Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 Villejuif stabbing

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 01:32, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Villejuif stabbing

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Unremarkable crime, does not seem to have generated any lasting /ongoing attention. TheLongTone (talk) 12:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This was a mental health issue, not a terrorist attack. WWGB (talk) 12:33, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I don't understand why this article should be eliminated. It has been confirmed as a terrorist attack (read the Europol terrorism report released a couple of days ago). Then, even if it was not a terrorist attack, it is still a notable event. The article is full of details about the events. All the informations about the attack, the perpetrator and the investigation were added, like many more pages of attacks in and outside Europe. Wikipedia is full articles about attacks carried out both by terrorist and people with mental problems. So calling a deletion for this article just because "it was a mental health issue fact" (even if, again, this is not the case as a terrorist motive has been confirmed), doesen't make sense. Gianluigi02 (talk) 12:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:05, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:05, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:05, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. We do not compare articles to each other (WP:WHATABOUTX) and there is a notability guide for events at WP:EVENTCRITERIA. While the article has multiple, reliable references, it does not indicate how this event has a lasting effect. Almost all the references are within a week of each other and nothing else has emerged since. Notability has little to do with what caused the event, be it terrorism or mental health issues. From the notability guide, "Notable events usually receive coverage beyond a relatively short news cycle." Ifnord (talk) 17:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria for a notable event Dexxtrall (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:NEVENT, coverage was limited to a single news cycle. Devonian Wombat (talk) 06:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep:
- It is mentioned on page 44 in the 2021 TE SAT report (PDF) by Europol in June 2021, it passes the WP:GNG.
- This attack has also been widely reported in French-language media where it received national coverage. Using search terms in French like "villejuif attaque couteau" in Bing search engine yields 500 thousand search hits. Therefore the claims that the attack "did not receive coverage" are clearly false.
- The WP:GNG does not care whether the attack was motivated by mental illness or not.
The subject lives up to WP:SIGCOV for the aforementioned reasons, therefore the subjet can have a WP:STANDALONE article. A Thousand Words (talk) 08:48, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Checking the fr.WP version of this subject, there about 30 sources, a number of which are dated 2021, which indicates long-term coverage. Therefore this subject has general notability (WP:GNG) per WP:SIGCOV. A Thousand Words (talk) 06:54, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - As far as I can tell, not a single source on the current version of French article is from 2021. Two of them are consulté le 25 avril 2021, i.e. accessed in 2021, but the sources themselves are dated 2020. TompaDompa (talk) 07:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Indeed you are right, but the Europol source is from 2021 and Europol is, according to you, a very important and weighty source. A Thousand Words (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - The attack is also mentioned in this article from marianne.net, published in April 2021. This didn't take long to find and I haven't even started on the 500 thousand Bing search engine results. A Thousand Words (talk) 08:42, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - The TE-SAT (Europol's annual Terrorism Situation and Trend report, for those not familiar with it) is an ideal source for attributing "terrorism" WP:INTEXT (as mandated by MOS:LABEL) and contains useful information on and analysis of broader trends, but it is usually comparatively light on details and analysis of individual events. This is no exception.
        Likewise, the marianne.net article is about a completely different topic, namely whether there is a link between psychiatric issues and terrorism, and the only thing it has to say about this event is a single sentence: En 2020, Nathan Chiasson, auteur de l'attaque du parc départemental des Hautes-Bruyères à Villejuif avait été diagnostiqué schizophrène.
        I don't know that a brief mention as an example of a broader phenomenon constitutes WP:Significant coverage conferring notability and hence suitability for a stand-alone Wikipedia article for the individual event.
        The fact that you got half a million search results would seem to me to indicate a large number of duplicates and false positives, since it seems rather unlikely that (on average) roughly a thousand articles have been written in French about this event every day since it occurred.
        All in all, I find your arguments unpersuasive; there are some serious flaws, falsehoods, and exaggerations found within. TompaDompa (talk) 23:35, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article definitely meets the criteria for a valid wikipedia page. MountainJew6150 (talk) 17:55, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NEVENT. Slovenichibo (talk) 06:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Ifnord.4meter4 (talk) 05:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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