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Featured article

How do I get something to be the featured article on Wikipedia? I’m trying to put Weezer on there. Theobegley2013 (talk) 22:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

See WP:FAR --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok? Theobegley2013 (talk) 22:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:FA & WP:FAC, it needs to go through a lengthy process before it can be featured. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

? Theobegley2013 (talk) 22:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Theobegley2013: Can I help you? As Tagishsimon said, the process to have it featured is long and complicated. Raising the article to Good Article status is probably a good first step before shooting for Featured Article. And even Good Articles are pretty hard! You'd need to do a lot of work. (for reference, here's an example of an unsuccessful GA review). Cremastra (talk) 22:31, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. Here's a Featured article candidate review which took about 6 weeks to complete starting from the point that the nominator thought the article was of sufficient quality. FA is super-hard to achieve. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Theobegley2013. You might want to aim for WP:GA status first since the process is a bit less rigorous and everything needed for GA-status is going to also be needed for FA-status. You might also want to discuss this on Talk:Weezer to see whether you can find anyone else interested in helping you or get some other input. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Why are you using WP abbreviations? Theobegley2013 (talk) 22:25, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Click on the links, Theobegley2013. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree to aim for taking the article from B-class to Good article before nominating for FA. For both GA and FA, reviewers like to see that you made significant improvements, as evidenced by many edits, before nominating. David notMD (talk) 03:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

And for GA there's the 10% threshold, correct? Cremastra (talk) 13:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Cremastra 10% of Wikipedia articles happen to have GA status, but that's not a threshold rule. It could be 100% if the rate of improvement of existing articles outpaced creation of new/unmaintained articles. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 02:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Shushugah: I meant that the nominator had to have contributed more than 10% of the article. I'm pretty sure that's one of the GA criteria. Or am I hallucinating? Cremastra (talk) 02:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

It's not an explicit part of the WP:GAN instructions, however there is certainly discussion. Part of the issue is technical, who gets credit, when there's mixed/multiple authors? Last relevant discussion I found is here Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations/Archive 15 § Overanxious nominators ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 02:26, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Don't worry, you're not hallucinating. At WP:GAN/I, there's a footnote stating that a nomination is uncontroversially drive-by when the nominator is either less than 10% of the article or ranked sixth or lower in authorship, and there is no post on the article talk page. I believe the post on the article talk page part covers when there's mixed/multiple editors. (There's a warning template for it as well: Template:Uw-ga-driveby) ayakanaa ( t · c ) 01:38, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Making an Article for a Little-Known Artist

I came across a book in my grandpa's old things with a delightful and very familiar illustration style. "A Hallmark Pop-Up book- Christmas Time at Santa's Workshop". It's published by Hallmark and doesn't have a date (likely printed late 70's early 80's) so I looked up the artist. This artist, Pat Paris, has no article here but DOES have a Wookipedia article because it seems they illustrated the Ewoks kid's books and might have influenced the later TV show? There's some listings of other books by them on book trading/selling sites but this guy (or girl) has no other info I can find! I don't have enough to MAKE an article. Just a book in my hand and some dead links on Wookipedia. Any idea how to get enough to make a page on them? It feels wrong that WOOKIPEDIA has more than Wikipedia does. [1]https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Pat_Paris#cite_note-Galaxy_3-paperback swap SkeletonGod (talk) 18:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that fan-based wikis tend to have less stringent requirements than Wikipedia does. The Wookieepedia article about Paris has two sources, which is probably insufficient for a Wikipedia article. Terms like "little known" used to refer to a potential article subject usually means that the subject does not merit a Wikipedia article. If you can't find any independent reliable sources with significant coverage of this person, showing how they meet the narrow notable creative professional definition or the broader notable person definition, they would not merit an article. There isn't any way to confer notability on a subject; there must be sources about them, that discuss them in depth and show how they are notable, so that those sources can be summarized in an article. 331dot (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll give up. Just a shame this person illustrated dozens of books at least, some for well known properties, and because they were all likely under tight contract with these companies there's not even a way to document or find them all. Just lost to time. SkeletonGod (talk) 19:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Pat Paris isn't completely lost to time, for there is the Wookipedia stub article. I once started off-and-on searching for information on a once-popular children's author, and when I found something I'd add it to a computer file I started on my desktop. Four years later I published David Cory (author). You might want to start an occasional hobby of looking for Pat Paris information. Even if you never find enough good sources to write a Wikipedia article, perhaps you could add to the Wookipedia article, or find another location to share what you've found. Best wishes on your efforts to learn more about Pat Paris. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:32, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Karen! I'll hold on to what I found for now. At least since their work is with Golden Books, Lucas Films and other bigger publishers I have serial numbers and copyright info to collect. SkeletonGod (talk) 19:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Inline citation/footnote for the same source within the article

I have a couple sources. Within my article, I need to reference the same source a couple times. But it generates a new footnote/citation/number each time. I have tried to define a reference list following instructions but I get the error "Cite error: A list-defined reference with group name "" is not used in the content (see the help page)."

To Define my list I did:

< references > < ref name="refname1">citation info here< /ref></ references> (Unlike my example here, in my article, I did not use a space after '< ' - I did it here because if I didn't it was changed how this message appeared).

In my text citation, after the piece of text to cite, I did:

< ref name="refname1"/> (again, no space after the '<' ) I also tried this with and without "refname1" in quotes. I get the same error.

What am I doing wrong? What would make it right?

Curious Canadian 23 (talk) 19:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Curious Canadian 23: Hello! I think you should remove <references> parts and it will work Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 19:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Example: first citation, second citation Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 19:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I tried it that way before adding the < references > part and it still gave me the same error. Curious Canadian 23 (talk) 19:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Curious Canadian 23, I suggest publishing it with duplicated reference, then I will edit it to make one reference and you will see in the diff how it's done. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 19:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

That's very kind of you. I have submitted for review and am unsure how to share a link to the article for you to edit. Curious Canadian 23 (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Curious Canadian, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. You make a Wikilink (a link to a page within Wikipedia) by putting the page name in double brackets, so [[Draft:Aston J. Hall]] appears as Draft:Aston J. Hall. You do the same within an article, so [[York University]] appears as York University. You can change the display text by using a "pipe" character thus: [[Scarborough, Ontario|Scarborough]] for Scarborough.

The fact that you've embarked on the challenging task of creating an article without knowing something as basic as this suggests to me that you are probably giving yourself a disappointing and frustrating experience. Would you enter a competition when you have only just taken up a sport? Or give a public recital an an instrument you never played before last week?

I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles (and in particular, learning about reliable sources and referencing) before they try to create a new article. In your case, I earnestly advise you to leave your draft on the side for at least a few weeks while you learn the craft. ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Curious Canadian 23 I've merged duplicate references, here is the diff. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 23:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay I see now. Thank you that was helpful. Curious Canadian 23 (talk) 23:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

References

Disappearing pictures

Is there a problem with Commons? I'm not seeing any images, just blank spaces in articles? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Murgatroyd49, hello! For me it's normal, the problem is likely on your side. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 20:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

That's what I was afraid of! I've done a complete reboot and tried different devices, still no images. All other websites I've tried are fine. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Murgatroyd49: Our actual images (not the file pages) are stored at https://upload.wikimedia.org. Claygate railway station displays an image at https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Claygate_station_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1022355.jpg/300px-Claygate_station_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1022355.jpg. Does that link work for you? If not then it may be your Internet provider which currently fails to retrieve pages from that domain. Such things can happen. A few interface images are hosted here at en.wikipedia.org. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/static/images/footer/wikimedia-button.png is displayed in the lower right corner. Does that work? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I can see the button but not the Claygate image. The link just locked up so it looks like I can't access the server. Must have words with my ISP. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Right, contacted my ISP and they twiddled a few things and the images came back. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:45, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm seeing the blank spaces too. I can see images if I go to Commons, but not on Wikipedia, apart from the main page. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Northernhenge: If Commons works then it's probably a different issue. Maybe someting in your browser or a browser extension is set to block images which are loaded from another domain than the page you are viewing. Commons is at https://commons.wikimedia.org and our images are loaded from https://upload.wikimedia.org so they are both at wikimedia.org. Can you see https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Claygate_station_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1022355.jpg/300px-Claygate_station_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1022355.jpg? Can you see the same image in the infobox at Claygate railway station? If the anwers are yes and no then my domain theory sounds right except it doesn't explain why you can see main page images. What is your browser? Years ago one of the common browsers (not sure which one) had a feature where it was easy to accidentally block images from another domain. Can you try another browser on the same computer or Internet connection and test whether it works there? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes and no on Safari on iPadOS 17.2, but the Claygate page displays correctly on Android Chrome v120. I therefore assume it's a setting on the iPad. Thanks for your help. --Northernhenge (talk) 00:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Northernhenge: I'm trying to narrow down what may be blocked. Can you see the Claygate image at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1937264#P18? At https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Claygate_station_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1022355.jpg? Can you see an image saying "a WIKIMEDIA project" at https://en.wikipedia.org/static/images/footer/wikimedia-button.png? (One of a few interface images which are loaded from en.wikipedia.org and not upload.wikimedia.org) Can you see the same image in the lower right corner of this page? If you have a "Desktop" link at the bottom of the page (meaning you are on the mobile version of Wikipedia) then click that before checking the lower right corner. You can return to the mobile version by clicking "Mobile view" at the bottom of the desktop version. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I can see the wikimedia button image but not the others. Northernhenge (talk) 01:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @PrimeHunter: for your continuing help. Unfortunately I need to go offline for a while, but it's much appreciated. --Northernhenge (talk) 01:05, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

And now I’m not seeing images in Commons either. I’ll keep looking for iPad settings, given that it seems ok on Android. Northernhenge (talk) 00:59, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

If images come and go at Commons then it may not be a setting after all. Somebody at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Images slow to load mentioned a varying image problem which appears to affect the UK. I guess from User:Northernhenge that you are in the UK so maybe you just have to wait for something to become more stable. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Not sure if red-herring or related, but T353849 is a server-side parser error related to images with geotagging. DMacks (talk) 04:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Advertisement of WikiProjects

Hello,

I am wondering if where I can advertise WikiProjects, if it's allowed. I am requesting this knowledge as my project Wikipedia:WikiProject Fossorials has no members yet, and it's its first day. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 20:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Realistically, a WikiProject will not succeed if there are not at least 5-10 members upon launch. Are you sure there are enough people interested in Fossorials for this project to be viable? Mach61 (talk) 21:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, there are many people who like animals and Fossorials are animals that spend most of their time underground, so there are probably going to be people who like animals that are fossorials and maybe consider joining. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 22:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Consider reading Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide before proceeding further. Mach61 (talk) 22:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Memer15151: Wikiproject creation guidance is given at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Creating a WikiProject. The probability is that following this guidance is helpful, not least in avoiding the creation of projects which do not have obvious support. I get the impression you have not followed the guidance, and that you expect, for some reason, that your extremely niche project will be successful despite the long history of projects failing and becoming moribund on WP. I think you're kidding yourself & flogging a dead horse. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Trust me, I have nothing better to do today to be honest. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 23:49, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

But I suppose I will still need to recruit members, and I am still wondering where you can do that. I'm not expecting this to be a super popular project, maybe 15-20 active members at most. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 23:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd suggest G7ing the page for now and recreating after finding interested members. Not everything needs a project. Mach61 (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Memer15151: There's Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Recruiting editors, although it seems Reports bot no longer does the task listed here. GoingBatty (talk) 00:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

(EC) Well, I gave you a huge great clue, above. Paragraph 2 of the 'Before you begin' section of 'Creating a WikiProject' provides a suggestion for you, which is to find related wikiprojects and post on their talk pages. Wikipedia:WikiProject Animals, for example, but there may be more. Read the section I pointed you to. Right now your project does not seem to have much of an aim, other than to be a project; and that is assuredly not enough. You would be trying to convince users to join, and right now it's not clear what they're joining or why they would be disposed to join. Again, in part, this is the result of your backwards process in which you decided to have a project, then wondered if anyone would like to join it, and perhaps eventually you'll get around to wondering what the project might do. So it's unclear what pitch you'll be making to potential members. And it may be that you get little response; may be that you get flamed for proposing a half-baked idea; who knows. hth. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to thank you for helping me, and I'm sorry if I may sound unprofessional, I'm pretty new to this kind of stuff. I've definitely learned from this.

Kind regards, UserMemer (chat) Tribs 00:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

It's no problem; you're not actively doing harm so it's all good, and, as you say, a learning experience. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

How does a wiki article get tagged for search?

Does a content creator have to add something specific so that the article appears in search? Blue2berry (talk) 21:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Blue2berry, hello! What do you mean by "appears in search"? Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 21:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Blue2berry, if you mean like Google search, then I believe we can do nothing about it. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 21:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Articles are not indexed on Google until they are reviewed or until 90 days pass. Editors may prevent indexing, via the use of a {{noindex}} tag. For more information see Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing Mach61 (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Please always be specific when you ask questions. There are many possibilities depending on which search feature you mean, where the page is and who created it. If you for example asked "How will Dev Pragad appear in Google searches?" then we could give a much more precise answer. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps. OTOH teahouse users should show patience and accept that users will not always post questions with forensic exactitude; it's probably as well to ask 'did you mean' questions in response, where you are unsure, rather than upbraid the user. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Tagishsimon User:Blue2berry has been an editor since 2017, with some efforts as a paid editor. In my opinion, all of the responders provided useful replies. David notMD (talk) 04:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello

What It's Wikivoyage? Translatemethebolla (talk) 00:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Translatemethebolla: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikivoyage is a sister Wikimedia project to Wikipedia that aspires to be a user-generated travel guide. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Translatemethebolla: See also the Wikipedia article Wikivoyage. GoingBatty (talk) 04:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Where to begin?

Hi! I've been lurking on Wikipedia for a year now (and refuse to log in on my phone), but I'm not really sure where to start. I've basically run out of copyediting tasks or I'm hesitant to move on to the harder ones given a general lack of knowledge on both source & visual editor.

Also, what is the best place to report vandalism? I watch recent changes quite often, but often don't know what the best place to report those is. Thanks in advance! Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 01:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Schrödinger's jellyfish thank you for your contributions. Best place to report vandalism (if necessary) is Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism and I would recommend installing WP:TWINKLE to make warnings easier. Is there a reason you don't log in on your phone? It would make additional tooling/communication easier. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 02:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I use a manager. Would having a mobile-exclusive account be alright, as long as I make it clear that it's me on the other device? Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 02:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes; something like "User:Schrödinger's jellyfish on mobile", perhaps. -- Hoary (talk) 02:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Schrödinger's jellyfish, your first paragraph: Forget visual editor: you're likely to run into its limitations sooner or later. (Or so I infer from what I've read about it. I've never been tempted to try it.) Source editing with syntax highlighting is the way to go. (Unfortunately I'm chronically unable to remember where within Special:Preferences I've enabled syntax highlighting; and when I look for this option there, I don't find it.) You will often be warned not to rely on your own knowledge when augmenting articles. And indeed you should not do so. However, your own knowledge is of great importance when editing: it helps you find good materials, to understand those good materials, and to faithfully summarize what's said in those good materials. So start with articles on subjects you know something about. -- Hoary (talk) 02:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Syntax highlighting is under Gadgets → Editing. Folly Mox (talk) 02:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both! I've turned it on. Already makes it a million times easier to use! Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 02:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

As for editing on your phone, Schrödinger's jellyfish, I am going to be immodest here, and suggest that you read my essay, User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. I have done 99% of my editing from smartphones for many years. Cullen328 (talk) 06:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I've linked it on User:Phönedinger's jellyfish's page so I can get to it more easily. I didn't even know about the smart punctuation thing! Just disabled it. Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 02:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Schrödinger's jellyfish: If you're looking for more copyediting tasks, you could try updating these articles to remove the "double dollars" (e.g. change "$50,000 dollars" to "$50,000"). The same issue occurs with euros and pounds. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Distinguishing between articles with same titles...

How to edit wiki pages that have that same article title Mozart12345678910 (talk) 01:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Mozart12345678910, it's impossible for this situation to arise. Titles are discrete: as a trivial example, there's If (preposition) and there's also If (subordinator). If there is, say, a musician you'd like to write about who happens to be called Rudy Giuliani, you can create Draft:Rudy Giuliani (musician); when this is promoted to article status, the person who promotes it will do all that's necessary for the title. -- Hoary (talk) 01:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mozart12345678910: If you have a specific case in mind then post it so we can say what to do there. As Hoary says, it's not possible for two pages to have the exact same title. Maybe you are thinking of something else like what to do if you wanted two pages to have the same title. That will depend strongly on the subject of the pages so we need specifics. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

My edit was undone but I do not know exactly why.

My edit of the A. Whipple House was undone but I do not know exactly why, or what I need to do to update the fact that the house no longer exists. It was razed December of 2023. DDezz (talk) 01:55, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @DDezz and welcome to the Teahouse! You must provide a reliable source in the form of an inline citation to confirm that statement. Happy editing, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 02:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. All I have are photos of the demolition and a Facebook post. Will either or both work? DDezz (talk) 02:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

No, neither will. You might look a newspaper website. (Or of course in an actual, wood-pulp newspaper.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:21, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! DDezz (talk) 02:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps this Worcester MA news website. -- Hoary (talk) 02:25, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

How to make a category entry say something different to the article name?

I've seen this done but I can't remember how.

Why would you need to? For things like:

• Films/TV shows which are on the same article as the book/books they're based on.
• Specific episodes of a TV series.

Danstarr69 (talk) 09:34, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Danstarr. Unless things have changed since I last looked at this (admittedly, a few years back), you can't. The "pipe" mechanism, which in other links accepts the display text, is used in category entries only for a sort key.

The only thing I can suggest is a redirect: Create the title (film) as a redirect to the title, and add the category to the redirect. See WP:Categorizing redirects. ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Indeed you can't. The redirect option is possible but should usually only be considered if the title of the redirect refers to a limited part of the target, and there are good reasons to include it in a category. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

New On Wikipedia

Hello,

I am Jassen Japheth Gaddiun. I am new to wikipedia and was frustrated when my article was rejected. I am new on wikipedia and will really need help. Please

Thank you. Jayofpedia (talk) 09:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Please do not ask the same question in multiple locations, this duplicates effort. Please see my reply at the AFC help desk. 331dot (talk) 10:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I sincerely appreciate. Jayofpedia (talk) 10:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Need help to publish a page

Hi,

Need help to publish a page, which has been declined earlier. Lam Hasan (talk) 10:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Lam Hasan Hello and welcome. I assume this is about Draft:Syed Waliullah Farrukhabadi. What help are you seeking? 331dot (talk) 10:26, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Please help. Thank you. Lam Hasan (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

My page has been declined, although I have provided citations. Syed Mufti Waliullah Farrukhabadi (died 1833) was a renowned author, thinker, physician and educationalist of his time. British historian William Irvine has written about him, and I have added a few recent newspaper articles that highlight his works. Lam Hasan (talk) 10:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

How do I publish a page? Lam Hasan (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lam Hasan, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many new editors, in immediately trying to create a new article, you are in the position of somebody who takes up a new sport and immediately enters a public competition, or who starts learning a new musical instrument and immediately gives a public recital. Not only are you unlikely to be successful, but you probably won't be able to understand the feedback you get.

I urge you, (as I advise all new editors) to put aside your draft for a few weeks or months, and learn how Wikipedia works by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles - and, particularly, learning about referencing, neutral point of view, and reliable sources.

I have not looked closely at your draft, but I see that most of your references do not give the essential bibliographic information (title, author, publisher, date) that assists any reviewer in evaluating the likely reliability and indepedence of the source. ColinFine (talk) 11:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Colin. I appreciate your point of view.

I want to do exactly what you have suggested, but I am unable to. I was banned for 2 months earlier, and when I logged in today (after nearly 3 months), there hasn't been much headway.

Meanwhile, while I can wait to be a pro and wait for that grand performance, I notice citations in the article which I hadn't added. The references seem of another man by the same first name.

Thank you all the same. 122.161.68.76 (talk) 12:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

You are editing whilst blocked which is not allowed, please appeal your block at User talk:Mrjoegoldberg first. Theroadislong (talk) 12:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I was blocked the day I made the page for perhaps reworking it a couple of times. I am not blocked anymore. Lam Hasan (talk) 12:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Note: now blocked as a sock. --ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Additional note: while the draft article under discussion here was G5ed, the subject is probably notable, and often named in English language sources as "S.M. Walī Allāh b. Aḥmad ʿAlī Farruk̲h̲ābādī" (more or less), with vital dates 1751/2–1833/4, if anyone feels like looking for sources. Folly Mox (talk) 16:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Translating images

Hello! I recently saw an image on LVwiki, that was somehow translated into latvian, while the OG image was in english. Anyone know how to do that? Gatesby1 (talk) 11:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC) Gatesby

Which image on lv:Wikipedia, Gatesby1? Please give its name, after a colon, like this. -- Hoary (talk) 11:34, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I won't be able to find the name since I saw the image some time ago and I do not remember the name of the article/image. All I remember is that when I clicked on it, it gave me the english version of the file. Gatesby1 (talk) 11:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Gatesby1: I don't know their practices but one possibility is that they uploaded a Latvian version of the image but linked the display to the English version with |link= at Help:Pictures#Links. There are also ways to display text on top of an image like {{Annotated image}} but then the original image would probably have no text. The existence and functionality of such templates vary between Wikipedia languages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:57, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Isn't it also possible to have SVG images with text in multiple languages, so that it automagically displays the correct one based on the wiki it's shown on (or maybe based on browser preferences)? --rchard2scout (talk) 17:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know that feature but found commons:Category:Translation possible - SVG (switch). PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

General question

If i contribute to a page that has been deleted once in the past. So will there be any problem with this? Thanks!! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 13:55, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman, hello! Nobody will punish you for contributing. There might be problems when you create a page, but not when you just contribute to an existing page. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 14:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Deltaspace42, Actually i am new here. So please forgive me. Even if I ask some nonsense questions. I really liked your way of explaining. thank you so much. keep going... Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 14:21, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Citations with authors with middle names

When citing a work where the author has one or more middle names, should the middle name be put in the last name or the first name parameter, or outright ignored? Examples:

Last name param: Mackenzie, William Lyon, Title; OR Mackenzie, W. L., Title

First name param: Lyon Mackenzie, William, Title; OR Lyon Mackenzie, W., Title

Ignored: Mackenzie, William, Title; OR Mackenzie, W., Title

Which is correct? Cremastra (talk) 17:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Cremastra: Hello! I usually put the middlename along with the first name, but you also can do |author= instead of |last=, |first= Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 17:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks; I also usually put it in with the first name. Forgot about the author param. Cremastra (talk) 17:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

It depends on whether his surname is "Mackenzie" or "Lyon Mackenzie". Both are possible, in general. But looking at the article, it seems clear that this particular man's surname was "Mackenzie", so he should appear as "Mackenzie, William Lyon". ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Since we have some "usually"s and a "wrong venue", seconding ColinFine just above that the general case is unanswerable. It will always depend on what the "middle" name connotes for the individual in question. For most individuals of Anglospheric cultural extraction, the "middle" name is a second bit of the personal name. Not so everywhere, and WP:SUR has got guidance about it, including the fun exception (paraphrasing) "if not covered here, check this". Folly Mox (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, but experienced editors usually post at the Help Desk Mach61 (talk) 17:57, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

It's easier when people put hyphens in their own names, so A-B C has first=A-B and A B-C has last=B-C. That used to be common practise for UK surnames but I see it less these days. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Removing article from a list of articles needing translation

Years ago now I expanded an article (ainu cuisine) because it was on a list of articles needing content translated from the Japanese page (list here). As far as I understand, I should've just been able to remove the tag and it would eventually be removed from that list (other lists work this way, and that's what the instructions imply). But...it's been years and it's still there.

Am I doing something wrong? Erynamrod (talk) 19:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Erynamrod: The article was manually placed into the cleanup category, which I have removed. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! That...does seem like the obvious explanation. Erynamrod (talk) 20:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

publicar una pagina biografica muy sencilla

similar a esta, pero de otro sacerdote.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Arellano_Roa

Con una referencia a su blog, el cual es de acceso publico y gratuito, adonde el padre ha publicado desinteresadamente decenas de libros, para ayudar a quienes no tienen dinero para comprarlos "en fisico"

por favor ayúdenme, tengo datos, fotos,y el enlace al blog

gracias por adelantado

Luisgilbertosantander (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

¡Hola Luisgilbertosantander, bienvenido a Wikipedia! Si bien todos los esfuerzos para mejorar la Wikipedia son bien recibidos, desdichadamente su nivel de inglés no parece idóneo para hacer contribuciones de utilidad, o las contribuciones no estan escritas en inglés. ¿Sabía que existe una Wikipedia en español? Quizás prefiera contribuir ahí. De cualquiera forma, reciba la más cordial bienvenida a Wikipedia y nuestro agradecimiento por esforzarse. Si necesita ayuda, puede notificármelo en mi página de discusión. 331dot (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

We cannot help you with issues on the Spanish Wikipedia. You will need to talk about your issue there. 331dot (talk) 20:04, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Different Wikitext editors

Hi, in my Wikipedia preferences page, I noticed there was an option to switch between different Wikitext editors. When I look at my contribution log, I see tags like "2017 Wikitext editor" or "Visual edit." I like the way the 2017 Wikitext editor looks compared to the default, but I don't want those tags to crowd up my edits. Is there a way to get around this, or a way to configure a different Wikitext editor? I'm open to trying new editors, I just don't know where to find or configure them/their syntax highlighting. Pauliesnug (talk) 20:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps this is an XY problem version of "How do I hide tags in my watchlist or contributions list?". I do not see a preference for that, but I agree it could be a generally useful one. DMacks (talk) 20:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah yeah sorry this wasn't the best of questions. I suppose I was wondering if there were other options for Wikitext editors, and if there is a method to disable that tag. Pauliesnug (talk) 20:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Cryptic quickly responded to my WP:VP/T#Hide tags in watchlist and contributions general question about hiding tags:

.mw-tag-markers { display: none; } in your CSS should do it. (I haven't looked very hard for side effects. You don't mind them going away on diffs and so on, too?) —Cryptic 21:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I don't mind, thank you so much! Pauliesnug (talk) 01:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I did some more testing and realised that this solution removes all tags from everyone, and only on my pages. I added a comment on your technical question to Cryptic clarifying. Thank you for the help Pauliesnug (talk) 01:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm just the messenger here, don't know much about WP's css or the various editors. DMacks (talk) 22:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

There's a couple different ways to read this question. If you don't want to see any tags at all - which is what DMacks's post on WP:VPT implied - then the css above will do it. If you just want to hide that specific tag, you'd use .mw-tag-marker-visualeditor-wikitext { display: none; } instead, though you'll still see an empty "(Tags: )" if there aren't any other tags attached to an edit. (JavaScript can get around that, but it's harder, and it'll usually briefly display anyway before vanishing and maybe irritatingly moving the surrounding text around.) If you want to hide either all tags or this specific tag for only your edits, this can be done in the Watchlist and your own contributions list with pure css; doing it in all pages would again need JavaScript with the same drawbacks. If you're asking if there's a way to use the 2017 Wikitext editor without having the tags appear to other users, the answer is no. —Cryptic 22:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Haha thank you so much! I didn't see this reply when I sent the reply to you on the other thread. Sorry for the miscommunication. I do want the final solution that you mentioned, with both JavaScript caveats. The FOUC is definitely annoying, and I don't think that injecting JavaScript to remove a tag on only my contributions for every single page with one of my contributions is advisable or feasible. I wonder if contacting MediaWiki to add an option to disable this would be easier? Pauliesnug (talk) 01:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

new entry

Thanks. yes I can speak english, very well, so please, help me with my question

I just want to make a new publication (a biography) similar to this one:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Arellano_Roa

with my picture, and a link to my blogger page. I just need an example to make it... or maybe some friend can help me to do that. It will be updated only two or three times a year.

In this blog (in spanish) I published all my books for free, to help people that cannot buy the "physical" book, or cannot find some (most then are sold out)

Thanks in advance !

Luisgilbertosantander (talk) 20:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Luisgilbertosantander: Welcome to the Teahouse. I do not know what the policies are over at the Spanish Wikipedia, but the English Wikipedia isn't to be used for self-promotion, as it goes against policy. Perhaps you might want to try social media instead? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Are you saying you want to write about yourself? That is not forbidden, but it is discouraged, please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia wants to know what independent reliable sources say about you, not what you say about yourself, and only if you meet the criteria for an article. 331dot (talk) 20:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@331dot, I think it is pretty much forbidden: Editing a biography about yourself is acceptable only if you are removing unambiguous vandalism or clear-cut and serious violations of our biography of living persons policy. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 20:55, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Deltaspace42, editing (or of course creating) an article about oneself is pretty much forbidden (aside from the exceptions you've noted); if a COI statement is made, creating (or of course editing) a draft about oneself is unenthusiastically permitted. -- Hoary (talk) 22:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary, OK, thank you for clarification! Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 22:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Luisgilbertosantander Your saying that the article will be edited only two or three times a year strongly suggests that you don't grasp what Wikipedia is all about. If you do succeed in creating an article that is accepted for Wikipedia, you won't own it, so you'll have zero control over how often it's edited (beyond how often you edit it yourself). So let's say, Monday, you create the article; Tuesday, I come in and edit it (which I have as much right to do as anybody); Wednesday, someone else comes in and edits it; Thursday, you decide you don't like those new edits, so you edit it back; Friday, someone else comes and essentially rewrites the whole thing. That's already more than "two or three times," and it's only been a week. My guess is, you're figuring on updating "your" article now and then with news. Since it's likely that your updates here will be publishing that "news" for the first time here, those updates (assuming anybody's paying attention to the article) will likely be edited (i.e., removed) pretty quickly. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Seeking Guidance for Wikipedia Edit on New Lynn Coalition

Need help Draft:New Lynn Coalition

Dear Respected Senior Wikipedia Reviewers, I hope this message finds you well. As a new user, I am reaching out for guidance on my first Wikipedia edit, specifically related to creating a page for the New Lynn Coalition. Given that the group is locally based in Lynn, MA, the majority of its references come from local TV and newspapers, and the group's founder is already present on Wikipedia. Initially, my submission was denied due to the inclusion of references from various local sources, which were deemed insufficient. Following this feedback, I removed eight reference links, only to face another denial on the grounds that the information provided did not sufficiently showcase the group. I have attached the link to the organization here Draft:New Lynn Coalition , and I am seeking your expertise in reviewing the third-party media links when you have the opportunity. Your guidance on which references are appropriate according to Wikipedia standards would immensely help me in refining this edit and for future contributions. I am eager to learn and contribute positively to Wikipedia, and your assistance will not only aid in this particular edit but also encourage my continued support for the platform. Thank you very much for your time and consideration. 100.0.214.124 (talk) 21:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I'm wondering if you are affiliated with this organization- if so, please read about conflict of interest.

The sources you have provided do not have significant coverage of the subject. Any article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. An article should not merely tell of the existence of the organization and what it does, there must be discussion as to what independent sources see as important/significant/influential about it- not what it considers to be important about itself. 331dot (talk) 21:28, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I am not a reviewer, but it may be that it is too soon for an article about the New Lynn Coalition. Perhaps you could add referenced information about it to the Lynn, Massachusetts article, and then when you’ve found more reliable references about the coalition, and the improvements it has made to Lynn, you can write and submit another draft article. The reviewer left you the link WP:NORG, which explains the notability requirements for having an article about an organization and, unfortunately, unless those requirements have been meant, your article cannot be accepted. That doesn’t mean the New Lynn Coalition is not a good and important organization, it just doesn’t meet the Wikipedia article requirements. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

im not affiliated with the organization . Thank you for the suggestions . I will research more. Thank you 100.0.214.124 (talk) 22:16, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Reviewers are not looking for consensus

Moved from User talk:XLinkBot § Reviewers are not looking for consensus

 – — Newslinger talk 22:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, I recently published an article. The article was originally called Ineffective altruism. I then nominated the article for peer review, and two reviewers came in, who put my article back into draft space by highlighting a number of Wikipedia policies that I supposedly did not abide by. I felt like most of their comments were unjustified, however, at times they were very well justified and I was happy that they even raised their concerns. Each time, I propose concrete solutions and ways forward that reach a degree of middle-ground. Each time, they shoot my solutions down and refrain from reaching a consensus. At one particular point, one of them even attacked my field by saying Please, let's not follow the annoying habit of many social psychologists of stating grandiose conclusions based on trivial experiments. They are the laughingstock of philosophers of science., which I find very offensive, given that I am a researcher in the field of social psychology. Could you intervene and please help me out? I feel like I am fighting an unjustified battle. The talk page is Draft talk:Barriers to effective altruism. Thank you so much. Glenwspiteri (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I think the specific point in the banner on the draft about sums the issue up. Wikipedia is not a place for informative essays or original research—even if it's really good—it is an encyclopedia, a tertiary source that presents a synthetic description of a noted phenomenon without making synthetic claims. While often supported with data, many of the claims in your draft seem to be your own and not attributed to any independent experts, which makes them original research that cannot be independently verified.
An article about this topic would synthesize multiple notable essays or articles specifically about said topic, attributing different viewpoints when required. Remsense留 22:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I think that right now, you can save your revision of the article on a separate site such as Google Docs, and remove the original research from the draft. You could present your data to another organization that accepts original research, and if they do accept the data and publish it in a reliable source, you may be able to cite that source, but please note that just one major source is not fitting for even C-class articles. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 22:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Renaming an article name to a neutral form

Hi there, I tried to rename the article "2024 North Macedonian parliamentary election" to "North Macedonia's 2024 parliamentary election", using the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia) that states: Article names, categories, and templates should avoid adjectival use altogether. The use of neutral formulations such as "of North Macedonia", "in North Macedonia," etc. is preferred. But the action was not completed, because the edit triggered an automated filter for anti-vandalism. I was suggested to ask a more experienced editor here to help me perform that move. MkEditor12 (talk) 22:57, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@MkEditor12, hello! I've just taken a look at filter logs. It says Filter description: Pagemove throttle for new users. And since you're new and started moving many pages, the filter was triggered. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 23:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

If you look at any other election article of any other polity (2021 Canadian federal election for example), you will find it uses that form. It's fair to potentially be confused based on reading that specific policy, but I am not adequately versed in the matter to discern whether this point of contention should override general policy. It'd be significant if so. Remsense留 23:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense, @MkEditor12, looking at other election articles, it seems that they all put the year first. I think the consistency in naming elections is more important here, thus the page moves were completely unnecessary. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 23:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I would've certainly started a discussion somewhere to investigate whether the moves were worthwhile first, but I am not aware of the depth of this issue so I'm abstaining a bit here. Remsense留 23:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense, just looking at some category related to North Macedonia:

• 1998 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2002 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2006 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2008 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2011 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2014 Macedonian general election
• 2016 Macedonian parliamentary election

And then in the corner:

• North Macedonia's 2020 parliamentary election

Because @MkEditor12 just moved the page. Yeah, it is completely unnecessary, I think they need to be moved back. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 23:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I would agree, yes. Remsense留 23:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@MkEditor12: I strongly advise you to stop moving articles, until you have a better understanding of wikipedia and until you have consensus for your proposed moves. "North Macedonia's 2024 parliamentary election" is not a page title that would ever be used on wikipedia; WP really does not do possessives, in my experience. "2024 North Macedonian parliamentary election" seems perfectly acceptable, but were it to be changed, it would be more in the direction of "2024 parliamentary election in North Macedonia". --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I've undone MkEditor12's two successful pagemoves (prior to their hitting the throttle-limit). Indeed this change of a whole suite of currently self-consistent articles should be discussed centrally with some relevant wikiproject. DMacks (talk) 23:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@MkEditor12, I've looked a bit, and you may want to discuss your move either on the talk page of the article above, or perhaps in WikiProject North Macedonia (semi-active but perhaps worthwhile), WikiProject International relations, or maybe WikiProject Elections and Referendums. Remsense留 23:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Because it is not just one article alone, or one article out-of-sync with closely-related ones, it needs a broader discussion than just on the article's own talkpage. Following Remsense's wikiproject recommendations, I easily found the WP:NC-ELECT standard:

For individual elections and referendums, use the format "[date] [country name or adjectival form] [type] election/referendum".

So this is a much stronger and broader consensus than just one article, or North Macedonia locally, etc. The only issue is what "country name or adjectival form" is best in this geopolitical area. DMacks (talk) 23:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

DMacks, aye. I assumed that the discussion would naturally get kicked to where it needed to be if it was started on a single talk page, at least. Remsense留 23:34, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense, @DMacks, @Deltaspace42, @Tagishsimon, I've read all your comments and i can agree of everything here said. But i have to add something why I did the name changes of the articles. There was a discussion on one of the articles about using the adjective North Macedonian (Talk:2024 North Macedonian parliamentary election). As the adjective North Macedonian shouldn't be used according to the Prespa agreement. An other user said that WP doesn't follow the Prespa agreement, which is partially true as there is a Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia) that is a guideline on how to refer to the various geographical and political entities called "Macedonia" and the use of the adjective "Macedonian" (and even the user continuously used the adjective North Macedonian in the discussion). I was waiting one week for someone to have a discussion with me but no one continued it. Yes, "2024 parliamentary election in North Macedonia" would have been a much better name than the possessive form North Macedonia's (that's my bad). All the related categories have the adjective "Macedonian" in them as it was pointed out:

• 1998 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2002 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2006 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2008 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2011 Macedonian parliamentary election
• 2014 Macedonian general election

So why should all the other articles have the adjective "North Macedonian"? In some time in the past the article was moved to "2024 Macedonian parliamentary elections" (you can see the history) but it was reverted to the prior name. The adjective "North Macedonian" is offensive for the Macedonian people (The name of the country is just changed), so that's why i tried to change it to a more neutral form (even though the adjective "Macedonian" is the most correct one to use, some people have a problem with it for some reason). Yeah I should have asked here about your opinions firstly and I apologize about that. MkEditor12 (talk) 12:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

This is, unsurprisingly, a complete misrepresentation of the matter. There was an RfC a while ago in which there was consensus to use "North Macedonian" for government-related matters (which IMO includes elections) where the same adjectival form is used for other countries (which is the case for election articles). It is also worth remembering that disruption in this topic area (such as making multiple page moves without consensus after being advised not to) can result in a block or topic ban from an uninvolved admin. Number 57 13:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

How to edit?

Im trying to edit people but is there some thing I am missing to keep my edit from being deleted? 2603:8001:A100:18C7:55B:8599:B42:6678 (talk) 00:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

You are adding a nonsense sentence which looks like vandalism. You have been warned against doing this. I expect you'll be blocked if you continue. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:09, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

RPG?

First, comment below with the name of the adventurer. 170.55.186.37 (talk) 01:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC) (RPG Host)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, neither this page nor Wikipedia as a whole is the right place for a role-playing game. This is an encyclopedia, not a place for casual socialization and games. Bsoyka (talk) 01:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

C-class

Hello, I was just wondering where I could request that my article on Perothopinae could be promoted to C-class, or maybe even B-class? Based on the criteria that I've read, I think the article is okay for B-class. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 01:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Memer15151, hello and welcome to the teahouse. Personally I think the class-rating is not that important: it is usually not displayed to the reader, and there is quite a bit of grey area between different classes. Criteria of WP:Good articles and WP:Featured articles are more clearly defined and objectively enforced. If you wish to do more on Perothopinae, feel free to aim for GA level. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 02:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Memer15151, in my opinion, you have done a very good job and this is one of the best articles on a lesser known insect species that I have ever seen. I have upgraded it to B, and encourage you to take it to a Good article review. Cullen328 (talk) 02:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! You made my day. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 02:39, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Memer15151. I was adding my reply while Cullen323 was adding his; so, it seems this has been resolved now. For reference, though, WP:ASSESSMENT ratings (outside of WP:FA and WP:GA) aren't really official ratings per se; for sure, they're based on certain criteria, but basically their assigned by users such as you and me without under going through a formal review process. So, if you feel the article meets the B-class criteria, you can "promote" it yourself; if someone disagrees, they can "demote" it back to where it was. However, since you describe the article as my article it might be better to let someone else promote it instead to avoid any appearance of bias. You can try asking about the article at the WikiProjects whose scope it falls under and explain why you think it meets the "B-class" criteria. Someone may see your post, agree with your assessment, and promote the article. Similarly, someone may see your post, disagree with your assessment and explain why. You could also seek a WP:PEERREVIEW as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware of peer reviews, and I was thinking about it, but I currently have an active peer review for Combat of Goldberg, and based on what I remember, you can only submit one at a time. Thanks for the help! UserMemer (chat) Tribs 02:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

fwiw, @Memer15151:, whereas Wikipedia:Peer review seems to be a general 'how could this article be improved' forum which may well have a one article per person per time period restriction, there are other forums for article review. I think the suggestion being made in this thread is that you consider nominating Perothopinae for Wikipedia:Good articles review ... GA being the next higher quality rating for articles above the B-class which is now sported by the article. Having an article in peer review does not prevent you nominating an article for GA. (And after that, you could consider either an A-class review or a featured Article review. Or you could do none of these things :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi again! Yes, I nominated it for a GA. It would be cool to see it become one of the 7 beetle GAs, considering there are hundreds of thousands of beetles.

Kind regards, UserMemer (chat) Tribs 12:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

More images would be nice. In nature. larvae. Eggs. Wings open? And curious, could you provide links to a few of the beetle GAs? David notMD (talk) 19:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to say that the image I added is the only one I found licensed under CC-BY, CC0 or CC-BY-SA. Examples of GA-class beetle articles include Colorado potato beetle, Emerald ash borer and Tansy beetle. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 19:08, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

How do í add a link?

Í want to know how to add links to the stuff í add to pages. For example, if í mentioned oranges, í would want to link the word to the page about oranges. 136.33.235.64 (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

You appear to be using the source editor, so you should put the text in double brackets: [[like this]]. If you need to link to a page that's different than the text itself, put the page name before a pipe, so [[orange (fruit)|orange]]s would make sure you don't link to the disambiguation page because one might be talking about the fruit or the color, etc.

However, keeping in mind you were just giving an example: you do not want to overlink. Almost no article on the site would require a link to a very common object such as an orange. Remsense留 02:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Also: if you'd like to experiment and get comfortable with editing, you should use the Sandbox, or register an account so you can use your own private Sandbox. Remsense留 02:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Biased view on historical topics

I have seen many people have added their perception of history and they are not objective on Wikipedia. They have quoted only the biased or marxist historians perspective and not others.

This goes against the basic tenets of producing information for all. Abhimanyu200 (talk) 06:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I have noticed that most people who raise concerns as you have, are objecting to points of view they do not share, and are not raising good-faith concerns about lack of objectivity.

Should you wish to illustrate your general complaint with specific examples, we can investigate and respond. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

(ec) It is difficult to respond to a general complaint. If there is a specific grievance that you have with an article, you should raise it on that article's talk page. If you have independent reliable sources about a topic that are missing from an article, please offer them and content you feel is missing. Wikipedia does not claim to be "objective" or unbiased, as all sources have biases- sources are presented to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves when determining what to believe.

As Tagishsimon notes, mere disagreement with the points of view offered is not the same as a lack of objectivity. 331dot (talk) 06:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Can I include in Donald Trump and Joe Biden's Wiki?

Biden’s economy vs. Trump’s, in 12 charts[2] from Washington Post. I want to anlyse the idea given by them.

Brandflock (talk) 08:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

It's unlikely to be a good idea. Commentators opinions on the US economy probably have little to do with biographies of the two individuals. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Brandflock, discussions of the economic performances during the two most recent administrations are better suited to Presidency of Donald Trump and Presidency of Joe Biden. The article you linked to is probably not the best source, since it is a high level overview based on discussing charts and graphs. I think that using more analytical pieces that quote a range of prominent economists would be a better approach. That's my opinion, at least. Cullen328 (talk) 08:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

So you don't think that Washington Post crticsed them and it will create bad impact to the world? Brandflock (talk) 08:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

This has little or nothing to do with wikipedia. No, today's washington post opinion is tomorrow's chip wrapper. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:43, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I can see millions of Wikipedia articles which criticised wiki's. I am thinking because noone noticed it and I am not political wikipedia editor, I relate myself with business and economics here so please check the reference I given as link. Brandflock (talk) 09:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

It is one of tens of thousands of articles on economics loosely related to politics. It does not move the dial. It has little or no significance. It is unlikely you will be able to make the encyclopedia better by doing anything as a result of the article. Please take the advice being given to you and drop this idea. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

World recieved conflicts because of economics and its significant topic as I can see and it will remark Wikipedia more in the world so people should get aware of the drama behind business and economics. Brandflock (talk) 09:58, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

But it would need to be written up in WP by someone with competence. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

It got covered by an experienced media executive so I came here to take solution that can be in wiki or you all be disagree and if you all are not able to help me then why you should be agree on me. Brandflock (talk) 12:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

stop. ltbdl (talk) 16:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Brandflock indef'ed. We're done here. DMacks (talk) 22:08, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, my coworkers!

_ СтасС (talk) 09:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Nadolig llawen i bawb'r Wicipedia x doktorb _words^deeds 09:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and All of you as well Brandflock (talk) 12:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Accused of sockpuppetting in bad faith

Need assistance. I am accused of being a sockpuppet (see User talk:BlueMoonset#Current GAN on Penang) when I had zero idea of that previous user who did the sockpuppeting. How is this good faith and is there any action I can take against that? hundenvonPG (talk) 11:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@HundenvonPenang: Hello! If you are not sockpuppet, then you don't need to worry. There are sockpuppet investigations, which are taken very seriously, and I don't think someone will ban you based just on this accusation by random IP address. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 11:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Deltaspace42:. Might be just trolling, but latest update: there is another IP address joining the fray in BlueMoonset's talk page. Both look like South Korea-based addresses. I'm calling it in: reporting to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. hundenvonPG (talk) 16:09, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Scratch that. It's been mediated. Merry Christmas too. hundenvonPG (talk) 16:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Help with article

Hi there I recently submitted an article about J Merlin (music producer) and it got rejected due to not having reliable sources even though I did added reliable sources such as press etc however I think the moderator who rejected it may see them as passing mentions instead of significant coverage. I need help with this article, what is really considered a reliable source for a musician?Christoffheaney (talk) 14:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Christoffheaney: Hello! I've just taken a look at the draft and in references I think only this source might be considered reliable and with significant coverage. You need to find more sources like these (like news). To check if the source is really reliable, use Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 15:08, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you I will find sources with similar coverage Christoffheaney (talk) 15:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Christoffheaney, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are three separate criteria for a source to be useful for establishing notability - unfortunately the standard decline notice only mentions "reliability".

The three are that the source be reliable (see WP:RSN), that it be independet of the subject, and that it contain significant coverage of the subject.

You need to evaluate each of your sources against these three criteria. If they are not reliable, or mere mentions, remove them. If they are to selling sites like apple music, they are sales links masquerading as citations, and should always be removed. If they are not independent, it may be possible to cite certain information from them (see primary sources) but they will not contribute to establishing that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the advice I will remove the links to Apple Music in the reference section. Christoffheaney (talk) 15:39, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Grupo Firme rewrite

So I'm on a mini-quest of rewriting articles for popular regional Mexican artists, and right now I'm focusing on Grupo Firme (because they're currently the talk of the internet). Some problems I've hit:

• The band was not as popular when they first started out (like most bands often are), but especially since they're not an English-language band, essentially no information exists about their early releases.
• Many of their more recent hits that have been streaming and chart successes ("El Amor de Su Vida", "Ya Supérame", "El Tóxico", "Calidad", "Qué Onda Perdida", etc) still have little coverage, aside from when their music video released or their chart performance. This includes Spanish-language news outlets.
• Much of the information I've managed to find on them is very contradictory (e. g. one source says that their original name was one thing, while this other source says it was another).

I've encountered similar problems with other artists (Banda MS, Calibre 50, etc) when I tried to rewrite their articles. I was able to rewrite the article for Christian Nodal, and even got it recognized as a GA, so these sort of artists often //do// have a lot of information about them. I just don't know where to dig or how hard I should dig.

Anyways, that's about it. I'd like replies to be specific to VisualEditor.

– Dontuseurrealname (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Dontuseurrealname: Hello! If you looked for sources and couldn't find anything useful, then you may consider nominating an article for AfD, as the subject with little sources probably doesn't meet notability criteria. Not every article needs to be on Wikipedia. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 16:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

The problem is mainly with early information, and generally all of their albums, which never got much notoriety anyways. They're mainly popular for their singles. My main problems are with trying to find a cohesive, non-contradictory narrative and some more coverage on their popular releases.

– Dontuseurrealname (talk) 16:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Dontuseurrealname: Welcome to the Teahouse. Don't forget that if they're reliable, non-English sources may also be used (albeit less preferred than English ones). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dontuseurrealname. If there is enough material on them to establish notability, but little indepedendent material on their early career, then the article should simply not try to cover their early career. If the sources you can find are all unreliable, then no information from them should be in the article. ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Query about coding language

What coding language does source editing use? Adityaverma8998 (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Adityaverma8998: Hello! See Help:Wikitext. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 17:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your help but I have another question, which is that if any article uses complex language and jargon the can I use ChatGPT or Bard to make it more simple to understand and replace the complex language of the article to simple language to make it comprehensible to a wider audience? Adityaverma8998 (talk) 18:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Adityaverma8998: It depends on the subject of the article. If it is something niche, for example, something related to category theory, then I don't think it is a good idea to simplify existing text. Also, check out https://simple.wikipedia.org Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 18:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

In addition, be wary of using AI to make edits to Wikipedia. In general, human edits are preferred and AI edits have some issues, both in accuracy and in copyright status. I'd recommend using AI to help you (like brainstorming) but not to generate actual article text. This legal note from the Wikimedia Foundation elaborates a bit: m:Wikilegal/Copyright Analysis of ChatGPT. Bsoyka (talk) 18:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Adityaverma8998: Absolutely not. Do not use the output of ChatGPT as an input for Wikipedia. Fullstop. See Wikipedia:Large language models. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. I am not saying that AI can be used as input in wiki articles. The question was can complex sentences by simplified using AI because a simpler version would be comprehesible to wider audience.

Picking up info or data from AI is obviously not a good idea. Adityaverma8998 (talk) 20:48, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Adityaverma8998 However you phrase the question the answer remains the same. No. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

How are you going to replace complex sentences with simple sentences generated by ChatGPT if those simple sentences are not an input to Wikipedia? Look, Adityaverma8998, I'm not up for playing with words. I'm not misunderstanding you. You want to remove human-written sentences and replace them with ChatGPT-written sentences, because you believe for some reason that there are complex sentences which readers do not understand, which could be simplified so that readers do understand them. It may or it may not be that there are complex sentences which could be simplified. It may or may not be that ChatGPT could achieve the simplification. The jury must be out on both of those two speculations. But the guideline answer is still no; use of ChatGPT on WP is not welcome. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

At this point my request is close to being a moot point, but anyway: Adding references to examples of such texts might have been an idea... Autokefal Dialytiker (talk) 21:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Such simplifications may be more appropriate in the Simple English Wikipedia.

In this 'Main' English Wikipedia, the level of language complexity is, I believe, ideally intended to be suitable for a University undergraduate not studying the topic in question (although I can't now find where I read that). See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style, Sections 15 and 16, and Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_manual,_guidebook,_textbook,_or_scientific_journal, Point 7.

Wikipedia currently contains a good deal of over-complex language, usually in articles written by experts in their applicable field, and certainly this should be clarified, but preferably by a fluent native/competent English speaker/writer capable of doing so without distorting the text's meaning or introducing falsifications – so far AI applications have not demonstrated the ability to do this. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.111.170 (talk) 00:56, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Archive my talk page

Can someone help me place what's on my talk page in the archive. Everytime I try to do it I make a horrible hash of it. TIA MaskedSinger (talk) 19:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I just added the boilerplate to automate archiving on your talkpage. Hopefully within a day or so it will trigger for you. It's a little annoying that the standard user-talk header, the auto-archiver, and the archives-list are three separate templates that also interact with each other sometimes. DMacks (talk) 20:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much!! MaskedSinger (talk) 05:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Trying to add withdrawal info of a train from a UK train operator

I'm trying to figure out how to add information that Nova 3 trains have been withdrawn from TransPennine Express service as off the December 2023 timetable on this Article. The issue I'm having is that the only sources about the withdrawal are from before the withdrawal took place so any edits keep being reverted due to lack of recent sources. The only other evidence is that the trains have been removed from the TransPennine website, have not been visibly recorded (that I can find) on any services since the timetable change and do not show up on any services on RealTimeTrains. I was wondering if I was to email TransPennine directly and get a direct quote that the trains have infact been withdrawn (as announced in August) by email, if there would be a way to cite that and if that would be a valid source for wikipedia?

Thanks in advance

@Alexbrassington Alexbrassington (talk) 20:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Alexbrassington: Welcome to the Teahouse! Email correspondence from the company would not count as a verifiable published source. I suggest posting at Talk:TransPennine Express do see if other editors could help you find sources. GoingBatty (talk) 20:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

References such as this would be fine. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Myself and others have already tried to use the articles from September and August as sources but each time the edits have been reverted due to no source of withdrawal, just an announcement from the past that they would be Alexbrassington (talk) 20:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

So sounds like it would have to be a case of trying to get the company to publish an article or press release confirming that the trains have been withdrawn? I don't see how this would be different to them confirming by email but I understand that it's hard to prove that an email is genuine so I suspected that would be the answer. Surely though, if they said in August that the trains would be withdrawn and have said nothing since then the assumption should be that they didn't change their mind rather than assuming that they did? Alexbrassington (talk) 20:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps @Danners430: could explain why they are accepting forward-looking statements in citations 28 & 29 such as this supporting the assertion that TPE will be using a rolling stock in the future, but not supporting forward-looking statements that TPE will not be using the rolling stock in the future. It seems like very unhelpful WP:POINTY editing to use two different standards. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

The difference is that that’s a published image in a rail magazine showing a locomotive that has already been liveried - it’s not a statement for example from TPE saying “we will apply this livery”, it’s already been applied. When it comes to the withdrawal, no source that I’ve found states that the plans to withdraw actually have gone ahead - how often have we seen plans to withdraw stock being announced, then being pushed back quietly? Example being GWR’s Castle HSTs. Of course, you and I know this isn’t the case - but it’s not WP:VERIFIABLE.

I might also add that the above source was likely added before I was regularly active, so I can’t really comment on whether it should’ve been used - I haven’t retrospectively looked at sourced in most cases. Danners430 (talk) 20:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Both references are of the same type, in that they both make forward-looking statements. If your head is turned by one having an image, I have a bridge to sell you. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

It seems to me to be completely appropriate for the article to say that the company announced on such and such a date that they will start or stop using particular stock. But in the absence of a reliable report that they have done so, the article should not say anything further. A picture in a reliable source with an appropriate caption would be adequate for this, but not a picture on a random website. ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

This has been my view, and in the absence of any other consensus what has been written in the article. Danners430 (talk) 21:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I've amended the page per https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travelling-with-us/the-nova-fleets ... we are entitled per WP:PRIMARY to rely on TPE to define what its current trainsets are. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Alexbrassington, the best place to discuss this is Talk:TransPennine Express. Please ping the editors who objected. Cullen328 (talk) 21:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I hadn’t spotted that TPE had updated their site - that definitely counts as a source! Danners430 (talk) 08:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

do examples need citations?

So i am wondering if examples require citations like if i said that a example of a emergency was a house fire would i have to cite somewhere that said that? 50tr5 (talk) 22:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

It's a bit silly, 50tr5, to provide a reference for an assertion familiar to most people and questioned by almost none. I don't suppose you're really asking about that example. Which examples of what are you actually asking about? (Just reveal one or two examples of the examples.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:SKYISBLUE. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.111.170 (talk) 01:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Creating a soccer national team page

Hi there,

I'm trying to create my first national soccer team page and I'm having issues. When I click on publish the players, results and references mess up and move to the side (looks okay when I click edit). Can anyone assist with this issue?

This is the page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AMcwamcwa%2FSouth_Africa_national_under-15_soccer_team&wvprov=sticky-header Mcwamcwa (talk) 22:48, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mcwamcwa,

I saw the article, good work!

It seems to me that all of the stats are in one of the boxes on the table. Try separating all of the boxes out.

Happy editing! Geardona (talk) 22:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! Mcwamcwa (talk) 23:02, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

The problem seems to the player box. I tried adding spaces in between and everytime I do they get removed and the template sticks to it's default setting. Mcwamcwa (talk) 23:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, let me try to fix it, I will try to keep the info intact but may need to use placeholders. Geardona (talk) 23:08, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I fixed it, the issue was in the source editor, the templates needed space. Geardona (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Mcwamcwa (talk) 23:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mcwamcwa: I can understand if you are confused. You used VisualEditor which sometimes render differently than the saved page. The "Show preview" button in the source editor shows how the page will really look if it's saved. The end of Help:VisualEditor#Getting started: the VisualEditor toolbar mentions "The Switch editor button" you could use. Some things are also easier to do in the source editor, and some are simply impossible in VisualEditor. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll try source editor next time. Mcwamcwa (talk) 23:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

requests for [insert word beginning with c here]

how does starting an rfc work? do you just use the template in any given article's talk page and ask about whatever it is that might require more people's opinions? cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 00:50, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

RFC's are a part of dispute resolution, intended for users who have a content disagreement with each other.(read this) for more.

If you do feel a RFC is necessary these are the steps to create one, there is a template in the article I have linked.

Hope this helps,

Geardona (talk) 00:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

so it's just adding the template, putting fitting words under it, and not using it for small scale squabbles between two people, because that's what third opinions are for

thanks cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 01:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

That is correct (to my knowledge). Geardona (talk) 01:05, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

How to delete a redirect?

I want to create a new article, but there's a redirect obstructing it. How can I have the redirect deleted to claim that namespace for my upcoming article? Sajjad Altaf (talk) 01:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sajjad Altaf. If it's OK that you will not be registered as the page creator then you can convert the redirect to an article. See Wikipedia:Redirect#How to edit a redirect or convert it into an article. Your contributions will still appear in the page history. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Isn't there an alternative solution? Is there a template available that I can place at the beginning of the article to request its deletion? Sajjad Altaf (talk) 02:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sajjad Altaf: If the draft has been approved by WP:AFC you can use {{Db-afc-move}}, otherwise you need to list it at WP:RFD. Whatr is wrong with PrimeHunter's solution? RudolfRed (talk) 02:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

If you submit a draft for review at WP:AFC then others will probably take care of it for you if the draft is approved. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:59, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I see Sajjad Altaf has chosen to create their article at Khurd, Pakistan, leaving Khurd as a redirect to Khurd and Kalan. Honestly, until we get the ability to receive notifications for arbitrary articles (not just ones where we're in the database as first editor), I can't really fault the decision, even if it does feel a little vain. No comment on notability, sourcing, or article title. Folly Mox (talk) 04:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Khurd and Kalan may be the primary topic anyway. I have added a hatnote there to Khurd, Pakistan.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:57, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

how make new name for link

Not sure if I'm using the correct terminology. To get to the "Encephalitozoon cuniculi" article, I can type in that name or "E. cuniculi" or "E cuniculi". However, if I'm editing a different article & want to link to that article, within the square double brackets, if I put in "E. cuniculi", it gives a red link (page does not exist). How do I edit it for this to work? I know I can do "E Cuniculi | E. Cuniculi", but my understanding is that using "E." is the correct way to indicate this organism. Thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 02:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

Try expanding the name maybe, or am I misunderstanding the question?

Thanks

Geardona (talk) 02:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I want to be able to put into my article "E. Cuniculi" (in double brackets) but that does not work. Sunandshade (talk) 02:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Sunandshade and welcome to the Teahouse! E. cuniculi should work (not piped), but if you capitalize cuniculi (you shouldn't anyway, per WP:NCCAPS) it won't work. ayakanaa ( t · c ) 02:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. It was capitalized. I did a cut/paste from somewhere & didn't notice that. I know it should NOT be capitalized but I missed it. But funny how "E Cuniculi" (no period, capitalized) DOES work. But I'm not going to use that. I'll be using "E. cuniculi". Sunandshade (talk) 02:29, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade: E. cuniculi is a blue link for me. Can you clarify your question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RudolfRed (talk • contribs)

@RudolfRed:: One pedantic, but important point: That the link is blue, only says that it exists - I've lost count of the number of links I've had to correct because somebody ignored the question of whether the link was for the correct "John Smith", so please get in the habit of checking this... Autokefal Dialytiker (talk) 08:42, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade: This shows the only current redirects are E Cuniculi and E. cuniculi. Wikilinks are case sensitive on all characters except the first so E cuniculi and E. Cuniculi don't work. The search box is not case sensitive so you can enter "E cuniculi" or "E. Cuniculi" in the search box. See Wikipedia:Redirect for how to make more redirects, but we try to limit redirects which only differ in their casing. If E. cuniculi is the correct or preferred way to write the name then a redirect on E. Cuniculi would encourage editors who write it in a poor way. We do have many redirects from poor casing but a lot of them go back to before the search box became case insensitive, or they were made by editors who remember that time. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining that. The proper way is for the redirect to be only "E. cuniculi". That way editors are forced to write it correctly. However, if "E Cuniculi" is removed, that could break a lot of links. However, if I'm reading this correctly, only Holland Lop uses the (incorrect) link. The others are this discussion & my sandbox. Is it ok for me to remove that redirect? But then someone searching would have to type the "." after the E. What is best? Sunandshade (talk) 05:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade: I updated the Holland Lop article to use the correct redirect. GoingBatty (talk) 05:55, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Great. Should I remove the "E Cuniculi" redirect, as discussed above? I'm new here & don't want to make changes in haste. Sunandshade (talk) 06:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade: Redirects can only be deleted by administrators. Others can nominate for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. E Cuniculi was created in 2010. It takes more to delete an old than a new redirect because it may have unknown incoming links from external sites, and it may be linked in old revisions in page histories. Also, there is no redirect on E cuniculi or any other casing without a period so if we delete it then it will not work to type "E cuniculi" or other casings in the search box, and we do like that to work for plausible searches. I would just leave it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Indexing my page in search engine

How to fix my page is not indexed in search engine. When i search the name of article. Chparveshtaak (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Chparveshtaak: If it is a new article, then it may not have been through WP:NPP review yet, as there is a large backlog. Unreviewed articles are not indexed by search engines. If not reviewed in 90 days, then it will be indexable by search engines. RudolfRed (talk) 02:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Chparveshtaak: Please be specific and name the page and search engine. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:40, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Chparveshtaak: Are you referring to the Dangar Khera article you created? (Remember that it is not your page - see WP:OWN). GoingBatty (talk) 04:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Some help at Miss Universe Philippines 2023

Hi, I'm currently dealing with another editor adding unsourced content after I remove it from the article. Is there a limit to how many reverts I can do? I've put some notices on their talk page asking for them to add sources. I will revert for a third time, and then leave it. Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 02:47, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

For the record, I think they're good faith changes, I just don't think they know how to access their talk page or they're not seeing my edit summaries. Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 02:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Given this edit and their overall pattern of inserting the same sentence or two in many different places in the article, it's clear this editor is not able to contribute constructively, so I have blocked them. Wikipedia:Mobile communication bugs or not, edit-warring and disruption with BLP implications cannot be allowed to continue. DMacks (talk) 02:56, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Would someone editing like this instead go to WP:AIV? Not sure if it's just disruptive editing, or if it's vandalism. Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 02:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

AIV is ok for extensive and obvious disruption that's not literally "vandalism" (in the wikipedia-specific meaning). It's typical after escallating user-warnings to level 3/4 with no change in behavior. But admins are active (or at least lurking:) in lots of other places too. DMacks (talk) 03:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

If you're still around, we've got a similar disruption going on at Dissocation here. Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 02:59, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

That's just vandalism, but multiple IPs joining in. Will push some buttons after I refill my coffee.... DMacks (talk) 03:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

A few others did the needful. DMacks (talk) 03:11, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

The needful may need to be done again... is there a chance that User:Mutia ti la union updates or User talk:110.54.154.78 are trying to do the same thing? My hackles may just be raised for no good reason. I'm aware that IP connections can't really be disclosed, but probably worth keeping an eye on. Same wording of "there are 5 presenters". Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 03:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware of WP:SPI but don't know if I should post there with only IPs. Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 03:22, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, SPI would be slow and not very helpful. Takes a few days, it's obvious, and only really IPs involved. And Philippines IP pools are fairly dynamic. So it doesn't need CU tools but instead needs prompt "any admin can do this" action. WP:RFPP is the alternative when lots of IPs/accounts are a problem on one page. DMacks (talk) 03:27, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I'll keep that in mind for the future! I've put a request for protection on the page. Thank you for the help in reverting, blocking, and sending me to the right places! :) Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 03:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

What to do about a conflict of interest with removal of sourced information?

It's me again! At both Rukhsar Rehman & Faruk Kabir, User:BAPASSPHD has been removing sourced information without providing a good reason. On their talk page here, they claim to be from their legal team. This is a violation of WP:COI, right?

I'm unsure how to proceed here and would appreciate some help! Thank you for your time! Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 04:59, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Schrödinger's jellyfish: User talk:BAPASSPHD shows that the user has been blocked. GoingBatty (talk) 05:32, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

The blocked user may have a point. There was a rash of stories, all from unreliable sources, all echoing eachother, all the 29 and 30 Jun 2023, specifying that the couple had decided to end their marriage. That has somehow been parleyed into 'they are divorced' on WP. Seems like a major BLP fail on WPs part. --Tagishsimon (talk) 05:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't too sure on that part. I did check the deprecated sources on WP:RS, but didn't see the cited one (or any of the top results) on the list. What's the right thing to do here - edit the text of the article to just reflect "they are ending their marriage", remove the claim entirely, or keep it as-is? Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 05:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I've put a note on both talk pages. I'd be in favour of removing the divorce business from both articles, since the sources are unreliable, and the supposed divorce may not have happened. --Tagishsimon (talk) 05:56, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm so so sorry - I just did some further looking and it looks like the same articles are popping up from June of this year. Read over a few of the articles and they're essentially garbage. 100% worth removing. In the future, I'll be sure to look more into BLPs before charging in headfirst. Schrödinger's jellyfish (talk) 06:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

No reason for you to be sorry; you were trying to do the right thing in dealing with the COI editor & you're clearly acting in good faith. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Schrödinger's jellyfish: I also added {{connected contributor}} on the article talk pages. GoingBatty (talk) 05:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Apparently, User:BAPASSPHD now indef blocked despite having been confirmed correct in denying the divorce. I left a note on Talk page how to appeal block, and in the future, because paid, propose changes on Talk pages versus editing articles directly. David notMD (talk) 09:38, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

First Steps in Article Creation

Merry Christmas to all you fine folks at the Teahouse.

I was just wondering, how do I start creating pages and articles on Wikipedia? I want to do so for a cartoon I'm surprised hasn't had a dedicated page to it. The show in question is Kody Kapow, a cartoon that used to air on Sprout, and later Universal Kids for a short while after the rebrand of the channel. You don't have to provide me with exhaustive details, but I was wondering how to begin making an article, as I have yet to do so. Specifically, however, I was wondering what some good sources are which relate to the show. Accurate sources, I mean. I hope it's not too much trouble and not too silly a request and question.

Thank you, and I hope your holidays are going merrily. Triviatronic9000 (talk) 06:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

We would probably point you at WP:YFA and WP:RS, but equally note that there is no certainty that reliable sources exist for Kody Kapow, which might be why there is no article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. If perhaps you can find an accurate source, would you please let me know? I'm pretty sure I can explain the synopsis, characters, and (if I can find some way to watch them) the episodes, but I would like to fact check myself, just in case, because if I can help it, if it's inaccurate, I wouldn't include it. If I know it's inaccurate, anyway. Triviatronic9000 (talk) 06:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

This, probably. Maybe this. Again, maybe. ditto. This. The common theme for all of these is that they look like legitimate news sources, not blogs, fandoms, streaming services &c. Good luck. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:26, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for going through the trouble. Hopefully I can find at least something I can use. I won't ask for any more assistance, because I don't want you to go on potential wild goose chases, since into is so scarce, though I will let you know if what I read is accurate. Triviatronic9000 (talk) 06:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Triviatronic9000. The first step is also the most important step by far. Identify several reliable published sources that are entirely independent of Kody Kapow, and that devote significant coverage to that topic. The next step is to format references to those reliable sources, which is described in Referencing for Beginners. At this point, the most difficult part of the process is done, and you have not yet written a single word of prose. Then, you neutrally summarize in your own words what the reliable sources say, leaving out everything that is not verified by those sources. The rest is formatting the draft to Wikipedia's house style but that is straightforward. The first step is the hardest and most important step. Without identifying sourced that comply with policy, it is not possible to write an acceptable Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:42, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I do not like to disagree with Tagishsimon, but, in my opinion, all the coverage in the sources linked above was generated by press releases and public relations by the show's creators. I do not see any independent coverage there. A phrase like The show is billed to launch followed by lengthy quotes from a network executive does not indicate independent coverage. A phrase that says that Sprouts has greenlighted a new animated series is evidence that the coverage is generated by public relations, as the author has clearly not seen the (future, at that time) series, and is parroting network talking points. We learn from another that Jason Alexander has been tapped to lead the voice cast which is set for premiere July 15. This is not independent reporting. It is clearly recapitulation of a network press release. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 07:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Can I use the website of the company that made the show? Or is that not independent enough? I ask because I saw that it was on there. Kodiak, the production company is. Triviatronic9000 (talk) 13:46, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

New article

How can I create a new translated from uk:Територіальний центр комплектування та соціальної підтримки article with no registration? 46.211.78.23 (talk) 10:26, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

First, get plenty of practice improving existing articles. When you are improving them successfully, decide if your proposed subject is notable (as notability is defined by and for Wikipedia). If so, then create a draft, basing this on reliable sources (as reliability is defined by and for Wikipedia). In the summary of your very first edit, say that it's a translation of the Ukrainian-language article. Reference your draft, scrupulously. Then submit your draft for promotion to article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Replacing a redirect with a new article

Hi, the article draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kezia_Hayter is ready to publish but there is a redirect on the page "Kezia Hayter". Can someone please publish the draft over the redirect, or leave me instructions on how to do so? Thanks and merry Christmas to all those celebrating today! MurielMary (talk) 10:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Done! -- Hoary (talk) 12:27, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

It was indeed ready to publish. Good work on that draft-now-article by both of you. A merry Ziemassvētki to you and all. -- Hoary (talk) 12:57, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@MurielMary: You could have used {{db-afc-move}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)