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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Please stop inserting this material. Per WP:WPSCH/AG we don't list non-notable students, and we don't list individual wins. Undoing the other editor's removal without explanation is the same as calling the edits vandalism, which they were not. Meters (talk) 16:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
User:Meters In the (Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Article_guidelines of what to put in a High School page it includes "Awards and recognition – A list of notable awards and recognition received by the school, staff, or students. Such a list should only include awards which are themselves notable, and if the school received the same type of awards in multiple years, they should not be listed separately." When a young athlete wins a State Championship or receives All-State honors it is a "notable" award or recognition in the State. Additionally, I had put all of these awards in to tables for easy viewing and to save space on the page.Hermanns 99 (talk) 22:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Individual high school sporting championships (or all star honors) are not normally considered notable or listed in Wikipedia articles. School championships are listed, but individual students and their wins are not. From "Extracurricular activities" in the same essay you quote above "Individual awards should generally not be listed." and from the "What not to include" section of the same essay "Special care should be taken in regards to the mention of individual pupils or providing information that would allow individual pupils to be identified (particularly where they are underage); such disclosures should only occur in exceptional circumstances." Meters (talk) 22:42, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
User:Meters I was just reviewing Wikipedia's concept of "Notability". It is a subjective evaluation and seems to me there are varying degrees of the term. There is notability in the sense that it is at a national or world level and deserves it's own wiki page of which I am in full agreement, but then there is notability at a more regional level, and should be limited to a regional page. That is what I am trying to do on this Wiki link. As the father of four I fully agree with safeguarding the information of high schools students privacy information. That is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about adding historical content to Wikipedia about regional notability that has already been established and reported by an outside organization ie. news outlet. State champions and all-state honors for New Mexico are published in the Albuquerque Journal (http://www.abqjournal.com/707482/belen-wins-team-title-at-wrestling-tourney.html), Santa Fe New Mexican (http://www.santafenewmexican.com/sports/brothers-romero-tapia-combine-for-individual-state-wrestling-titles/article_4ba0c87d-b084-5651-839d-0235a4400bc5.html), NMPreps.com (https://nmpreps.n.rivals.com/news/all-state-football-team-class-6a-1st-team-selections), Maxpreps.com and New Mexico High School Coaches Association website (http://nmhsca.com/PageBuilder.aspx?page=20156AAll_StateFootball). This information is already out there all over the web. Just because it hasn't been on a high schools wiki page previously doesn't mean it shouldn't be on there now. If you look at my sandbox right now I started on a page for past New Mexico State Wrestling Champions. I am only back to 2003 as information gets hard to find past that. Imagine if I can get all the champions back to 1957 how valuable that information would be. Instead of scanning old internet websites or (heaven forbid, trying to find old newspapers), someone could come out and find all that info on Wikipedia!Hermanns 99 (talk) 23:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think there is anything else I can tell you. You disagree with long-standing consensus on what should go in School articles. My talk page, your talk page, or the article's talk page are not the place to try and change that. Maybe Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines? I would suggest that you rethink your approach though. The dubious claims of thousands of local readers, accusing editors of sanitizing the article or being the type of editors who are ruining Wikipedia, and prematurely threatening to take the issue to dispute resolution are not going to help. Meters (talk) 23:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- I would add that this is a content dispute and belongs on the article's talk page. Please feel free to copy any pertinent information there with a notation as to where it came from. I would also suggest that you heed Meters suggestions. Article content is ultimately based on consensus formed from sound arguement made based in good sources and policy. You are making a poor start in forming a consensus, as consensus requires agreement. Name calling is not a good way to start. Most of the content you are promoting is not appropriate, but there is some potential for improvement in the article. Perhaps you may wish to refocus your efforts on that or in the alternative take Meters suggestion and do as hundreds of school fans have done before you and secure a domain and start a website. It really isn't all that hard or costly anymore. I will not be discussing this matter here, on Meters talk page or on mine any further. If you wish to pursue it please do so at the article's talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 01:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
This account is close. I will no longer be making contributions to Wikipedia due to the overzealous censorship by other editors that takes place. ANOTHER CONTRIBUTOR BITES THE DUST!
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