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ASTA re released

I noticed that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASTA:_The_War_of_Tears_and_Winds was relaunched on steam last week even though it had shut down its original servers previously. Can someone update its page? http://store.steampowered.com/app/617720/ASTA_Online_V2_CBT/

2602:306:362C:1550:2DF6:9D63:3055:2318 (talk) 02:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Game hint lines

I came across an article in GamePro about live game counselors and 900 hint lines which has one or two useful pieces of info. The trouble is, I can't seem to find an article on Wikipedia where such information might appropriately go. Any suggestions?--Martin IIIa (talk) 20:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's probably enough coverage to convert Nintendo Power Line into a broader concept of Video Game hint lines, of which the most famous was the Nintendo Power Line: Kotaku, A.V. Club, the line was revived for the NES Mini launch (Engadget, CNet, Polygon), Wikia (unusable as a source but can be used as a base for research), featured in The Wizard, that time when one number was bought by an sex company (N4G, NBC, Wired), Gamasutra, Felicia Day biography, Geek.com, Sierra Hint Line (this is an archive of 1989 Sierra Magazine), Sega, Konami also had their own Hint Lines. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 20:55, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Martin IIIa do you have a link to the GamePro article? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 13:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bumping thread for 60 days. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Time for a Category:RPG Maker games?

The category has been deleted twice before, 11 years ago, but I'm gonna ask here just to be safe. Do you guys think it's time to make this category? Currently there are many articles in Category:RPG Maker that should be in this. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a valid sub-category. -- ferret (talk) 13:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Given we have Category:Unity (game engine) games and Category:Unreal Engine games, I see no issue with this. However, let me suggest that we flip the naming scheme of these around to "Games made with RPG Maker/Unity/Unreal/whatever" so they don't look like a platform or genre.--MASEM (t) 13:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I've made Category:Games made with RPG Maker‎. I'll start filling it tomorrow. Anarchyte (work | talk) 13:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just a followup, Masem and Ferret, do you think it'd be a good idea to start a rename CfD for similar categories (Category:Unity (game engine) games etc) so that it's consistent (would become Category:Games made with Unity in this case)? 07:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I incorrectly formatted my signature there, pinging just in case it didn't work because of it. @Masem and Ferret:. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It'd be better had you just created Category:RPG Maker games like you originally suggested. - hahnchen 10:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A category for RPG Maker games is valid in my eyes. Have no strong opinion on "RPG Maker games" versus "Games made with RPG Maker". -- ferret (talk) 12:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We should at least standardize them. I'm not thrilled with the name "Category:Unity (game engine) games", and while I like saying "Games made with..." to differ these from platform, at least I would rename this one to be "Unity engine games" to avoid that awkward parenthetical that's not needed here. --MASEM (t) 14:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to guess that it was moved from Category:Unity engine games → Category:Unity (game engine) games per WP:C2D. --The1337gamer (talk) 16:48, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer "Games made with..." it's clear and does exactly what it says on the tin. - X201 (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like it's a valid category as well. In a general sense, I'm neutral in how to name it, but in the RPG Maker example, I prefer the "Games made with..." because with the alternative could be confusing as to whether it means "Games created with RPG Maker" or "Games in the RPG Maker series", since there's many iterations of the RPG Maker (series). Not the same with something like "Unity", which is not a series of video games too. Sergecross73 msg me 17:28, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are more categories than I originally thought (Category:Video games by game engine), many of which go along the lines of "<engine> games", meaning consistency is already there, so I'm fretful to nominate all of these articles just because there are one or two outliers but at the same time people here have suggested that "Games made with" is better. Anarchyte (work | talk)

I agree that we shouldn't change what works. I'm not a big fan of the "Unity (game engine) games" naming over "Unity engine games" but that's more minor. I do also agree though that with RPG Maker we need to distinguish careully, and that may be reason to use the exception to the naming approach there. --MASEM (t) 19:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the problem with the original naming scheme. SharkD  Talk  23:34, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Help

A user just move the game trilogy .hack//G.U. to its first title stating all three episodes will have their own articles. Still, the user didn't even create a new article and I doubt we have development information. I tried moving it back but Wikipedia doesn't allow me. Any ideas?Tintor2 (talk) 22:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted. Opened a talk page discussion at the article. -- ferret (talk) 23:14, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
They also made several other large changes to the page without any discussion or edit summary. I noticed because it orphaned the image that I uploaded 8 years ago and it almost got deleted. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 10:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So the reason there aren't separate articles for each volume is because there isn't enough content or coverage to justify making them separate. While they were released as separate titles, they're essential a single game in three installments. And I don't see any compelling reason to split them, the article isn't exactly overly long. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 10:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Would a "List of video game-related legal cases" make sense?

After spending a bit of time breakout the ZeniMax v. Oculus lawsuit to its own article, I was thinking if there already existed a list of video game related lawsuits or if we should have one. Inclusion would require that there is a decent amount of discussion about the case on some page and not just pointing to court records, only so that list serves as an index to help readers find more details. So this would include things like the ZeniMax/Oculus case, Silicon Knights/Epic Games, 38 Studios, as well as Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Ass'c. Just looking to see if this is a good idea or not. --MASEM (t) 19:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If not a list, then at least a category. -- ferret (talk) 19:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think its a good idea. There's Sega v. Accolade too. Sergecross73 msg me 20:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe a cat that says "lawsuits" instead of "legal cases" so it can include articles that mention lawsuits but are not specifically a standalone article about a lawsuit? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 21:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if a cat works, only because many of the legal actions/lawsuits aren't separate pages from either the principle company or the games involved (eg the legal case against 38 Studios is all on the dev page). With a list, we can pipe links so that we can spell out the name of the case even while linking to the more relevant section. Also, –we can at least put something like "dispute type" (IP, contractual, etc.) and a brief description and outcome. A cat for standalone articles specifically on cases would be fine. --MASEM (t) 21:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Suitable redirects can have categories though. Also another page that might be usable for this is Edge Games. 90% of which is about legal cases. -- ferret (talk) 21:21, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is true too. I'm just thinking though that as more examples are brought in, the list/cat combo makes a lot of sense, if the list is formatted in a useful way. For example, a section for "case law" for any case that was resolved at a US District Court or higher, or the equivalent elsewhere, to identify pertinent cases that affect legal aspects of video games, and then sections for other dispute types that may not be setting precedence but had sufficiently deep coverage ala ZeniMax/Oculus. (At least in terms of case law, I just did a quick check to validate that I can demonstrate secondary coverage of the topic as a whole). --MASEM (t) 21:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oooh, Edge Games, blimey, that was a long summer :( - X201 (talk) 08:56, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There is currently a category related to this topic, that contains many video game court cases: Category:Video game law. ~Mable (chat) 09:20, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why not. Plenty of sources would have reported on the more notable cases, and there are enough out there to warrant an article like this. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Threre are also article for Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc. as well as Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Nintendo Co., Ltd., so there is defiantly enough cases to cover. We should also include Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Ass'n which ruled that video games were protected speech.--64.229.167.158 (talk) 04:13, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think at least a short referenced description of every case in this list would work. How would we order and organize such a list, though? I assume most are intellectual property-related, so we could make this a chronological list. For separate subjects, like cases related to sex and violence in video games, we could create separate sections. ~Mable (chat) 09:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through this category, I almost start to wonder if we could create a separate list for video game bills, laws, and regulations, though I imagine there are technically too many to list, especially if we make it global. ~Mable (chat) 09:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've started User:Masem/List of video game related court cases in the United States which is obviously not all complete in terms of cases, but making sure that looks good. Note I'd expect to add one ref to each case for summary purposes. --MASEM (t) 16:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Does any reliable source discuss the cases as a group for WP:LISTN? Or is this a WP:SPLIT from a related "video game related legal cases" topic? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 17:41, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I came across two lawsuits in Mojang#lawsuits that have been covered by reliable sources, and may work well in the list. ~Mable (chat) 17:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Third party sales estimates in infobox

There is an RFC going on about this at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Xbox_One#RfC_about_the_inclusion_of_third_party_values_in_infobox - would love more input on it. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 18:54, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Salavat (talk) 05:12, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting in Assassin's Creed: Revelations article

Assassin's Creed: Revelations - I don't see it anywhere in the article. It is worth noting that Revelations is the first game in the series that features two composers. Lorne Balfe composed the main theme, cutscenes and multiplayer while Jesper Kyd did the ambient and combat music. --Debeet (talk) 18:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is it? Find reliable sources about the change, and add it to the article with citations to the sources you found.--IDVtalk 18:33, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is trivia. Who cares if it was the first to feature two composers? If no sources explicitly mentions that, it doesn't belong. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:36, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Highway 61 Interactive

I need a second opinion on this article idea. This was suggested at the Requests board. Its notable enough to have its own article but I'm not sure whether or not this is a video game. I don't know if I should use Template:Infobox video game or any other template for this. Thoughts? GamerPro64 21:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Distributor field from Template:Infobox video game

Discussion: Template talk:Infobox video game#Distributor. --The1337gamer (talk) 13:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments on Sonic the Hedgehog's FAC

Could I get some additional comments on my current FAC? It's been a while since the last comment. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SNES classic line-up announced

For those of you that like improving articles on older games, the line-up for the SNES classic was announced.[1] The system comes out September 29 and includes 21 games (including the previously unreleased Star Fox 2). I checked the articles and of the 21 games included: 2 are FAs, 10 are GAs, and 9 need improvement. I'm thinking of putting in some effort into the latter, and figured others may be interested as well. The 9 needing improvement are: Star Fox, Star Fox 2, Super Mario World, Street Fighter II′ Turbo: Hyper Fighting, Super Castlevania IV, Kirby Super Star, Kirby's Dream Course, Contra III: The Alien Wars, and Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts. TarkusAB 17:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Star Fox 2? That's going to be an odd one to handle, since it's the first official release of the game, so it has to belong in the infobox and such. All of the other games shouldn't mention it, since they are just emulated. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think it would be okay to mention their inclusions. Like the case with the Rare Replay games. Also I made a mock-up of the topic:
edit | discuss
SNES Classic
2 articles
Contra III: The Alien Wars
Donkey Kong Country
EarthBound
Final Fantasy VI
F-Zero
Kirby Super Star
Kirby's Dream Course
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mega Man X
Secret of Mana
Star Fox
Star Fox 2
Street Fighter II′ Turbo: Hyper Fighting
Super Castlevania IV
Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario RPG
Super Mario World
Super Metroid
Super Punch-Out!!
Yoshi's Island

GamerPro64 18:14, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well technically for Star Fox 2, it's still emulation right? I think the SNES and NES classic machines were just running emulation software. They probably just dug up the old SNES ROM and made some modifications. I would argue the platform should be simply Super NES and release should say 2017 (via SNES mini) but I could see it going either way. Do we list it under List of Super Nintendo Entertainment System games? Very weird case with this one. TarkusAB 18:44, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be fine with that, but we'd need a larger consensus because it's bound to be a point of controversy. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:55, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Limiting what hardware pricing is used

There's been a few small-scale edit wars on recent consoles about which countries to include pricing for. While we are not a catalog, MSRP is generally something included with any consumer electronic that is notable, as it gives an implicit idea whom it is catered towards, and often itself is a point of discussion. But that said, we can't include the price for every country. I suggest that we limit these to only 5, assuming they are all applicable:

  • USD - Largest market for video games, and pretty much the defacto currency when describing video game commercial performance.
  • JPY - May not be largest market, but Japan has significant influence on the VG world
  • Euro - Other major market for video games in the context of en.wiki.
  • GPB - More of a legacy issue as for systems released prior to the Euro, the GPB would serve as a reasonable metric, and thus we should include for legacy.
  • AUD - Because the import tarriffs to Australia/NZ are well established and this gives an idea of how much they hit this reason.

Obviously if a console wasn't released in one of these regions, we shouldn't include that from, say, ebay costs. Or as in the case of the Switch where Nintendo has not set a MSRP for the Euro, that should be omitted.

Regions that I've seen pushed to include pricing that we should not include, unless noted, would be

  • Canada and Mexico - yes, they're pricing is different but is generally going to be proportional to the US price across different hardware
  • China/S. Korea - While Asia may boost a lot of gamers, in terms of en.wiki its largely different set of games and consoles; further, their pricing will be close to what the Yen price is.

Obviously all IAR-type exceptions should be in play, and if there are notable prices outside these 5 regions, that can be discussed in prose, but for simplicity of the infobox and comparison tables, we should limit it to these 5. --MASEM (t) 16:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Home territory" -- so, JPY but not USD for PS4? Maybe it's because we're biased westerners but that does not seem informative to me or most readers. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 23:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is more for infoboxes and comparison tables, where it seems defacto to include a selection of worldwide pricing at the given MSRP, rather than the converted price. It would be different in prose, where we'd only need the home pricing and the converted price if that's mentioned (for example in the case of the Switch, when Nintendo was first posing how much its online service would cost, it was given in yen, and RSes provided the approximate dollar amount). But MSRP's are different beasts. --MASEM (t) 19:47, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We don't list the MSRP for cars in infoboxes and I think it's overkill for consoles too. The MSRP is only useful relative to cost of living and I doubt our readers/editors have memorized inflation tables: So the NES cost ¥14,800/$299 in 1984—what does that mean? Home currencies-only would be a compromise until the parameter is excised from the template:Infobox information appliance, but expanding to four/five currencies seems antithetical to the purpose of the infobox (to summarize key facts that already appear in the article). czar 21:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Very fair point and thus maybe it is appropriate for use to eliminate this from our infobox. (There remains the issue of the by-generation comparison tables, and which regional pricing to use, since the relative costs of consoles is a big deal to some). If the pricing elements are important, we can wrap that in prose, and as often this is the comparison of one console to another, those sources will default to some currency. However, even in prose, even where costs can be documented and made relevant, we should be wary of adding too many regions. --MASEM (t) 23:58, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I really do not see the point of including Australia in the infobox. Its only the 14th largest market in the world, which is even less impressive than it sounds on its face since the top 7 markets are larger than the rest of the world combined. There are no important publishers headquartered there and very few developers of worldwide note. Its simply not an important enough part of the video game industry to rate a mention in the infoboxes of the consoles. Indrian (talk) 20:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • We already include it as in the infobox due to it being an majority English-speaking region. It would seem inconsistent with the rest of our guidelines if we were to do this. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:12, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • But if that's the rationale, then why are we leaving Canada out? Its both a larger market and the home of more significant developers. Proximity and similarity to the United States is not a good enough reason if our overriding rationale is majority English speaking country. Indrian (talk) 20:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whereas MSRP pricing in Canada follows with the US pricing, given conversion rates, AUS pricing is highly influenced by shipping and tarriffs. For example, $1 = 1.30 AUD right = 1.30 CAD. That means the US$300 pricetag for the Swich would be about 390 AUD or CAD. In CAD the MSRP is CA$400 (right there) but it's 470 AUD, and that's due to the logistics of shipping there. It is not so much that we're ignoring Canada as an english-speaking region, but that we are identifying one English-centric point in each region for pricing comparisons. The exception is the UK/Euro one but that's a legacy aspect only. --MASEM (t) 20:33, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, as a regional comparison thing I guess I can see that. I would argue that AUS/NZ is not an important enough region of the world in video game terms to care about the pricing there on the infobox level, but I certainly have no strong opinions on what goes in the infobox and have no desire to argue over this. Indrian (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Video game hoaxer

Hey, everyone. There's a hoaxer who I've been chasing around for several months. He generally targets biographies of voice actors to add hoax credits. For a while, it was mostly fake roles in animated films, and I lost track of him for a while when he switched to fake roles in video games. He seems to specialize in adding credits for Watch Dogs, the Grand Theft Auto series (especially Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas), and the Lego Indiana Jones series. Many of credits listed in BLPs for these games are hoaxes. His main account was Langesam1234 (talk · contribs), and most of his logged-in accounts use variations of that name. For example, Langesamwikipedia1234 (talk · contribs) and Langesam1234wiki (talk · contribs). However, most of his vandalism is spread through IP accounts. One way to recognize him is through the sporadic mention of his name in edit summaries, usually styled as variations of "edited by sam lange" or "added by sam". For the past month, he's been on 2601:601:8280:4D9F:* (talk · contribs · WHOIS), which is registered to Comcast. His geolocation seems to fluctuate between Seattle, Washington, US, and New Jersey, US. After I range blocked 2601:601:8280:4D9F::/64, he showed up on 73.109.61.77 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). If you've got video game voice actor bios on your watchlist, please watch for his hoaxes. He's been very active recently, and I missed a lot of his vandalism. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 10:09, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OpenRCT2

Please take a moment to review the threads at Talk:OpenRCT2 and possibly to comment. --Izno (talk) 11:24, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of VeggieTales Video Games

I dunno, but is anyone interested in expanding this article? Perhaps someone who has the time or lulz might want to give this more or less the same treatment as with the Madeline. Blake Gripling (talk) 02:50, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We ran out of lulz two months ago. We need to stock up on some more. SharkD  Talk  23:38, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Salavat (talk) 03:03, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of Space Invaders video games

I noticed that List of Space Invaders video games changed into Space Invaders (series), which is rather odd that it removes mention of it being a list. Especially since its a Featured List. Didn't see any discussion to change the title so I don't think this was a good call to make. GamerPro64 00:15, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a good change. Moving it to "Space Invaders video games" would be non-standard, but understandable, but the "Name (series)" format is reserved for articles about a series, not lists. It should be moved back. --PresN 02:45, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It should be moved back since this is clearly a list not a series article.--64.229.167.158 (talk) 02:14, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have any sources pertaining to the educational game series "Mango Plumo Nature and Science" Series?

I'm working a new article for a educational video game series published by QA International around 2003.

If anyone has any sources I can site or any other information (with sources), please tell me about it or discuss it on the talk of page of my sandbox

Thanks, Upsidedown Keyboard (talk) 23:46, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2017

Jacksepticeye said in his recent video titled "IS JACKSEPTICEYE DEAD? 2601:6C4:4001:2AF0:1C33:8058:DB29:2C4C (talk) 01:52, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 02:00, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please, make the request on the appropriate talk page. TheDeviantPro (talk) 07:19, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Spoiler related content

I think this is an important issue that should be raised here, although I imagine it already has before, I just thought I'd add some quick thoughts and suggestions.

Firstly the category section at the bottom of the page. Is it necessary for this section to include information about a game that is in turn a spoiler? I know this may be subjective but the category section seems like a fairly minor part of Wikipedia and not so crucial that information that is spoiler related could be avoided.

Also I'd like to gauge peoples thoughts on spoiler related information in articles overall. Is spoiler related information necessary? Should spoiler related information contain a warning before hand? Personally I think this sort of information should be avoided. The vast majority of games with comprehensive Wikipedia articles have their own separate Wiki pages that cover details of the game in far more depth than Wikipedia. These Wiki pages almost always contain spoiler warnings. The majority of video game articles I have seen do not go so depth that I would regard spoiler related information to be necessary to that description.

I think the topic of spoiler related content should really be opened and discussed further and would like to hear others thoughts. Thanks for your time. Helper201 (talk) 06:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that would be a better place to take this discussion, thank you. Although I would ask you please be more open in the future to at least discussing these matters, rather than immediately putting down even a discussion on the matter. Helper201 (talk) 07:15, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The1337gamer didn't say you shouldn't have a discussion, they were just stating their opinion on the question you asked. For what its worth I agree with them, the whole point of creating a comprehensive encyclopaedia is that it's comprehensive, spoilers aren't one of the things that we leave out. - X201 (talk) 07:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I got the impression that this was being shut down, perhaps I misinterpreted. In that case there is another option I've thought of which I brought up on Wikipedia:Spoiler - why not use (apologies I do not know the specific name for it) blocked out text? As in where what is written is blocked out and then when highlighted the words are revealed. I think this could be a useful option when it comes to spoiler related content where both parties win. The content is still there, so Wikipedia can stay comprehensive, people can see the information if they so wish, but also most will be able to avoid being accidentally spoiled. On the other hand there could just be a simple warning in the heading of the relevant section. Helper201 (talk) 07:36, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hiding text relies on things like CSS and Javascript, that then causes accessibility problems for users using screen readers etc, or who use a browser that doesn't support them for some reason. - X201 (talk) 08:08, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And what of a simple spoiler indication in the subheading? Or perhaps using italic text for spoiler content? I believe there is a way around this to satisfy both those that want the content and those who want to avoid spoilers. Helper201 (talk) 08:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The very existence of a heading titled "plot", "story" or "synopsis" is a spoiler warning. If you want to avoid spoilers, don't read those sections until you've played/read/watched the thing the article is about.--IDVtalk 09:15, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes IDV, a rule I already follow. Of course spoilers are not limited to those sections. I am here due to a spoiler in the category section and wanted to open up and broaden the debate, through discussions on changes. Its a shame the community seems to be quite resistant to trying to help better solve this issue. Helper201 (talk) 09:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's because this was already discussed ad nauseam ("After a series of long, contentious discussions...") over a decade ago. There's nothing left to discuss that hasn't already been discussed. So at this point, anything related to spoilers is subject to WP:DEADHORSE.--十八 09:46, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Over a decade ago". Wikipedia has changed quite a bit over a decade. Just because something was agreed upon then, you maintain it has to stay that way permanently? This status quo attitude seems particularly regressive. There's always room for change, whether it be of new ideas or new opinions on old ideas. Helper201 (talk) 09:53, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this consensus was formed over a decade ago. And yes, consensus can change, even long-standing consensus. I agree with the others, though, this one is unlikely to. Wikipedia stopped having spoiler tags (though I'm not sure if categories ever got tagged? Don't think so) because at its root it's counter to the ethos of the project- spoiler tags are a form of censorship of content, not due to editorial decisions on content but on not offending some readers, which violates the spirit of freely giving out information. Wikipedia isn't spoilered because it's not wikia- a video game article is concerned with giving out information on what that video game is, in all relevant aspects, not informing people who are playing/looking to play the game.
Or to put it another way- the gameplay section spoils the gameplay up to the end, the plot spoils the plot, the development section might spoil both, the reception section spoils gameplay and biases opinions, and I guess categories spoil plot too. So... the spoiler tags would just be at the top of every game article. So we don't use them at all. --PresN 11:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Our target group is not the person who wants information on wjether to buy a game or not. That person has lost his way and should have checked a gaming magazine. Our target group is a person who wants solid background information on a game because he needs to, dunno, write a paper about something or wants to research on the works of a certain game designer or whatever the reason may be to look up a game in an encyclopedia. Totally different target group. It's not that I don't get the point, I once ruined me a cinema visit by reading the movie synopsis of a movie that relied heavily on the viewer not knowing the final plot twist. But again, I should have read a movie magazine, not an encyclopedia. But I guess all this has been said numerous times over the past decade... Kind regards, Grueslayer 14:11, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Another person chiming in opposition. We're an encyclopedia, not messageboard posters catering to other posters - we don't hide spoilers with text formatting. If you don't want spoilers, stay away from story/plot sections. (And yes, I practice what I preach - I even stopped maintaining Persona 5 and Final Fantasy 15 for many months for this very reason.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:11, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
My two cents. I think that while the lead doesn't need "spoilers" from what happens late in the game as it is supposed to introduce the plot, we have to post "spoilers" when it comes to important reactions from the third party sources to something like Aerith's death.Tintor2 (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This sort of arbitrary subjective division is exactly what WP:SPOILER talks about. Who decides what is important or not? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 16:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also, regarding the original discussion that resulted in removing spoiler tags I could see a case for reargung the spoiler issue if it had never been brought up since but a simple glance at the archive of WP:SPOILER will clearly demonstrate that the consensus to remove has been reaffirmed several times and far more recently than 10 years ago.--64.229.167.158 (talk) 17:02, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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