User talk:RMHED

Revolutionary bacon

Your user page is looking good. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it mights mighty tasty. MrMacMan^Talk 10:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above: Garibaldi is indeed one sexy hunk of man. -kotra (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rumour has it he possessed a 13 inch cock. Garibaldi Baconfat 20:41, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, there's an article about that too ....... Pedro : Chat 20:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Otto (dog)

This ref [1], as found in the dog's article, states that the dog is British. Do not remove this info again from the deaths in 2010 article, as it is perfectly legitimate. No ref is required there for nationality, only for the death itself. Thanks, Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So you're saying Otto is a British citizen? Garibaldi Baconfat 21:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The ref says the dog was British. No mention of "citizenship" is required in refs for any other subject on that article, nor is it required for this one. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The top of the Recent deaths page gives listing criteris as : Name, age, country of citizenship and reason for notability, established cause of death, reference.

You'll be removing all nationalities of the other entries then. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, I just find it rather controversial to claim that an animal has a nationality unlike a person where it's the norm. Garibaldi Baconfat 21:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's controversial at all. Nationality is ascribed to people via passports or place of birth. Plenty of animals such as dogs, all racehorses and sporting animals, and many zoo animals have passports, and all animals have a place of birth. Citizenship carries with it rights and responsibilities, which animals are subject to, like humans. Animals have rights that are given to them by the state, and they are also subject to its laws, via their owners. Generally, an animal's nationality is irrelevant to its life, but in cases where the animal is notable, a nationality is often used. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well the next time you see an adult animal at a polling booth I'd love to know. Garibaldi Baconfat 21:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Being a citizen of a country has nothing to do with voting rights. Children are citizens of a country but have no vote. Prisoners etc.. it's a non-sequitur. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever you say, if you say animals can be citizens then fine, even though you've not provided a scrap of proof. I suppose that means the mice in my shed are citizens too, yet I can legally kill them. Garibaldi Baconfat 21:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't said they are or aren't citizens. I said they have rights and responsibilities like human citizens, in response to your suggestion that the idea was controversial. You haven't provided any proof that animals aren't citizens either. I suspect proving that animals don't have nationalities would be very difficult. And of course animals don't all have the same rights. You can kill mice, but not monkeys, for example. I think mice do have a right to be killed humanely though. Like if you went around stamping on mice in public, you could be arrested. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to add content that asserts animals have citizenship then the responsibility is yours to provide the reference to back it up, a Daily Mail headline just doesn't cut it. This is the UK, you can be arrested here just for minding your own business, then DNA swabbed, then stuck on a database, aint democracy wonderful. Garibaldi Baconfat 22:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your beef is with Otto (dog), not Deaths in 2010 which is solely mirroring the main article and adding a reference for the death. I suggest you take it up on that article's talk page. The reference irrevocably satisfies the nationality argument, and any nitpicking over nationality / citizenship is beyond the scope of the deaths article. Your last point is, sadly, true. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It'll be a sad day when anything printed in The Daily Mail is automatically taken as irrevocable, still it is a useful publication as it makes The Sun look positively liberal. Garibaldi Baconfat 22:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've often argued that newspapers should not be reliable sources as they frequently print rubbish and pass it off as truth, not that I'm including Otto's Britishness in that. But Wikipedia states that they're reliable and we have to abide by that. Any newspaper reference is considered pretty solid. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does that include The Daily Sport'? Garibaldi Baconfat 22:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I sincerely hope not. I'd be interested to know what happened if anyone tried to use it as a reference. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it was a BLP they'd deserve a bloody good slapping. Garibaldi Baconfat 22:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On that, we are agreed :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't a dachshund named Otto normally be expected to be Austrian or German? ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Sean Penn.jpg

Good spot. I'd gone by what the person on Flikr had said and hadn't managed to find the image anywhere else. By all means please delete the image. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 20:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

talkback

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smithers - talk 21:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Final warning

One more disruptive edit and you will soon find yourself indefinitely blocked. Consider this a final warning. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have you issued the same warning to Wisdom? I was just following his example. Garibaldi Baconfat 01:06, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems you haven't, now I wonder why that might be... Garibaldi Baconfat 01:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Your response suggests you do not understand why your actions are disruptive. As such I have indefinitely blocked you. I will be posting to ANI in due course. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - ANI thread you may wish to follow. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - So I did what Wisdom did and I'm disruptive and he's OK? Garibaldi Baconfat 01:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        No, you engaged in disruptive activity to prove a point, which will not be tolerated. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        How was it disruptive, please provide any and all evidence of disruption caused. Garibaldi Baconfat 01:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        [2] –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        About as disruptive as this. Garibaldi Baconfat 01:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Nope. JamieS93 01:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is that the entirety of the evidence for the prosecution? Garibaldi Baconfat 01:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Watching this from outside, I'd counsel that you shouldn't confuse erudition with immunity, per Alan Turing's sad experience. Tread carefully, please. Rodhull andemu 01:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Rod. Poor old Alan did indeed suffer the slings and arrows, my grandmother told me he was a very shy man who only ever really became animated when he talked about his work and the bastards even took that away from him. Garibaldi Baconfat 01:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that he was given a devil's bargain, and preferred to choose death rather than subscribe to an unacceptable dichotomy. Meanwhile, I can't do anything about Turing, whereas you can do something about RMHED. Up to you, but I think you have to go some as things currently stand. It's nothing personal, you understand. Rodhull andemu 01:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes indeed, nobody gets a fair trial at the AN/I boards, it's more akin to a mob lynching, and my goodness what an unattractive mob it is. Garibaldi Baconfat 01:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to get into a debate at this late hour, but neither am I going to remove my proposal supporting your blocking: that's up to you to deal with. The reason for this is that as a editor here, I'm up front about what I'm about, and am not involved in cryptology. WYSYWIG, I'm afraid, although anyone who knows me could reasonably identify me, although they haven't. On your part, however, deliberate obscurantism, although defensible, is also opaque. Garibaldi, to me, means an Italian patriot, and a biscuit. Bacon, well, prosciutto it isn't. As for supporting Gregory Kohs, you're free to do that, FWIW, which doesn't appear to mean much on this website. Heigh-ho. Rodhull andemu 02:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Such is life", as Ned may have said before becoming dead. Garibaldi Baconfat 02:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]