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Artemisia I of Caria

Does anyone know whether Artemisia was or is called Anahita in Persian (old or modern)? Some anonymous IP, probably Iranian, editors, have been pushing, in a minorish edit war, at the aforementioned article for such a name and,as far as I can tell, for the certainty of etymology of Artemis from Persian. I've already asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Iran but noone has replied; I've also tried to reason with them in my edit summaries and at the article talk page; no comment by them. Help anyone?? Thanatos|talk|contributions 03:39, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

It's possible this is a confusion between Artemis the goddess and Artemisia. Artemis was identified with Persian Anahita; see The Mother of the Gods, Athens, and the Tyranny of Asia. The Greek tradition associates Artemisia of Caria with certain religious practices that may have contributed to this: "Polyaenus tells a similar story [similar to Midas's drawing on the cult of the Phrygian Mother for his power] of Artemisa, queen of Caria in the time of Xerxes, who captured the city of Latmus by deploying the musical and enthusiastic rites of a procession of the Mother of the Gods" (p. 89). Just as the name Artemisia would allude to Artemis, if Anahita had been interpreted as equivalent to Artemis or the Mother of the Gods, the queen's name could have been "translated" as alluding to Anahita. Or something like that: I'm not making a specific argument, only pointing to the kinds of questions that could be raised. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I've also made these or similar thoughts. That's why I have been searching for Persophones to answer whether indeed such most importantly name conflation is indeed true in old or modern Persian... P.S.The internet seems to disagree :), apart from probably or mostly the effect of those editors edits, that is; e.g. no such conflation here...Thanatos|talk|contributions 15:34, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Some more thoughts and/or thoughtful actions...:

آناهيتا‎ : what the IP editor(s) has been adding to the English wikiarticle on Artemisia in the Persian script.
آرتمیس : deducted-deduced from the Persian article, by copying the title to google translate and by removal-trials-experimentation of parts to find out what each parts means whence one gets the equivalent of Artemisia in Persian; see below.

• google translation of both words whence we get Anahita for the first and Artemis for the second,
• google translation of wikiarticle on Artemisia I of Caria in the Persian wikipedia and original Persian wikiarticle thereof,
• google translation of wikiarticle on Artemis in Persian and original Persian wikiarticle thereof,
• google translation of wikiarticle on Anahita in Persian and original page thereof,
• google translation of Persian wikiaricle about list of Iranian-Persian deities; in relevant essence, the same as the last above.
  

Notes: in the Artemisia article there are no sources in Persian; all in English including the Encyclopaedia Iranica article I've already linked to before. Anahita is conflated with Venus (at least as per google translation) and Ishtar in the Persian wikipedia. No Anahita in Persian articles on Artemis or Artemisia. Same word for the two latter, different for the former. The word in Persian scirpt that the editor(s) has been adding here is the same to the title of the Anahita article in the Persian wikipedia, not the one on Artemis or Artemisia.

Conclusion: it seems to me by means of this googlewiki decyphering& detective work and in the absence of personal knowledge of Persian -again if I'm wrong, apologies to Persians, Persophones in general and also to the IP editor(s)- that in -at least modern- Persian they do conflate the names Artemis & Artemisia but that the Persian word for both differs from the word for Anahita (symbolically); moreover they don't seem to note -at least in these articles- a semantic-pragmatic conflation-relation between Anahita on the one hand and Artemis or Artemisia on the other in the relevant Persian wikiarticles. So the IP editor(s) seems to be pushing here -again, still- for the semantic equivalence of Anahita and Artemis through the false or least unjustified -as per the above argument and evidence or "evidence"- symbolical conflation of their names; i.e. he-she-tehy is doing what he-she-they had been similarly doing before by pushing for a certain etymological -and I guess indirectly semantic and pragmatic- derivation of Artemis from Persian; the same seems to be true for the conflation of Anahita and Artemisia, i.e. he-she-they seems to be pushing for Artemisia of Caria being essentially Persian. Don't know which of the two is the most important to him-her-them; if one were to judge from the absence -at least recently; haven't checked more in the past- of analogous edits in the article on Artemis, then one could deduce that it's Artemisia being Persian that is the main target, objective...
Any thoughts, objections, etc??????

P.S.This miniwar is not recent; one could go back at least some months in the edit history and see this line of thought and edits.
EDIT Checked again: in fact one sees the same pattern going way back...
It seems that there has been a silent revival of the Persian Wars during the last years!
Damn, how could have I missed this?!?!? I'm going to get my hoplon and go practise phalanx formations with my fellow hoplitai and then my triereis to practise embole with my nautiloi mates; next step the sarisai and hippoi with my hetairoi... :D
P.P.S.Copied-pasted to word processor, changed language to Farsi, broke up words into letters (they radically change form), used this; what I get, still using prior knowledge-guess of what it is supposed to read, is Anahita on آناهيتا‎ and Artmys on آرتمیس .
Thanatos|talk|contributions 17:28, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

On a similar note: could someone please comment on the etymology of Artemis at the Artemis talk page, on its supposedly most likely etymology from arktos? Thanatos|talk|contributions 02:23, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Created 'Classical Greece and Rome' page as a redirect

Many of this project's tag on talk pages were linking to the unmade page 'Classical Greece and Rome', I made the page redirect to Classical antiquity, I hope that is ok :) GrassHopHer (talk) 20:09, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but redirecting Classical Greece and Rome to Classical antiquity seems OK to me. At the top of talk pages, however, {{Classical Greece and Rome}}evokes the project banner, and so I hope [[Classical Greece and Rome]] was not a typo for that. Cynwolfe (talk) 00:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

The redlink GrassHopHer is talking about was in the lil blurb within the project banner, I believe, unless I'm missing something, too.  davidiad { t } 00:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that is what I meant GrassHopHer (talk) 04:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment

A request has been posted at Wikipedia:Proposed mergers for the merging of Palatini (Roman military) and Comitatenses to Palatini and Comitatenses. Both subject articles are currently stubs, and the target does not yet exist. Further input welcome at Talk:Comitatenses#Merger_Proposal. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 15:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Request more eyes on the Herodotus article

The Herodotus article, which I noticed only yesterday is actually very poor, is now being revised by an editor who has expressed disdain for Herodotus' writing and methods on another article's talk page - see [1] section "more Herodotus" especially. I don't have time right now to devote to work on that article and am not especially expert in the subject but request more eyes on the way the article is being revised. ThanksSmeat75 (talk) 14:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC).

That's funny - Herodotus is also getting a kicking from an ISP at Talk:Celts. How he connects with Historicity_of_Jesus heaven only knows. Johnbod (talk) 17:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I brought him up as an example of a source that contains supernatural events but still provides valuable historical material, and in response got a long screed about his description of Egypt. It ended up not helping the discussion... --Akhilleus (talk) 18:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

images at Bibliotheca Teubneriana

Perhaps members of this project who are interested in the history of Greek typography and printed classical editions would care to take a look at a dispute about the fair use status of the images on Bibliotheca Teubneriana. An editor has tried to remove all the images from the article on the grounds that they violate Wikipedia's fair use policy (WP:NFCC); he has also argued that the images are "purely decorative" (which I take to mean that they add no substantial information to the article). It's also been argued that these images can be easily replaced by using lorem ipsum (i.e., gibberish), in place of the actual Greek text in the images. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review#Bibliotheca_Teubneriana. --Akhilleus (talk) 21:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion: Delectare

Members of this project may be interested in discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delectare. Cnilep (talk) 01:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Lykaia (origins)

I left a note on the Egyptian religion talk page. As I am examining parallels to this mythical complex I was drawn to Asia first (Altheim, Alfoeldi, Salomon Reinach all think of a shamanistic-totemic cult from Asia, cfr. Asena of the Turks etc.) but I came across the intriguing Egyptian connexion through this Lykabas, the wolf of the sun said by Greeks to be Egyptian for year. But it looks in Egypt they had only Anubi pulling the sun barge during the night. And the dog eating the sun is also of Asian folklore. I also found that Lykabas is represented as a radiant headed male holding a horse on a coin by Maximinus Th. Artemidoros about the wolf is on the string like wise of crossing rivers of this animal, comparable to the succession of the seasons, maybe a Greek interpretation mixed with folk etymology. A certain Martin Bernal wrote that Lykabettos the hill to the NE of Athens is from an Egyptian word meaning luminous region in the E., dawn. Moreover the story of Danaus at Argos is obviously directly related to Egypt, the wolf and the sun.

Is somebody interested or has suggestions? Thank you for the attention!Aldrasto11 (talk) 05:50, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

A certain Martin Bernal did indeed write that.  davidiad { t } 06:08, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin

The List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin article has been proposed for deletion. Your opinions are welcomed. --Norden1990 (talk) 16:23, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

AFD closed as no consensus. AGK [•] 19:09, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Confusion between the "Ancient Agora" and "Roman Agora"

Our article Ancient Agora of Athens is a bit of a mess. There has been -- and probably continues to be -- confusion there between two different locations in Athens, the ancient agora, and the later Roman agora (e.g. see these recent edits: [2], [3], [4]). The same confusion exists with respect to the Common categories: Ancient Agora of Athens and Ancient Roman Agora (Athens), And I assume elsewhere throughout the encyclopedia. We should try to sort this out. Paul August ☎ 14:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

@Paul August: Is the best way to differentiate not to identify whether a specific agora is planned (regular shape) or unplanned (irregular shape)? I understand that is the most common difference between the two types of public space. In terms of preventing the existing content from being corrupted again in the future, the liberal use of in-line <!-- text comments --> and edit notices might be effective. AGK [•] 18:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

The most important difference between the Athenian Agora and the Roman Agora is that they are physically separate locations. To make things more exciting, there was another agora in Athens, known in archaeological literature as the archaic Agora, which probably lay to the east of the Acropolis (it's only known through literary and epigraphic evidence, so its location hasn't been precisely determined). Right now, it looks like we don't have an article on the archaic agora, only a poorly developed one on the agora proper (in spite of its having been continuously excavated and published for at least a century), and what material we've got on the Roman agora is a list of buildings in the Ancient Agora of Athens article. Ideally there would be separate articles on each agora, and they would consist of more than lists. There are excellent resources for each agora. For the archaic agora, Noel Robertson's 1998 article "The City Center of ArchaicAthens" is a good starting point: [5]. For the classical agora, John Camp's The Athenian Agora is the book to start with--it's by the director of the excavations. For the Roman Agora, another book by John Camp, The Archaeology of Athens, is a good place to start. --Akhilleus (talk) 22:19, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Sweeping the front steps

I took the liberty of tidying up the front page (WP:CGR) and playing with the layout a little. I think the result, as it stands at the moment, is a much tidier and appealing front page. That can only be good for the project: the best examples of WikiProjects, which admittedly are a little process-y for my personal taste, do all seem to have one thing in common: a well-maintained and inviting project page. I hope nobody hates it, but I also hope somebody will think of a way to make it better still!

I was also thinking of updating the members list, which is looking a little long in the tooth. If anybody would prefer it stay as it is, I will await your objections ;-). Otherwise, I'm going to take off a few of the usernames from that list that appear to have stopped editing Wikipedia altogether. AGK [•] 19:08, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Looking pretty snazzy, AGK.  davidiad { t } 23:48, 30 November 2013 (UTC)