User talk:Wikiant

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Friendly 3RR notice

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in Juris Doctor. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Peyna 20:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

J.D. Mediation

Please note that there is a Mediation conversation at Talk:J.D. in regards to WP:MedCab. --Jon Cates 01:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Minimum Wage Graphs

Thanks for adding the graphs to the Minimum Wage article. Can you add a link that explains their significance or indicates how to read them? What type of graphs are they; what is the name of this type of graph? Jerimee 05:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Query on your minimum wage contributions and new Debatepedia debate on minimum wage

Noticed your good contributions on the "minimum wage article". A number of us have been working on a similar article on Debatepedia - Minimum Wage in the United States Debate. Just thought you might be interested. Loudsirens 21:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Teens.gif

Can you remove the trendline from Image:Teens.gif? The data obviously does not follow a linear regression. -Ravedave 02:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe what you mean to say is that there is no significant relationship between the two variables. This is incorrect. The slope of the regression line is statistically non-zero at the 1% level of significance. Wikiant 12:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Third party mediator sought

I tried, several months ago, to explain why I believe that these graphs are original research. When no agreement was reached I deliberately took time off from the dialogue to calm down and gain perspective. I then came back and proposed a compromise: that the tag "original research?" be applied to the graphs to raise awareness and encourage further dialogue. Wikiant undid that edit, and then I undid wikiant's. realizing that an edit war with perpetual disagreement could easily result, I am taking Wikiant's advice and seeking arbitration.

Burkander 20:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Duquesne University

Hello. Thanks for getting rid of that restored shooting section. However, the IP also deleted almost all of the intro section, and all the page references, in "re-adding" that section. ([1]) I wanted to inform you that I'm just going to revert to the last revision before the IP address, since so much work was lost. I thought you should know, since it will revert your reversion. Alekjds ^talk 20:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Minimum wage edits

Hello. I added the Holly Sklar et al. book into the Minimum wage book because it seemed relevant.

Sklar, Holly; Mykyta, Laryssa; Wefald, Susan, "Raise The Floor: Wages and Policies That Work For All Of Us", 2002, South End Press. ISBN 0-89608-683-6

You took it out as "spam" ? Perhaps I should not have had an external link to the publisher's site which was merely informational. I do think the Sklar book, although not academicially rigorous, is relevant to that article. Best Wishes. -- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 18:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response and well-taken points. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have just put the following at Talk:Minimum wage:-

Isn't it sufficient that the Kim Swales's page links to his work, with the faxfn site cited there referencing papers submitted to the EC? And how is it "ego-spam", when I went to some trouble not to cite my own work but rather his? This is not the first time I have tried to mention his work on this page, so I am afraid that unless I see a positive reason - not a "looks like" - I am going to have to counter with "repeated removals without a positive reason 'looks like' vandalism". If you want a citation, follow the link to his page and then to his sources and put in one that satisfies you - don't simply delete. To my mind, putting Kim Swales was a sufficient citation; if you want more, go and get it.

I see from the other comments here that you have a tendency to use the "ready, fire, aim" approach. May I suggest you check some of these things for yourself, before I start editing again? In a few days I'll put suggested wordings on Talk:Minimum wage so you can sniff the dog's behind before you jump in. P.M.Lawrence 203.221.28.105 (talk) 07:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:Verifiability policy states, "All material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a reliable, published source." As you are the one adding the Swale's passage, the onus for providing the reference is on you, not me. Wikiant (talk) 14:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But how isn't "Kim Swales" a sufficient reference? I will shortly put a suggested wording on Talk:Minimum wage, and invite comments. P.M.Lawrence 203.220.83.29 (talk) 11:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Kim Swales" isn't a reference -- it's the name of the author. A reference cites a reliable printed source. In this case, I'd expect a journal article (journal name, article title, date of publication, etc.) Wikiant (talk) 11:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course "Kim Swales" isn't a reference, but I didn't write that, I wrote "Kim Swales", giving a link. And why isn't that sufficient, when that's just precisely how many other things in wikipedia get links and references? Would you be happy if the new material linked directly to the same stuff that is linked on the Kim Swales page? If not, why not, and if so, doesn't that just increase the clutter and the difficulty of maintenance when that gets moved around, as everything is sooner or later? P.M.Lawrence 203.220.42.115 (talk) 05:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, what you provided isn't a reference. A reference (in this case) would like this: "Friedman, M., 1942. The inflationary gap. American Economic Review 32(2), 314-320." The reference lists the journal, article, volume, and page numbers for the research paper that contains the information you are citing in the wikipedia article. Wikiant (talk) 11:46, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have repeatedly asked what is insufficient about what I put, and you have repeatedly failed and refused to answer that question, instead repeating your insistence on a citation in a particular form and describing the form you insist on. Yet the wikipedia guidelines themselves allow flexibility. Since Kim Swales did not put these things in a journal but in a report to the EC, this appears to be precisely the sort of case where the flexibility is appropriate - your sort of citation does not exist, even though the work is sound and can be consulted (via the link I provided). Since Kim Swales took the trouble to canvass these things while he was working on them, an internet archive exists and is available via his wikipedia page. So, again I ask not what you call a citation but what you find inadequate about what I provided. If you do not answer the question, I shall put a draft on Talk:Minimum wage, and after it evolves move it to Minimum wage. If you alter or delete either of those stages in the sort of unconstructive way you have done before, I shall submit it for arbitration as being tantamount to vandalism, drawing the arbitrator's particular attention to your track record and high handedness in the past in relation to other people's efforts. P.M.Lawrence 203.221.31.124 (talk) 03:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:Verifiability policy says, "In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses..." and, "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are highly valued and usually the most reliable sources in areas where they are available, such as history, medicine and science." Kim Swales has authored a number of peer-reviewed articles, but the report to the EC is not one of them. If you want your edit to stick, find where in Swales' peer-reviewed articles his tax policy theory appears and quote that. (Also, please stop duplicating this discussion on my talk page. It is sufficient that the discussion appears on the minimum wage talk page.) Wikiant (talk) 12:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would normally be "sufficient that the discussion appears on the minimum wage talk page". However, that would make your behaviour appear to be an isolated incident. It is necessary to log this here as well so that it will appear alongside descriptions of your similar behaviour on other occasions. That is the only way future editors and arbitrators can see the pattern. I remind you that an EC report is a source. You are giving away the narrowness of your criteria, despite the greater flexibility the standard policy allows. P.M.Lawrence 203.194.51.184 (talk) 02:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We appear to be talking past each other as I am hearing you repeat the same argument which I believe I have adequately addressed multiple times. So, let's try a different approach. Let's put aside for the moment the question of whether or not the EC report constitutes a "reliable resource." Give us a link to the specific report that you are citing as support for the Kim Swales work. Wikiant (talk) 12:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

JD edits

Your removing reference to 博士 in Chinese was a mistake, which you can verify with any dictionary. Zoticogrillo (talk) 21:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop leaving article discussion comments on my talk page. Put the comments on the article's discussion page. Wikiant (talk) 21:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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