole day has gone by with problems posting. I would like to remove this image and post it on Wikimedia instead so it can be viewed globally. Please let me know how to do this. The same goes for the remaining three photos I posted today to Wikipedia. Thank you! Enviromet (talk) 19:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

License tagging for File:CopperAlloysInAquacultureUR30NorthAtlantic.jpg.JPG

Thanks for uploading File:CopperAlloysInAquacultureUR30NorthAtlantic.jpg.JPG. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

License tagging for File:CopperAlloysInAquacultureUR30UnderwaterPuertoMonttChile.jpg.jpg

Thanks for uploading File:CopperAlloysInAquacultureUR30UnderwaterPuertoMonttChile.jpg.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 19:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your images

Hi there, answering your question on the media copyright questions. I can see that you have tried to grant a license in the text you placed on the image. However the bot cannot read and need to see these templates: {{GFDL}} {{CC-BY-SA_3.0}} so you can copy that text to the image description page. There needs to be move information to say where the image came from. Did you take the images yourself? If so please say so. THere is a special information template to give the data. for File:CopperAlloysInAquacultureUR30NorthAtlantic.jpg.JPG you do have a valid license tag. And you can see how to get to commons with the {{mtc}} tag. You can upload to commons yourself at commons:upload. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To add to the above, I've added a blank information templates to the three images and you will see that the description, date of photo, author and source are missing, so you should fill those in. I suggest you do this first and also add the {{mtc}} template to each image rather than also upload them again to the commons, as that template will alert someone to do it for you. ww2censor (talk) 22:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I moved your "invisible image" toFile:CopperAlloysInAquacultureUR30andPVCPuertoMonttChile.jpg as you had two .jpg on the end. It is now visible. You may have to make the article a bit less promotional because this is an encyclopedia, not a trade magazine. I have reduced use of the product name and the TM symbol, which should not be used here. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An award for you

		Original Barnstar
		You certainly deserve this award, for the very high quality new article Copper in health that you created and the other fine copper-related articles that you have already contributed! You are a great asset to the encyclopedia. Invertzoo (talk) 13:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Thanks so much for the Random acts of Kindness star; it was my pleasure to help bring you up to speed on Wikipedia. Invertzoo (talk) 18:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:NSR

I removed self references in copper. They were the ones which you put in to "advertise" (inadvertently or not) "your" article.199.126.224.245 (talk) 23:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Al, the way you had done the "hatnotes" in some sections of the Copper article was non-standard, but other than that, it seems to me that there is no problem with linking to the Copper in health article. It makes no difference who wrote it, or who wrote the first version of it, or whatever. If it contains information that is an expansion of the theme of one of the sections, then good, link to it. Use the "Main article" hatnote. Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 00:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A pie for you!

Invertzoo has given you a fresh pie! Pies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a fresh pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appétit!^†

Page count tool

Hi Enviromet, here is the link to get the count of how many people viewed an article each day. I set it to this month "2011 07" and one of your articles, copper in health: http://stats.grok.se/en/201107/copper%20in%20health

As you can see, you can put any article title and any month you like into the search slots at he bottom of that window.

Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 21:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And by the way, if you feel that any of your articles are not really getting as many hits as they should, you can try to increase the number of hits by making sure the article is linked to on as many other pages as is reasonably possible. You can also see which places an article is already linked to by looking in the left margin under Toolbox and clicking on "What links here". The more other articles link to your copper articles, the more likely people are to find them and read them.

Any more questions, just ask me, Invertzoo (talk) 21:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copper in architecture

I just took a look at the article! Very good! Oh, dear! Your comments about the envied patina of old copper make me churn....

Speyer Cathedral, (sigh!) I love roofs! I have climbed on the roofs of a good many churches, but I'm too old and creaky now!

I'm located in Sydney. A few years back I watched in dismay as the a team of "restorers" stripped the patina off the copper and bronze of Sydney's public buildings and treated them somehow to try to maintain that nice shiny pink, or dark brown!! Well, the ignorance was not a new thing! About forty years ago they built a new Catholic church in Penrith (Outer Western Sydney). A nice circular church terminating in a central spire which was copper, and which acquired a beautiful patina very quickly- apple green like that magnificent roof on Chartres Cathedral. So a few years down the track, some idiot priest looked at the green spire and said "Bejaysus! Someone has got up on the roof and painted it green!" So they got a long ladder, and painted it a nice respectable white instead!.

Amandajm (talk) 16:55, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Nice new article!

I was very impressed with the Copper in architecture article! Well done! Invertzoo (talk) 01:45, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Copper in energy-efficient motors for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Copper in energy-efficient motors is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Copper in energy-efficient motors until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Tigraan (talk) 11:22, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]