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Ever thought about archiving your talk page? --Fang Aili talk 15:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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Hello
How's it going, Hardouin? --Fang Aili talk 16:32, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- I see my hello came at a contentious time. Well, I just wanted to send a pleasant vibe your way. Cheers. --Fang Aili talk 16:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hey, I haven't forgotten you, don't worry. Also, don't worry about ThePromenader. Situation under control, so far. I was going to leave a message on that talk page you mentioned, but I was so busy lately, plus I started an article which turned out to be much longer and much more demanding than what I had anticipated. But I think the result looks good. I FINALLY put something on my user page. You like it? It sums up the spirit of editing on Wikipedia really. Anyway, I need to find the right words to leave a message on that talk page. One question I have for you: how is the female partner referred to in the English speaking press? Is she called "the lady"? or is she called "the woman"? I don't think I have ever watched a skating event in the US or in England, so I'm not sure. For example, would they say: "they looked set to win the gold medal, but the woman tripped in the last seconds"? or would they say: "they looked set to win the gold medal, but the lady tripped in the last seconds"? Hardouin 16:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- She'd be referred to as a female ice skater or by her a name. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Heh, well feel free to chime in here. --Fang Aili talk 17:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- She'd be referred to as a female ice skater or by her a name. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hey, I haven't forgotten you, don't worry. Also, don't worry about ThePromenader. Situation under control, so far. I was going to leave a message on that talk page you mentioned, but I was so busy lately, plus I started an article which turned out to be much longer and much more demanding than what I had anticipated. But I think the result looks good. I FINALLY put something on my user page. You like it? It sums up the spirit of editing on Wikipedia really. Anyway, I need to find the right words to leave a message on that talk page. One question I have for you: how is the female partner referred to in the English speaking press? Is she called "the lady"? or is she called "the woman"? I don't think I have ever watched a skating event in the US or in England, so I'm not sure. For example, would they say: "they looked set to win the gold medal, but the woman tripped in the last seconds"? or would they say: "they looked set to win the gold medal, but the lady tripped in the last seconds"? Hardouin 16:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- From googling and my own experience watching figure skating on tv, I can say that "women" is much more commonly used. The ISU's own competition coverage often uses "women" rather than "ladies". Dr.frog's main point of contention is that only "ladies" is used in ISU rulebooks, however nowhere does it say that you can't use "women", and since its own website uses "women", I do not see how this whole thing really matters. The word "ladies" is just a hold-over from the turn of the 20th century. --Fang Aili talk 17:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Women is used for the name of the sport women's ice/figure skating, female for an individual. To describe a group of skaters, female ice skaters will generally be used. See Google Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- No offense, but I don't think you know what's being discussed here. There are many arguments to be considered, and they don't all involve google. This was a discussion between Hardouin and myself. If you really wish to express an opinion about this please do so at the link I provided above, and please read the discussion at Talk:Pair skating as well. --Fang Aili talk 17:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Women is used for the name of the sport women's ice/figure skating, female for an individual. To describe a group of skaters, female ice skaters will generally be used. See Google Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid my Chinese is got great; I understood maybe half the characters, but I think I got the jist of it. :)
One of the biggest arguments against the exclusive use of "ladies" is, in my mind, the existence of several agreements to use "women". (See the first decision, the second debate (note the table in that section), and the archived original debate.)
Re: your request for links:
- A press release on ISU letterhead, which contains the sentence, "one of five women in history who has landed..."
- Another ISU press release, "the first woman in history..."
- Another, "the first woman in the history to land a quad..."
Cheers, Fang Aili talk 18:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- To be clear, I have no objection to the event being called "Ladies'", because that is its official name. I just don't want to have to call a women or girl a "lady" whenever I'm writing about them. Le sigh. Thank you for looking into this. What I eventually would like to do is improve pair skating to a good- or FA-level status, and thereby attract more attention from other editors. Then I doubt not that the issue will be raised again. --Fang Aili talk 18:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to propose: using "lady" for the official name of events, but using "woman" whenever talking about the female partner inside the articles. I feel too drained to write anything tonight. Will try tomorrow. Hardouin 18:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Thanks muchly and pleasant dreams. --Fang Aili talk 18:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to propose: using "lady" for the official name of events, but using "woman" whenever talking about the female partner inside the articles. I feel too drained to write anything tonight. Will try tomorrow. Hardouin 18:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Tallest structures - "Paris area"
A few of us have managed to come into agreement over an "in the Paris area" title - as a former participant in the discussion, your views and vote on the matter would much be welcome at Talk:List of tallest buildings and structures in Paris. Thank you. THEPROMENADER 17:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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Hey Hardouin, The France infobox is up again for TfD. I don't know if you knew that but I know (from past interactions) that you are one of the main editors of the France article and its infobox. While I favor one standard infobox, I remembered that the France infobox had some unique qualities to it. It seems like the standard infobox has been updated to accommodate these qualities, but I am not sure if that meets your requirements. In any case, I voted to delete (but cautiously). Which is why I am sending you this message so you have a say. Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 September 6. Qu'en pensez-vous? MJCdetroit 02:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, I have tried to update the standard infobox to allow for the French infobox uniqueness. Hope I have settled the points raised. --Bob 00:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
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Hello, I noticed you removed the "wrong etymology" (see [1]) the Myanmar article. As a native Burmese speaker, I know that "myan" means "swift" or "fast", and "ma" means "sturdy" or "strong". But I may be incorrect (in that specific usage), so can you verify that the etymology is unclear with a citation? Thanks. Also, I reverted your addition of "Rakhine" to the Explanation of the names of Burma/Myanmar article because "Rakhine" does rhyme with "alpine" in standard Burmese, and the initial "r" was added to note that the Arakanese dialect pronounces it with a "r". The commission used romanisations that were already prevalent during the colonial period. The British attempted to anglicise words like "waing" (meaning "round") to "wine", and these spellings remain common today. --Hintha 21:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
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Mediation
Quelle rigolade...merci de m'avoir prevenu :) --Stevage 20:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Your latest revert spree
Hi. You've just added another page to your RfA case. Reverting a) against consensus b) for invented reasons is unprecedented. You have no leg to stand on, so please stop. Thanks. THEPROMENADER 11:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- There is mediation going on at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-09-10 List of Tallest buildings and structures in Paris. You and User:Grcampbell are bypassing the mediation by editing the very language that is being discussed on the mediation page. It's as simple as that. I'm quite sure that at some point some admins will intervene. Hardouin 11:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- You know full well that you cannot ever hope to tie the two together, and your trying to do so is just a desperate attempt to buy time. I could only welcome admin intervention, which explains my added complaint on the admin bulletin board. THEPROMENADER 11:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Paris disputes...
Although I agree that making those changes while the underlying issue was being discussed in mediateion could violate WP:POINT. However, I am glad to see that a compromise is developing that clearly identifies that it is part of "greater paris" but not in paris "proper." Though I wish the citizens of the appropriate sections of the Île-de-France would just establish a Regional Municipality and put us all out of our misery.
I know this is very frustrating - especially when it is about articles you care about and have made substantial contributions to; however, I would suggest you leave them alone for a month or so - if only for your own health - and trust in time and the community concept to get it right Sorry I couldn't respond right away last week. --Trödel 23:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Unfortunately both seem to be insutling each other. If they want to make it more difficult for the average English speaker to understand Paris - I guess that's how it'll be, and some of the audience will just find a better resource. --Trödel 15:02, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Désolé Hardouin, j'avais cru que ma tentative pour t'envoyer un mail avait échoué. Je viens de te répondre. Metropolitan 10:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC).
Localization maps in the Paris region
Hello, Hardouin. During last week end, I've spent a lot of time to create maps of localization of Paris suburbs. I thought it could be a nice feature to add it in the municipality template for each commune involved. Probably the best would be to remove the image which illustrates sometimes those commune to put that map instead. I just wanted to know your opinion about this. On the left you can see a preview for Créteil.
The map represents waters, greeneries, communes and departments boundaries. It is an svg file, which means that it is easy to edit it. For now, I've only made Créteil, however, it's very easy to do the same for other municipalities as you just need to fill any commune layer with transparent red. As layers for each department also exist, I guess we could use it for their articles too. What do you think ? Metropolitan 19:13, 4 October 2003 (UTC).
- Okay, as obviously you're not here I will make a test with municipalities of Val-de-Marne. Here's a first shot with Créteil. Metropolitan 23:05, 4 October 2003 (UTC).
- After thinking about it again, we talk here about adding more than 120 maps. I'm not used to operations of such a scale and I would definitely like better to have your opinion about it before doing anything. Hope to see you later. Metropolitan 23:05, 4 October 2003 (UTC).
Ok Hardouin, je viens de lire ta réponse. J'avoue que je m'attendais à quelque chose de plus chaleureux, mais bon. Si j'ai fais apparaître les zones boisées, c'était surtout pour mettre en évidence les zones urbanisées. Je ne trouve pas ça si idiot que ça. Au moins, ça permet de réaliser que la plupart des excroissances de Paris intramuros sont dues à l'intégration de zones vertes. En ce qui concerne l'idée d'aller au-delà des départements de petite couronne, j'y avais pensé, mais cela m'amenait à des difficultés techniques puisque l'on rentre dans un espace où l'urbanisation est moins homogène.
Par ailleurs, la petite couronne, c'est déjà pas si mal. Ca fait plus de 120 plans et c'est du boulot à uploader. De toute manière, il est écrit que la carte représente "Paris and inner ring departments", en ce sens, on s'imagine bien qu'il y a quelque chose au-delà sans quoi on ne préciserait pas "inner".
Cette carte m'a demandé pas mal d'heures de travail, j'aurai espéré plus de considérations, mais je respecte aussi ton point de vue. Les cercles n'apparaissent que pour les communes inférieures à 3 km². Je pensais que ça améliorait leur visibilité. Enfin, je ne me fais pas trop de souci par rapport à ceux qui voudraient les remplacer par des cartes de départements. Les cartes que j'utilise situent bien mieux les communes en question que de simples cartes départementales. En ce sens, les remplacer représenterait nécessairement une baisse de qualité. Je vais néanmoins étudier la question en ce qui concerne l'idée de nommer la ville de Paris. Bon bref, tu me fais quand même douter sur ces cartes. je vais sans doute chercher à connaître aussi l'avis d'autres wikipediens avant d'uploader le reste. Metropolitan 22:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC).
Je vois que tu as ajouté la carte aux communes de Seine-Saint-Denis a- sans tenir compte d'aucunes des remarques que j'avais faites, et b- sans même attendre que des gens répondent à ton message dans le template French commune. Pourquoi donc avoir contacté d'autres personnes si de toutes façons tu ne veux en faire qu'à ta tête? Je comprends pas la cohérence de ta démarche. Je répète une fois de plus que les infoboxes de Argenteuil, Sarcelles, Saint-Gratien, Massy, Vélizy-Villacoublay, Grigny, et près de 150 autres communes de banlieue dont j'ai créé les infoboxes, ne peuvent pour l'instant pas profitter de cette carte puisqu'elle ne couvre que la petite couronne, alors qu'il n'est pas si compliqué que ça de faire une carte couvrant toutes les communes jusqu'à la Francilienne. Donne-moi ton document source et je ferai cette carte moi-même si c'est le travail qui te rebutte. Hardouin 15:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hardouin, les cartes précisent dans chaque cas qu'il s'agit de "Paris and inner ring départements", quiconque ne connaissant rien à l'agglomération parisienne en déduira tout de même qu'il existe un outer ring sans quoi la précision inner ring n'aurait aucun sens. Ces cartes de Paris et la petite couronne permettent déjà de traîter les deux tiers de la population de l'agglomération, c'est tout de même pas rien.
- La raison pour laquelle ne figure pas sur ces cartes les communes de grandes couronnes sont très simples et je te les ai déjà expliqué. Mon document de travail ne dispose pas des délimitations du bâti, mais il dispose des délimations des zones vertes. En petite couronne, cela n'est pas un problème puisque l'agriculture représente moins de 1% de la surface. Néanmoins, ça n'est pas le cas en grande couronne où l'urbanisme est beaucoup moins homogène.
- Si j'ai tant tenu que ça à maintenir les zones vertes sur la carte, c'est pour la simple raison qu'elles permettent de réaliser que les départements de la petite couronne sont totalement urbanisés, puisque ce qui y apparaît en orangé semble être logiquement le bâti. Alors certes, je te l'accorde, ça n'est pas ultimement précis puisque Dugny, Noiseau ou le Nord de Tremblay ne sont pas totalement urbanisés, mais bon, c'est déjà mieux que rien.
- D'accord, OK, toute la banlieue ne figure pas sur ces cartes et elles ne permettent pas la localisation des communes de grande couronne, mais c'est quand même déjà pas mal, non ? Metropolitan 16:41, 10 October 2006 (UTC).
- Petite précision, je vais maintenant m'occuper des communes des Hauts-de-Seine. Metropolitan 16:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC).
- Hardouin, j'avoue avoir beaucoup de mal à te comprendre et je te trouve à la limite de la paranoia pour être parfaitement honnête. Non, tu as parfaitement tort lorsque tu dis que cette carte donne l'impression d'un éloignement. Au contraire, elle présente le tout comme un ensemble cohérent. Ajouter une échelle pour de telle carte de localisation n'est pas une obligation, ni les cartes de localisation de Bruxelles-Capitale, ni celles de Greater London ne disposent d'échelle. Et je ne vois pas ce que de telles échelles changeraient sincèrement. En ce qui concerne la finesse du découpage français, les choses sont comme elle sont et il faut faire avec. Par ailleurs, je ne pense sincèrement pas que le lecteur moyen s'imaginerait qu'il s'agisse nécessairement d'une région immense sous prétexte que beaucoup de municipalités y figureraient.
- L'objectif de ces cartes est d'accroître la visibilité des banlieues parisiennes. Je ne trouve pas ça plus mal. D'ailleurs, j'ai aussi dans l'idée d'utiliser le même modèle pour les arrondissements parisiens. Je compte aussi l'utiliser pour localiser La Défense, et les bois de Boulogne et de Vincennes. Par ailleurs, ces modèles peuvent aussi illustrer d'autres cartes, comme celles de la densité de population ou de la densité d'emploi.
- Si tu crains réellement que certaines banlieues apparaissent comme plus distantes qu'elles ne le sont réellement, tu devrais faire comme moi et rajouter des photos montrant à quoi elles ressemblent physiquement. A ce sujet, les peintures du XIXem siècle présentant les communes des Hauts-de-Seine comme des villages paisibles sont beaucoup plus dangereuses que ne le sont mes cartes de localisation, qui, je le répète, rapprochent ces banlieues de Paris bien plus qu'elles ne les en éloignent.Metropolitan 16:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC).
- I did this one not so long ago. All the commune limits are there, and it's there for the taking. Cheers.
THEPROMENADER 18:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- I did this one not so long ago. All the commune limits are there, and it's there for the taking. Cheers.
Thanks for this map ThePromenader, but once again this does not show what are the urbanized areas. By the way ThePromenader, you haven't told me what you thought about those locator maps for municipalities of inner ring départements.
Hardouin, to answer to your question:
- My source can't be found on the internet, and because of its size I cannot upload it (It's a big .gif file).
- I've explained exactly my point of view on each of your advices.
More importantly, I do have severe troubles to understand how you can see those locator maps as leading to a distanciation of Paris suburbs from the city proper.Metropolitan 18:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC).
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Greetings Hardouin, I was just reading through your page Dévots and I'm having trouble understanding one sentence, which I noted on the talk page. I'm no expert on the subject, and possibly this is the cause of my confusion....but possibly you could take a look and see if a revision is needed? Cryptonymius 07:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Gascony
Bonjour, je contribue sur la wiki fr, et je viens de voir qu'il y a sur la version anglaise une carte de la Gascogne que tu as téléchargée. Les limites de cette carte sont douteuses...en effet la Gascogne remonte jusqu'à la pointe du Médoc et englobe tout l'Ouest de la Gironde. Crois tu que tu puisses retoucher cette carte? Cordialement Matthieu 87.88.248.33 22:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ok laisse tomber, j'ai corrigé! Larrousiney 21:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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Image:Philippe3-1.jpg
Hi,
I tagged this image for deletion, as it is not a phto of a 2D work of art - it's 3D.
kind regards,
213.84.115.169 10:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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Fair use rationale for Image:DaLo.jpg
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Hi. When you uploaded Image:EiffelLaDefense2.jpg, you did not specify complete source and copyright information. Another user subsequently tagged it with {{GFDL-presumed}} and, for some time, it has existed on Wikipedia under the assumption that you created the image and you agreed to license it under the GFDL. This assumption, however well-meaning, is not legally sufficient and the tag is being phased out. Images using it are being deleted.
This image has been tagged for deletion and will be deleted in one week if adequate copyright information is not provided.
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Please feel free to contact me on my talk page or leave a message at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions with any questions you may have. Thank you. Aksibot 21:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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Orphaned non-free image (Image:Bordeaux10.png)
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How about...
...writing fact, instead of re-writing quite valid geographical info to your "own" benefit? I could care a fig of where you come from, or what you think about the same, but I do stress that fact is fact. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 21:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
You had previously commented on the idea of merging Duchy of Lorraine there. Please check out a draft I made of what that would look like. Tocharianne 16:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Alleged Sockpuppet use
I have no view about whether this claim is reliable or a tactical move as part of the on-going disagreement between you and ThePromenader. However, I wanted you to know that regardless of the merits of your view - some of which I agreed with last year - using sockpuppets will be much more hurtful than helpful.
As you know the issue underlying your dispute is esoteric; thus, there will not be many that care about it, and even fewer that will spend the time to understand it. Thus, if sockpuppets are involved, then the easy solution for the admins (including me) would be to take on the issue that is easier to understand and resolve - i.e. the sockpuppet issue. Thus, that issue will be resolved first, and the content issue you care about will be ignored. Furthermore, if the sockpuppet allegations turn out to be true, then you will likely be banned and any new users that try to make a change that resembles the change you would like will be labeled as sockpuppets, even if it is not true. And ThePromenader's language with which you disagree will remain in the article.
Thus, I encourage you to use long suffering and persuasion on the talk page - respond to lengthy explanations with pithy understandable responses. If you get too heated about the issue then edit something else - don't take a wikibreak entirely just from the Paris related articles - and edit other things that stir your interest. If the allegations are false then your continued edits and improvements to the encyclopedia elsewhere will insulate you from the accusations. Good luck --Trödel 14:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Stop with the silliness, please.
My demand here was a valid one - you are being purposely manipulative of those less knowledgeable than we - needed for a complaint I have filed, so you can find the comment you removed on my own talk page. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 23:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, so you do acknowledge that admins are investigating this then. Thanks for admitting it. In the meantime, changing the articles to conform to your terminology can only be interpreted as a provocation, and I am not the only one thinking this, judging from the supportive emails I've received. Be aware that you're being watched by other users, so behave a bit please. It can't be much longer before the admins take a side on this. Hardouin 23:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- No, there were never any admins looking into the validity "metropolitan area", but there may be an admin looking into your behaviour. The changes you repeatedly reverted - down to even the spelling and grammar corrections - were 100% good faith and 100% verifiably factual - but god knows what you tell people in your behind-the-scenes e-mail campaigns. It seems as though you have a personal stake in all this - wiki is a repetition of fact; it isn't a reflection of you or your ideas. Lighten up. THEPROMENADER 23:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Request for unblock
The article automatically unblocks on 28 July. I have no intention of unprotecting at this point or of entering into a content dispute. I would however, suggest seeking a third opinion. When that happens I will be happy to unblock. JodyB yak, yak, yak 00:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps, Hardouin, you can start dealing in an over-the-table way - how about open discussion; you've got nothing to hide, right? By all means, please take the third opinion route, I can only second this. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 07:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Cham
Champa Empire extended from proto-Khmer Funan to Annam (Central Vietnam). They are what we may call "original" Hinduized Cham around now the Vietnamese towns of Phan Thiet, Phan Ri, Phan Rang.The "Cham Museum" at Danang and the "My Son" site are about them.
The "southern" Cham of the Mekong delta are ialamized and Malayan like. I've spent last november with this Cham community in Tan Chau, facing Chau Doc, in the border area with Cambodia.
Takima 17:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Image source problem with Image:Nice2.jpg
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I'm wondering if you created the image "UCM.png". It's very well done but it may have been labelled incorrectly. English is my first language and I lived in Montreal for the first 44 years of my life but moved to southern Ontario 4 years ago. While in Montreal, I never heard what is indicated on your image as Northern Ring & Southern Ring as such. In English, I always heard them referred to as the North Shore and the South Shore, respectively. Also, the city of Longueuil was considered part of the South Shore and not referred to as a separate entity (unless one was talking about the different cities comprising the South Shore, e.g. Greenfield Park, Brossard, St. Lambert, La Prairie, Châteauguay, etc.). When we spoke about the South Shore in casual conversation, it was usually in reference to those communities quite close to the shores of the Saint Lawrence River (extending to about a 10 or 15 minute drive south or southeast of the shore). What you label as the Southern Ring looks like what is officially called Montérégie, which extends further west, south, and east than what English-speaking Montrealers called the South Shore while the Montérégie area still includes those South Shore communities listed above. Thanks for the effort and for taking an interest in my sorely-missed hometown!! CWPappas 05:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hardouin, Thanks for your response to my message. No need to apologise for the time it took you to reply...I have a long memory and have been known to take my time getting back to people, too! You're right, I have seen government references to the "rings of Montreal". It's a shame that they didn't use terms that were established. If you ever need info on Montreal from the perspective of someone who lived there, don't hesitate to ask me. CWPappas 05:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Could you...
...clarify the licence of Image:Goree1.jpg, particularly whether or not it's PD-self, or what? Thanx. 68.39.174.238 00:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Mediation Cabal
Hello,
I've decided to take your case at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-09-02 Economy of Paris. If you have no objection the discussion can begin right away--Pheonix15 18:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Other occupations?
Your only "raison d'etre" on Wikipedia seems to be reverting to "your" propaganda - no matter whatever agreement we've come to. I suggest, if you'd rather not present what other references do, that you find another occuptation (than following me). Wiki is not your diary. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 20:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
- You even reverted another contributor's edits and my corrections to the same. Give me a fucking break. THEPROMENADER 20:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
- Now you're just being pigheaded - stop. Read the concerned talk page. THEPROMENADER 09:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Are you all done with your crying to those you hope will back you without looking to fact? You are reverting in ignorance of reason, agreement, fact and consensus - the usual, what. I've edited the article to reflect our agreement, so this issue should be over now. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 12:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Stade de France
bonjour. Où as tu trouvé cette histoire concernant le nom du Stade de France comme quoi cela ferait référence au "pays de France" et pas à la nation française? Les déclarations du jury qui donna le nom à ce stade ne vont pas du tout dans ce sens : "Le stade que la France entière attendait depuis si longtemps s'appellera tout simplement Stade de France." Le plus stupéfiant, c'est que tes affirmations sont en ligne depuis 2 ans... Clio64B 15:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
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hi, is this your photo? I heve chenge is, but the license is not korrect? --87.185.243.104 11:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- I'll try to help with this request. The above question is from User:Marcela, he uploaded your picture to Commons (commons:Image:SecretaireVersailles.jpg), editing it in the process. The problem is that you do not explicitly state on the image description page that you took this picture, making it impossible to select a correct license for it on Commons. If you did take the picture, please mention this in the image description page and also choose an appropriate license ({{PD-self}} normally). Thank you. Regards --Rosenzweig 11:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the edit but...
...you really have to change your attitude. That phrase was sitting there for months with a "citation needed" tag on it, yet you only correct it now, just hours after I removed it - and this as your first and only edit since one month. This is pure and provocative stalking, and shows that your motivation is other than a concern for the quality of the article itself.
If you really want to help, get to finding citations for all the article's other challengable claims - most of these are yours, anyway - as this is one of few things keeping the article from gaining FA status. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 14:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- You remove information by claiming that there is "no real source available" without doing even the slighest research, then you're surprised I have to come after you to correct this. As for not editing, the only reason why I don't edit Wikipedia anymore these days is because of your harrassment and constant bickering. I have contacted several editors to let them know, and despite your widespread reputation as a pain-in-the-ass endless arguer, I hope that eventually someone will step in and help clean the mess in the Paris articles. I know Stevage would like to help editing the Paris articles, but your attitude has completely turned him off of these articles. Nothing to be proud of, Promenader. Hardouin 14:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- Your stalking is obvious, and assuming that I did no research at all is but dishonest defamatory speculative nonsense. Your correction was correct, but change your attitude. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 14:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- In terms of stalking, you're certainly a master, so don't take the moral ground here. As for attitude, I know several users who think you should change yours. Cheers. Hardouin 15:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- Me, a stalker. Right. Listen - can it with the false allegations, because everything in all your manipulative whining to others has never been anything but suggestion or outright mistruth. Your behaviour and motivations for the same, on the other hand, with just this morning as a perfect example, is perfectly visible for all to see. Sorry for questioning the questionable, but much of what you try to forward here, and your means of "pushing" it, is exactly that. Instead of undertaking the obvious provocation of adding even more questionable content (suburban centres not labelled as such) to an already overly-long article, find citations for what you've already done. That is, if you have the article quality in mind, but you've already proven that you don't. Do me a favour: prove me wrong. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 15:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- It's great because you prove exactly my point: endless arguer. Hardouin 15:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- Your "contributions" here are certainly something to argue about. Photos with no accreditations, claims without sources, obfuscative or irrellevent phrasing, blanket reverting, sock puppetry, stalking, manipulative attempts at defamation aimed only at those ignorant of subject matter, refusal to discuss article items, tit for tat editing having nothing to do with anything quality or veracity, revert-warring to "push" personal WP:OR "interpretations" that go against documented fact created/published by this country's highest institutions - the list goes on...
- By the way, putting districts all as one into "alphabetical order" is just an in-your-face provocative counter to my earlier comment. You're quite a piece of work. THEPROMENADER 17:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- Don't you have better things to do than filling people's talk pages with useless rant? At least it makes the harrassment case quite clear to all. Hardouin 20:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- What's "useless" - and an enormous waste of time - is your behaviour I outlined above. I'm sorry that you don't like me taking the time to make it quite clear to you what you are doing is wrong - but I'm glad though that you're the only problem on the same Paris pages I tread, where your goal until a year ago was publishing/protecting your quite personal theories about where "you live" in spite of all existing reference, contestation and consensus. By today's edits as a witness, it's obvious that, not only are you still biased by your own agenda, but that you're not the slightest bit interested in correcting your ways. If you don't want long messages from me, then stop your fact-obfuscating edits and your disruptive and antisocial behaviour. THEPROMENADER 21:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Creeping Propaganda, dogging editors.
In what way is a template listing often distant suburban communes relevent to an article on an arrondissement of Paris? Don't even try to pretend that anyone will see a connection - or that anyone even cares. Will you stop with the creeping propaganda please - yes, yes, we know you live "in Paris" too.
How about finding another occupation here than dogging me everywhere? Your "spy and revert" attitude is not exactly what you can call productive, and it is frankly annoying - but I guess that's the whole point. I hope you feel better. THEPROMENADER 09:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Your protective reverting and and misleading comments are truely disruptive, provocative and unproductive. Not only is that template useless, it is cumbersome and of no informational interest - yet you insist as using it as a badge of some sorts. I've proposed that it be deleted. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 17:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- I would really appreciate it if you refrained from leaving slanderous and frankly dishonest "denunciations" of myself on other user's talk pages. You are obviously in the wrong, as per the sources provided to you thousands of times, so stop trying to garner the support of only the ignorant - seek the opinion of those knowledgable for a change - and stop whining please! THEPROMENADER 17:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, you state quite clearly your agenda here in your complaint to others - to make it look as though there's a "Greater Paris" even before it exists. I'm sorry, but you can't make things up or be misleading here - everything must be verifiable fact, not personal whimsy. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 17:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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Alsace-Lorraine: Geographical and historical data
Hardouin,
As best as I can tell going through the history for the article Alsace-Lorraine, you created the population table listed in the subsection titled Georgraphical and Historical Data. Your numbers look good, but could you please add a source for your information? Having a print source for that information would be very helpful for me in a paper I'm revising. Please contact me if you can recall where you got these numbers.
--Lnbaker104 (talk) 07:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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Will you please grow up?
I'm getting very tired of your counter-factual whining campaigns aimed only at the ignorant and those very few who share your "big-international-city-wannabe" POV. Wikipedia is not a pedestal for personal propaganda - it is for fact. Grow up. THEPROMENADER 17:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- (Looking up) And perhaps you could explain your (to what effect?) reverts to even my image contributions even in subjects that don't even concern Paris - this is pure and petty stalking. Again, wise up, grow up: Wiki is for those who contribute factually useful information for the benefit of others; it is not a pedestal for obsessive and opinionated pains in the ass. THEPROMENADER 17:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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Tit for tat editing
If you're spending so much time 'guarding' 'your' article, why do you refuse to finish it? There are dozens of citations needed to claims originally written by you - you've been asked repeatedly to fix this in the past.
And again: Will you kindly stop stalking me? As always, your only edit since days was to 'footprint' the contributions of another contributor within hours of his edit to one of 'your' articles. There was nothing erronous or wrong in anything I wrote, so your negations to my edits were pure proprietarialist prissiness. Please change your attitude, as it kills all possibilities for a constructive interaction with other contributors. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 06:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ask yourself why I and other editors such as Stevage and Metropolitan do not edit the Paris article anymore (an article we were frequent contributors to in the past). Hint: it is mainly because of your harassing editing behavior, your disagreeing and fighting about every single little detail, your frequent rewriting of other people's edits. If you think I exagerate, just ask Stevage, and be honest with yourself and with your behavior for once, instead of taking the moral self-righteous ground as you always do. Hardouin (talk) 11:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Bullshit. All that results from your 'footprinting' any edit, blanket reverting and widespread whining when you can't 'out revert' your way. I've never had to resort to any method of the sort. Those who don't know any better or share the same agenda as you are the only ones who can possibly support you - and it is exactly for this that you complain only to they. I have only sought the support of those knowledgeable - because I publish for fact, not agenda or appropriation. Reality speaks for itself, no matter how you spin it. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 16:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Anyhow, none of this can hide the fact that you are obviously stalking me. Stop. Thanks. THEPROMENADER 16:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Will you kindly piss off with your antisocial and unconstructive editing habits? You are causing nothing but problems. I 1) make an edit after having made none since weeks 2) you arrive only hours after to (as usual) revert those changes to then 3) accompany your reverts (to a version, oh irony, that was of my writing) with dishonest commentary to then 4) partake on a widespread whining campaign. What's even more ironic is that the sense of my additions was quite in the same direction as your pet agenda... you know, it is quite possible to write coherently without vagueness or misleading (lack of) details - you have much to learn. THEPROMENADER 19:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Then if 1) it is a version of your writing in the first place, and 2) it goes against the supposed direction of my supposed "pet agenda", then it is indeed ironic that you wouldn't accept this version or yours that goes against my supposed "pet agenda". All I can see here is you don't understand that your edit was too long and complicated for the lead of the article, which ought to remain simple. There are already unité urbaine and urban area articles where people can find all the details, as well as a demography section inside the Paris article where it is stated that the urban area is 26 times larger than the city proper, so no need to restate all these details in the lead of the article. Perhaps you think people are too dumb to click on the links so you need to read out the linked articles for them? Or perhaps you think the fact that the urban area is 26 times larger than the city proper is such an important info that it is really impossible not to have it in the lead of the article? Be serious please. Hardouin (talk) 20:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Stop spouting tripe. My original edit was clearly an improvement reflecting recent events and demographical fact, intended only as that - and you reverted it just for the sake of - reverting it. Get a life already. THEPROMENADER 21:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- You can also edit the sections of the article you know. You always make your edits in the lead, as if it's the only place where edits can be made. The lead is already quite long. It is supposed to be a short summary of the most salient points of the article, not an essay on details such as the exact size of the urban area or the latest news regarding the local administrative reform. There are dedicated section for these. Use them. Hardouin (talk) 21:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Stop spouting tripe. My original edit was clearly an improvement reflecting recent events and demographical fact, intended only as that - and you reverted it just for the sake of - reverting it. Get a life already. THEPROMENADER 21:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Then if 1) it is a version of your writing in the first place, and 2) it goes against the supposed direction of my supposed "pet agenda", then it is indeed ironic that you wouldn't accept this version or yours that goes against my supposed "pet agenda". All I can see here is you don't understand that your edit was too long and complicated for the lead of the article, which ought to remain simple. There are already unité urbaine and urban area articles where people can find all the details, as well as a demography section inside the Paris article where it is stated that the urban area is 26 times larger than the city proper, so no need to restate all these details in the lead of the article. Perhaps you think people are too dumb to click on the links so you need to read out the linked articles for them? Or perhaps you think the fact that the urban area is 26 times larger than the city proper is such an important info that it is really impossible not to have it in the lead of the article? Be serious please. Hardouin (talk) 20:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Will you kindly piss off with your antisocial and unconstructive editing habits? You are causing nothing but problems. I 1) make an edit after having made none since weeks 2) you arrive only hours after to (as usual) revert those changes to then 3) accompany your reverts (to a version, oh irony, that was of my writing) with dishonest commentary to then 4) partake on a widespread whining campaign. What's even more ironic is that the sense of my additions was quite in the same direction as your pet agenda... you know, it is quite possible to write coherently without vagueness or misleading (lack of) details - you have much to learn. THEPROMENADER 19:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)