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Comment: A lot of the content is not about the Institution of Locomotive Engineers and the main source used to support the content that is about the organization is their own journal which is a primary source and not independent. Also, some of the bibliographic information does not seem correct such as Steam Locomotive by O. S. Nock which was originally published in 1957 and I can't find a 1998 edition. I also suggest searching Internet Archive as it has old editions of Railway World Magazine and other publications that I think will be very helpful. S0091 (talk) 17:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Delete the whole table per WP:NOTDIR – just because we can list it (which actually we can't here) doesn't mean we should list it. Instead just list notable officers, i.e. those with *actual* articles, excluding those pointing to names within other articles or disambiguation pages. And as per previous comment, fix the external references and check they meet WP:RS. I would also add that it looks like steamindex.com is an enthusiasts page not a reliable source and that the journals reproduced there are copyright violations and thus we should never be linking to them as references. --10mmsocket (talk) 06:47, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
Comment: Needs more sources to verify the information (esp the table). External links need to be made into proper references (see Help:Referencing for beginners). Ideally headings should be properly formatted, rather than just text in bold. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Introduction
[edit]The Institution of Locomotive Engineers (I.Loco.E.) was an independent professional association and learned society headquartered in London, United Kingdom, that represented locomotive engineers from all over the UK and overseas between the years 1911 and 1969 when it merged with the Institution of Mechanical Engineers to become the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, Railway Division.[1][2] Its Objects were:
- The advancement of the-science and practice of locomotive engineering by discussion, inquiry, research, experiment and other means, the diffusion of knowledge regarding locomotive engineering by means of lectures, publications, exchange of information and otherwise …..
- The establishment of district, branch or sectional societies, and local and other associations …
- The providing of legal assistance for the protection of the interests of the members ….
- The rendering of financial or other aid to the widows, wives, children, relatives or dependants … of persons who have been members. [3]
Several local and overseas “Centres”, or associations, were formed in the interwar years, including Leeds (1918), Manchester (1919) and Buenos Aires (1920)[4] which became the largest overseas. Other Centres included Glasgow (1920)[5], Newcastle-on-Tyne (1928), Birmingham, India (1929), and Australia.[6]
Origins
[edit]The Institution of Mechanical Engineers was founded in 1847 by a group of railway engineers, who represented the cutting edge of engineering science at that time. Indeed, the institution’s founding president was none other than the father of the steam railway, George Stephenson.[6][7][8]
By the 1890s, the institution represented many other interests beyond that of railways, and papers on locomotive engineering were only occasionally read and discussed. However, a number of technical advances in locomotive engineering were being introduced to the UK, one of the most important of which was the introduction of superheating.[9] At the same time, the provision of corridor carriages, dining cars, etc. was increasing train weights, which in turn required the development of larger and more powerful locomotives.[10]
In the absence of an industry forum of their own, railway engineers and technicians began forming local, often company-based and often informal, self-help groups, one of the first being the Swindon Mechanics' Institute (founded 1844). Similar small-scale societies were formed within other railway centres, notably Derby[11] and Horwich[12], however they only catered for the technical staff of the railway concerned.[6]
Formation of The Railway Club and the Stephenson Society
[edit]A more encompassing organisation called the Railway Club was formed in 1899. Membership was open to both engineers and laymen, its meetings were held at the homes of its members until its own premises were secured in London. However, after a few years some of its senior members began to feel that the Club was becoming too general in its scope and that locomotive matters were no longer the prime focus of its activities. This led in 1909 to the formation of a break-away society devoted entirely to locomotive matters, which called itself the Stephenson Society. No qualifications for membership were necessary, but new members had to be introduced by an existing member.[6]
Formation of the Junior Institution of Locomotive Engineers
[edit]A further division then developed between the “amateurs” who held a general interest in locomotives, and the “professionals” who sought a more technical organisation that would help to advance their knowledge. This resulted in a split early in 1911 between the Stephenson Society (which altered its name to ‘‘The Stephenson Locomotive Society”) and a new organisation which adopted the title “The Junior Institution of Locomotive Engineers”.[13][6]
The inaugural meeting of the Institution was called on 4th February 1911. The first President was J. H. Adams, Locomotive Superintendent of the former North Staffordshire Railway, while the Honorary Secretary was T. H. Baxter, and the Honorary Treasurer F. Burtt, both of the LB&SCR (London Brighton and South Coast Railway). Many of the original members of the Institution were also Brighton men.[14][6]
In 1916, when the Institution received its Certificate of Incorporation from the Board of Trade, the word “junior” had been dropped from its title.[15]
The Institution's First Paper
[edit]The first Paper was read by J. P. Maitland from the LB&SCR on “French Locomotive Practice”, and a few months later a visit to France was arranged by Maitland for Institution members to see the locomotives that he had described in his paper.[16][17]
Presidents and Office Holders
[edit]The Institution of Mechanical Engineers offers short biographies and images of almost all the institution’s presidents from 1914 to 1969.[18] Missing from the Institutions listing are: J.H. Adams (1911), Prof Elliott (1912), Henry Fowler (1913)[19] and D.C. Brown (1960)[20]
Notable amongst the presidents were
- R.E.L. Maunsell, 1916[21][22], then Chief Mechanical Engineer for the South Eastern and Chatham Railway and 1928[23] then CME of the Southern Railway);
- H. N. Gresley, 1926[24] and 1934[25][26][27], CME of the London North Eastern Railway, knighted in 1938;
- W. A. Stanier. 1936[28] & 1938[29], CME of the London Midland & Scottish Railway, knighted in 1943;
- O.V.S. Bulleid, 1939-1944[30][31], CME of the Southern Railway;
- R. A. Riddles, 1950[32][33], Member of the Railway Executive for Mechanical and Electrical Engineering;
- Roland Bond, 1953,[34] Chief Officer (Locomotive Construction and Maintenance) at Railway Executive headquarters, subsequently becoming Chief Mechanical Engineer, British Railways Central Staff; and
- E.S. Cox, 1957[35][36], Mechanical Engineer (Development) at the British Transport Commission, British Railways Central Staff, acting as deputy to the Chief Mechanical Engineer.
Changes resulting from the 1923 Grouping
[edit]The 1923 “Grouping” under the Railways Act 1921, which involved the amalgamation of around 120 small and medium-sized railways into the “Big Four” - viz. the Great Western Railway (GWR), Southern Railway (SR), London Midland and Scottish Railway (LMS) and the London & North Eastern Railway (LNER) – resulted in a dramatic reduction in the number of leading railway officials available to fill main offices of the Institution. Furthermore, those few had much greater responsibilities than formerly, so had less time to devote to the Institution’s affairs. Perhaps this was reflected in the appointment as President for the 1925/26 Session, R. W. Reid who was the first president to represent the rolling stock side of railway activities (being carriage and wagon superintendent of the Midland Railway). [Note: R.W. Reid was the son of the better-known W.P. Reid, one-time Locomotive and Carriage Superintendent of the North British Railway.][6][37]
The Heyday of Steam
[edit]1927 saw Nigel Gresley, Chief Mechanical Engineer of the LNER, appointed president of the Institution. He was the first CME of the post-grouping railways to be so appointed. He was also the second, being reappointed seven years later in 1934. Thereafter the role was held by two other equally famous CMEs: William Stanier of the LMS in 1936 and 1938, and Oliver Bulleid who held the post through most of WW2.[31]
In addition to its 1911 outing to France, the Institution organised other visits to inspect railways overseas. A number of members, including Cecil J Allen and the then President, William Stanier visited Nazi Germany in 1936[38], and in 1958 a delegation visited Ireland to inspect Bulleid’s Turf Burner.[31]
The Post-War Years
[edit]Following nationalisation of the railways in 1948, the better-known presidents of the Institution included R.A. Riddles, British Railways (BR) Chief Mechanical and Electrical Engineer in 1950; R.C. Bond, BR Chief Officer (Locomotive Construction and Maintenance) in 1953, and E.S Cox, BR Executive Officer (Design) in 1957.[20]
Demise
[edit]The eradication of steam from British Railways in 1968 presaged the end of the Institution. Railway locomotive design departments and manufacturing facilities quickly disappeared from the responsibilities of individual or even national railway organisations, becoming instead the provenance of specialist private companies. In this changed world, there was no longer a role for locomotive engineers of the old order, nor a need for them to congregate and share information under the auspices of their own institution. As a consequence, in 1969, the Institution of Locomotive Engineers was integrated into the Institution of Mechanical Engineers as its Railway Division.[39]
The Last Paper presented to the Institution
[edit]The very last paper presented to the Institution – No 721, delivered in Manchester, England, in March 1969 – was presented by none other than Livio Dante Porta, who could claim to have been the last proponent of steam traction in commercial operation, and perhaps the last CME of a commercial railway operated by steam outside of China – namely the Rio Turbio Railway in Patagonia. His paper was titled “Steam locomotive development in Argentina — its contribution to the future of railway technology in the under-developed countries”.[40]
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